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April Wrasslin' |OT| The Spirit of the Ultimate Warrior Will Run Forever!
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ViewtifulJC
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Stro been racist for years. I have it on good authority it was his idea to come up with the "black people can't be champion" feud for Booker T and HHH. He cheered loudly when Triple H won SUPER DECISIVELY.
Wrestlemania did that, so they're probably hoping word of mouth spread that it coped.
JesseEwiak
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Stat after stat has showed the mainstream audience in America doesn't really care about matches, they care about stars and for the most part, you can't build stars through good matches.
The Incarnation
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It's time to juice up.
serenewarfare
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The only thing I dislike about the Network is that there is seemingly no rhyme or reason to what goes up and when. Sometimes we get old Raws, sometimes old SD, a house show, LoW, etc. It'd be nice to have a schedule of when stuff gets added.
I wouldn't expect Jarrett to pick up Hulk Hogan and John Cena from the indies.
sf2fanatic
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Different subject. A Denise Austin fan back in the day?
JesseEwiak
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Yeah, but you aren't going to create stars with indy wrestlers through 5 star matches. Punk, Bryan, Cesaro, and the like didn't become stars in the WWE through having awesome matches. It came from having a character people liked, along with being a good wrestler. The Shield were over as a near main event act before they wrestled a single match.
The focus for a wrestling company should be finding charismatic people who can be decent wrestlers, not finding awesome wrestlers who aren't only quasi-charismatic (hello, Dean Malenko).
ViewtifulJC
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Having zero charisma worked out pretty well for that Bret Hart guy
serenewarfare
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Disagree. Guys can get over either way. There are many examples of both kinds of guy getting over big. It doesn't have to be one or the other. You can have guys who can wrestle amazingly but can't really talk while also having guys who are the opposite.
That's not how charisma works. You don't get popular because people around you are popular.
JesseEwiak
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Hart had plenty of charisma. But, he was also about the 5th choice of Vince's and one of the worst drawing WWF champions of all-time and is a total failure, if you look at say, a "bad" wrestler like Cena or Batista.
Actually, no. Evidence shows the only way people can be truly transcendent stars that draw money is being charismatic. If Bryan never would've gotten the 'Yes' character, he likely would've stayed in the Jericho role.
Hart's a lot like Bryan. Amazing in ring worker, decent (maybe slightly under rated) mic skills.
He didn't have ZERO charisma. He also had a pretty damn good look as well.
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Deleted member 47027
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Oh heck yes.
ViewtifulJC
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Bret Hart's book had a system, 1) physical presence/look, 2) in-ring ability, and 3)talking/selling/promoting yourself. He said if you rank guys from 1-10, guys in the high twenties usually turn out to be great wrestlers, while shitty guys (he specifically calls out Dino Bravo) don't have many. He gives himself in the early 90s a pretty fair score: 7 Look (he had a good physique and was in shape, though I'd argue this might be too low), 10 Skill & 4 Charisma, adding up to a 21. Hulk Hogan scored a little better, being 10 Look, 3 Skill and 10 Charisma (if I recall correctly).
I thought they was ok. I mean, you got Dusty Rhodes who never looked great, but that mothafucka oozed charisma and had enough skill to get by. Peak-Kurt Angle in early 2000s or prime-Randy Savage was like the total package. You can alter looks and skills, but you can't teach charisma.
I thought they was ok. I mean, you got Dusty Rhodes who never looked great, but that mothafucka oozed charisma and had enough skill to get by. Peak-Kurt Angle in early 2000s or prime-Randy Savage was like the total package. You can alter looks and skills, but you can't teach charisma.
Bret Hart wasn't a bad promo guy. He would have been bad if he was sent out to do 20 minute monologues, but he wasn't. He did short, to the point promos and they were enjoyable. His rap of having terrible promo skills always seemed like he was being compared to Hogan/Savage/Warrior insanity, when he wasn't doing those kind of promos.
His promos were more "I'm going to beat you. This is how I'm going to beat you. This is why I'm going to beat you." Just a normal dude giving a promo instead of coke/steroid monster in a manic rage.
