spindashing
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It's a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot.
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It's a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot.
Wrestling is simple as fuck WWE is just bad at booking.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
No question, but I simply take exception to the idea that "da smarks" were the only ones booing and hijacking. Maybe they were the genesis, but it caught on because Bryan was a beloved underdog (with EVERYONE who watches WWE regularly, not just smarks) getting shafted. That he may not have been the best business option long-term doesn't change the reality on the ground at the time.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
Intense ass morning with the same old Bryan/Batista discussion with no end in sight? Guys let's all share a laugh with this Booker T gif.
Also I'm hyped as shit for a possibility of transporting WWE 2k15 models into GTA V now that they're both on PC now.
Also I'm hyped as shit for a possibility of transporting WWE 2k15 models into GTA V now that they're both on PC now.
Serpentine
Banned
lmao, Batista
in 2015
Lol, huh. Could be pretty good though
in 2015
ah, here we go!OH BABY
WHAT?
Guess moose is going to the G1 lol
Lol, huh. Could be pretty good though
British Monsoon
Member
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, night 1 of Global Wars will be an iPPV!
http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/global-wars-night-1-be-broadcast-live-ippv
Yep, packed to the brim with smarks. Now, if only WWE could get those normal fans who go to house shows and lose their shit over Roman Reigns to buy tickets for PPVs, then there wouldn't even be a problem!
http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/global-wars-night-1-be-broadcast-live-ippv
Yep, packed to the brim with smarks. Now, if only WWE could get those normal fans who go to house shows and lose their shit over Roman Reigns to buy tickets for PPVs, then there wouldn't even be a problem!
I want to watch it but it's probably again in the middle of the night.
As someone who only picked up wrestling at the beginning of last year, the only thing I saw in Batista was a guy who was too old, too slow, and who lacked a certain spark. He did eventually get his feet back under him, and I was actually starting to like him by the time Wrestlemania came around. But that doesn't mean fans didn't have every reason to reject him at the time... especially since many of them, like me, didn't have the nostalgia of his better days.
Fans want what they want. It's silly to suggest they're the ones at fault.
Fans want what they want. It's silly to suggest they're the ones at fault.
British Monsoon
Member
00:30 in the UK, 01:30 for Euro land. Not too bad, especially for a Friday night.
Batista was a heel by then and it was correct for the purposes of the story being told for fans to boo him.
Smarks were the ones booing Batista at the beginning, when he was a face, because he wasn't Daniel Bryan.
FallingEdge
Member
saving the good stuff for Canada.
Apparently the Raws up until Batista officially turned heel were smark loaded as well.
Problem is, heel champions that win end up being cheered by the crowd. Even Mark Henry during his Hall of Pain era was getting cheered after he beat up Jim Ross. Fans cheer winners, regardless of how they win (heel or not). Lesnar is an example of that as well - the dude beat the Streak and still got cheered w/in 6 months. Its why Reigns would rock as a heel - make him that dominant but a heel, and he ends up getting massive cheers within a year.
The entire "crowd dictating what WWE does" is a double edged sword. I actually think they should have gone forward with Reigns winning the belt if it was solely the ardent fans who were booing him; the precedent set by Bryan is good on an occasional basis - but not a consistent basis. Also, as the recent events have shown, WWE was correct to not bank on Bryan for a second WM - something that I've not seen admitted by many in this thread who have been crapping on Reigns and WWE. Now, if Reigns wasn't ready in terms of ring rust / decided a slower burn made sense / Lesnar was re-upping and going to be a mega babyface; in that context Rollins cashing in makes all the sense in the world.
Shows that end up catering heavily to their ardent fans usually end up dying out fairly quickly there after. Fans are your core consumer, sure, but they also are prone to being short sighted and not having the long-term interest of your product in mind (they can always become fans of new things, after all). Think of how many TV shows went too far towards fan service and ended up having those very fans they were serving change their mind.
Staying up for longer than 2-3 AM is really hard for me. I usually fall asleep if I watch just by myself.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
Garbage. Bryan was hot with EVERYONE. Every crowd, every show.
I don't understand what this post has to do with what I said.
