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http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_9.html

The new leader of the ruling Fatah movement said the Palestinians want to replace Israel with a state of their own.

Fatah chief Farouk Khaddoumi said the Palestinian strategy toward Israel was two-fold. In the first stage, he said, the Palestinians would accept a Palestinian state alongside Israel. In the second stage, the Palestinians would seek to eliminate the Jewish state.

In November, Khaddoumi replaced the late Yasser Arafat as leader of Fatah, Middle East Newsline reported.

"At this stage there will be two states," Khaddoumi told Iran's Al Aram television. "Many years from now, there will be only one."

Khaddoumi, who regards himself as Palestinian foreign minister, said he was confident that Israel would be eliminated. He said he always opposed Israel's existence and cited the Arab numerical superiority over the Jewish state.

"[There are] 300 million Arabs, while Israel has only the sea behind it," Khaddoumi said.

Khaddoumi said his platform was endorsed by the PLO in 1974. He said the strategy called for a phased plan that would establish authority over any territory obtained from Israel, concluding with an Arab war to destroy the Jewish state.

[On Thursday, the Palestinian Authority launched the first municipal elections in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in more than 25 years. The PA has been promising such elections since 1996.]

The Fatah chief played down the powers of PA ministers. Khaddoumi said the Fatah Central Committee marked the source of authority for the PA and Cabinet.

"The Palestinian Authority is a partial authority," Khaddoumi said. "It is a local government, just like any local government in any country. We shouldn't delude ourselves that these 'ministers' are actually ministers." [On Thursday, Palestinian gunners fired 30 mortar rounds into the Gush Katif community in the central Gaza Strip. The attack was launched from the Khan Yunis refugee camp hours after Israeli forces left the area.]

 

[Socreges]

Awwww fuck.

 

[Deku Tree]

Why is peaceful co-existence not an option?

 

[AlphaSnake]

"[There are] 300 million Arabs, while Israel has only the sea behind it," Khaddoumi said.

Hahahaha. Egypt said the same thing 20 years ago. How long did that war last? :lol A WHOPPING TOTAL OF 6 DAYS!

 

[boredJonathan]

This guy really isn't Arafat's successor though. He took over the terrorist movement that used to be associated with Arafat, if I have my facts straight, but he was not elected or in any way given some kind of mandate by the Palestinian people.

 

[Socreges]

Red Mercury, you're right, but having a person like this with any sort of power is going to be incredibly disruptive.

Why is peaceful co-existence not an option?

I suppose they don't think that's fair. Britain colonized Palestine and plunked a whole nother fucking country in their midst. If that wasn't bad enough, Israel resorted to terrorism when Britain tried to prevent them from expanding, and were about to establish an independent Palestine. Inevitably, Israel succeeded and then continued to capture the large majority of the region. They are pissed.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Jews were pissed before Palestinians. It was Israel long before it was Palestine.

 

[Socreges]

Jews were long pissed before Palestinians. It was Israel long before it was Palestine.

Yeah, the Palestinians should really be more sympathetic to the fact that thousands of years ago Jews were uprooted form the land by a completely different people.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

Yeah, the Palestinians should really be more sympathetic to the fact that thousands of years ago Jews were uprooted form the land by a completely different people.

I don't care if they're sympathetic, they should just leave Israel the fuck alone.
They're not going to get it back, and they don't deserve to, making idiotic comments (in addition to idiotic actions) is only going to hurt their cause in the long run.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

Well to cause a dramatic cataclism in the middle east,16 Nukes are enough,Israel has rougly over 100,15-20 stationed on Submarines and more in deep underground silos.

All out war isnt really a viable option for Arabs now,they can still sting by supporting Terrorists though.

 

[Socreges]

I don't care if they're sympathetic, they should just leave Israel the fuck alone.
They're not going to get it back, and they don't deserve to, making idiotic comments (in addition to idiotic actions) is only going to hurt their cause in the long run.