His promos were more "I'm going to beat you. This is how I'm going to beat you. This is why I'm going to beat you." Just a normal dude giving a promo instead of coke/steroid monster in a manic rage.
Cool intro, cool outfit, great wrestler, decent mic skills. He had enough.
JesseEwiak
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I basically agree with it, except it's be a 1-10 skill for 1) and 3) and a 5 point scale for skill, since that's actually the least needed part of the equation.
Oh, and the WWE number for WM is a massive success. Most people, including Meltzer were assuming 150,000-250,000 traditional PPV buys for WM domestically. 400,000+600,000 for the network is a gigantic number.
slightconfuse
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Punk never struck me as a guy with cable , let alone a HBO subscription
BronsonLee
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...wait what happened there
Oh and Bret had loads of charisma, just physical charisma. The same kind Bryan has, really.
The Bellas clearly get off on that.
And the original point of the guy you quoted first was that he didn't want to see terrible backstage segments instead of good wrestling matches. Doing good backstage segments requires charisma. What are you arguing except "you guys are idiots"?
BronsonLee
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So the guy who wrote/sang WORLD GOES WILD wants WWE to use it now:
https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanLitrownik
Methinks he balked at first until he realized how much money he could make off of it, and/or get a Mania gig out of it
https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanLitrownik
Methinks he balked at first until he realized how much money he could make off of it, and/or get a Mania gig out of it
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Deleted member 47027
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So the guy who wrote/sang WORLD GOES WILD wants WWE to use it now:
https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanLitrownik
Methinks he balked at first until he realized how much money he could make off of it, and/or get a Mania gig out of it
lel dipshittery.
Serpentine
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I don't care how much money he wants, give it to the man. It's the only way I'll be able to fully get behind Adam RoseSo the guy who wrote/sang WORLD GOES WILD wants WWE to use it now:
https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanLitrownik
Methinks he balked at first until he realized how much money he could make off of it, and/or get a Mania gig out of it
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Deleted member 47027
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They're great. Vader is a monster heel, looks the part and plays the part. Sting has to use hard work and brains to overcome. That's as complex as it is and that's as complex as it needed to be. Wonderful feud, it captured me for a whole summer when I was a Little Stinger.
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Deleted member 47027
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Play Othello with pals.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Daniel Bryan is a star. Vince realized that with the aid lf Trips. Just wait for dat World Goes Wild bump and #allpaleeverything
It's a lot better than Hogan/Vader but I guess the comparison isn't fair with where the guys are in their careers in their respective match.
Liquidsnake
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Man Piage is beautiful
Might be too little too late.So the guy who wrote/sang WORLD GOES WILD wants WWE to use it now:
https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanLitrownik
Methinks he balked at first until he realized how much money he could make off of it, and/or get a Mania gig out of it
It seemed odd to me that he wasn't cool with it in the first place. I thought there may be some stigma where people who get noticed that way don't find mainstream success. But Mark Crozer just performed in a stadium with nearly 80,000 people with likely 750k-1mil people watching on TV and on stream and completely nailed the performance. Tough to beat that if no one knows your name.
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Deleted member 47027
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Hands down better. Sting was PERFECT through it all and so was Vader. I was legit shook as a babby when Vader did a moonsault. I couldn't believe it!
I'm thinking the Sting deal is going to fall through. Everything I've read said that he had his heart set on having Taker retire him. If the Streak is dead, a Sting/Taker match loses any last relevance it possibly had plus Taker's probably done.
What these guys said.
Big picture, I think Bret Hart is one of the more under rated/appreciated main event performers.
What these guys said.
Big picture, I think Bret Hart is one of the more under rated/appreciated main event performers.
She's nice. Good to see WWE trying something different.
FallingEdge
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Rafa=FedKilla
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Liquidsnake
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She is my type of girl.
Daniel Bryan not on RAW effect, IMO. Also, Ultimate Warrior's death and the potential debut of Sting.
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