British Monsoon
Member
This just shows that the "cheering Cena = mark town" fallacy works both ways. There are no mark/smark audiences or towns, just people paying money to see wrestling shows, cheering the wrestlers they like and booing the ones they don't. Fuck all this hive mind nonsense.
slightconfuse
Banned
Love the idea that a cabal of "Smarks" attend tv tapings while the regular folk attend house shows.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
Then you should ask yourself this, does everything have to be black or white in wrestling? How about two people regardless of alignment become the best of what they can become by winning matches and getting over even if you're a heel or not. Is it cause it's not the "proper" way to book things?
And to hop on this Dave discussion; wasn't it Dave himself saying he didn't like the direction the story was going but did not give a fuck? Cause what was he gonna do? Say no? I wouldn't.
FallingEdge
Member
me too, this seems hilarious to me.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Heels need to do more despicable heinous shit
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
More things like Rollins threatening to kill Edge pls
Marvel
could never
Shoving over El Torito is all you're gonna get.
Certainly seems to be the narrative WWE is running with.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
No threatening. He should've done the stomp
Man awful shit used to happen to Jake the Snake Roberts. They blinded him. They killed his god damn snake.
The ambrose/harper fued would mean something if ambrose pretended to be paralyzed for a few weeks.
I doubt we're going to see stuff like that in WWE much anymore. Not in a post-Benoit world.
British Monsoon
Member
This. People blame Heyman for not doing enough with Cesaro, when the reality was they were presenting Cesaro as a heel but having him do almost nothing heelish. He was arrogant. That was it. Seems WWE struggle to book anything but the cowardly heel.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
I miss the stomp already.
slightconfuse
Banned
Lol this is rusev to a T. Only heel thing he has done was have Lana kick cena in the nuts
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Deleted member 47027
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By then Batista was a full blown heel, that wasn't a bunch of smarks.
This is great news and I forgive you. Harrumph!
I agree. I want more heinous acts.
FallingEdge
Member
Heyman and Cesaro should have been so much more. Nothing wrong with him going heel. Could have even been a Lesnar lite if you will. They just fucked up his push so damn hard.
Rollins almost killing edge was pretty bad.
D
Deleted member 47027
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Maybe it's just me but if you strip away patriotism (from both sides) Rusev has just done a kick in the ding-ding and that's it. Other than that, he's a really inspirational, feel-good story.
Keep in mind I haven't watched WWE after Mania really, so I have no idea how they handled him post-loss.
Keep in mind I haven't watched WWE after Mania really, so I have no idea how they handled him post-loss.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Because it wasn't just smarks booing Batista in favor of Bryan. It was like 90% of the entire crowd.
Marvel
could never
But he never got to do it though. That pesky Felix put a stop to it.
Cena has done more despicable heel things than Rusev has during their feud.
FlammableD
Banned
To be fair he was about to before he got rushed (by I forget who)
lovely ladies
Member
They probably intended Jericho's alcoholism stuff to CM Punk to be heinous although it turned out to be more laughable than anything. Didn't he slip on the floor when he smashed Punk's head with the bottle lol?
Sibersk Esto
Banned
When you establish a limit on your bad guys, your good guys look boring because they aren't overcoming anything.
More grave descrations, more animal murder, chair shots to actresses playing the wrestler's wives.
Wrestling is fake; take advantage of it
More grave descrations, more animal murder, chair shots to actresses playing the wrestler's wives.
Wrestling is fake; take advantage of it
Marvel
could never
Yeah he did slip lol. God that whole feud was awkward as fuck.
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Deleted member 47027
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I mean, this isn't new. There was a breakdown a couple years ago about how heelish Hogan was in his feud with the Iron Sheik. I want to find it, because it really is a good read and a reminder than we need to stop applying logic to what faces and heels do.
I find the really excellent feuds are ones that give the babyface a hell of a lot of shit, then empower him briefly. One chairshot from a good ol' boy and it feels so satisfying to their fans to finally stick it to the villains the same way they stuck it to the babyface, but you have to temper it and take your time.
https://doublecakes.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/hulk-hogan-has-always-been-a-heel/
This isn't the article I was thinking of, but it's a decent indictment of Hogan's face tactics and not a bad read. Ignore the Belzer shit though, that dude deserved to get choked out.
FlammableD
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Dr Duncan Steel
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Renee Young is in 2K16 apparently. I don't know how but yeah it seems like it according to her Instantagramgram account. Wonder how she'll be utilized considering her role as a backstage interviewer. Create a Storyline stuff? I'm giving the devs too much credit.