So? I don't disagree with you. I was just replying to AlphaSnake, who was replying to me. My point stands, in that context. I'm not trying to suggest that Palestine should continue fighting what realistically can't be changed.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Arab nations are far too chicken shit to do anything to Israel. 20 some years ago Israel laid Egypt flat down on the ground in 6 days! And Egypts army was like 3 times larger. Some weapons advancement has been made and Israel's army is even stronger than it was then. Sure they have 300 million people, but how many of them are willing to fight? A number of my cousins came from the Israeli army, one of which who lives with me, and they're all incredibly powerful people, even though they don't look it. Seriously, they train their men into ass-kicking machines -- you guys should see the type of Jet Li shit my cousins can do, it's awesome.

I don't even know what the point of this reply is. Just pointing out the kick ass discipline of their Army. *shrug*

 

[belgurdo]

"[There are] 300 million Arabs, while Israel has only the sea behind it," Khaddoumi said.

"Not when we're done"

 

[Socreges]

I don't even know what the point of this reply is. Just pointing out the kick ass discipline of their Army. *shrug*

If only they were disciplined enough to not arbitrarily kill Palestinian civilians!

"Not when we're done"

:lol

 

[AlphaSnake]

If only they were disciplined enough to not arbitrarily kill Palestinian civilians!

You can't be perfect. Compare the amount of innocent people the US troops have killed in Iraq to the amount of innocent people Israeli troops have. And hey, for clarification, a lot of times the whole "innocent civilian" thing is a media-spin. It's bullshit, take it from people who are on the field. Yes, there are a number of morons in the army (like that one guy who repeatedly shot a Palestinian girl in the head...fucking sick) but a lot of the other supposed "innocent" would hurl rocks at the troops, metal pipes, glass bottles/jars and etc.

 

[Azih]

I have no problem with the idea that Israel should be left the fuck alone. I have no problem with the IDF either. What I have a problem with is Jewish settlers and the fact that the IDF has to act as an occupying force and not a defensive one to keep their religious extremist zealot asses safe.

 

[Socreges]

You can't be perfect. Compare the amount of innocent people the US troops have killed in Iraq to the amount of innocent people Israeli troops have. And hey, for clarification, a lot of times the whole "innocent civilian" thing is a media-spin. It's bullshit, take it from people who are on the field. Yes, there are a number of morons in the army (like that one guy who repeatedly shot a Palestinian girl in the head...fucking sick) but a lot of the other supposed "innocent" would hurl rocks at the troops, metal pipes, glass bottles/jars and etc.

Hey, I'm just responding to the supposed "kick ass discipline", which obviously doesn't take into account that the Israeli army is reputably/historically less considerate than any other Western army.

You can't be perfect. Compare the amount of innocent people the US troops have killed in Iraq to the amount of innocent people Israeli troops have.

Why would I do that? The scope/circumstance is completely different.

Yes, there are a number of morons in the army (like that one guy who repeatedly shot a Palestinian girl in the head...fucking sick) but a lot of the other supposed "innocent" would hurl rocks at the troops, metal pipes, glass bottles/jars and etc.

Wait, are you justifying killing civilians in that they throw rocks (etc) at the forces?? Because it sure looks like it!

 

[AlphaSnake]

Wait, are you justifying killing civilians in that they throw rocks (etc) at the forces?? Because it sure looks like it!

You may think you're pulling a spin on me, but I actually am. If you had people throwing rocks at you, you'd shoot as well. I'm not talking about pebbles; you have to understand what kind of damage is there. All of that debris; the rocks they throw are big and heavy. And the glass? Metal pipes? If you let them throw that shit at you and claim you won't do a thing about it, you're fooling yourself. You'd damn well take that guy and put a bullett in his leg to stop him. And if he persists? You kill him, it's advised. They try to get closer and closer as they throw rocks, and if he is, then he may potentially be suited with a bomb. They try to get close to the troops and set their bombs off -- the troops can't take a risk like that.

Do you have ANY idea how many suicide bombers they've picked off that the media never reports on? On a daily basis, the army prevents at least 15 suicide bombings.

 

[Azih]

Yeah I'm not going to duck behind the big ass TANK I'm standing next to. And fuck the kevlar vest I'm wearing and the riot shield I'm carrying THOSE ROCKS ARE BIG.

The IDF shouldn't be protecting the god damn fucking bitch settlers in the first place. You know those scary metal pipes being thrown at the IDF? They're being chucked at em when they're in FREAKING PALESTINE, not Israel.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Yeah I'm not going to duck behind the big ass TANK I'm standing next to. And fuck the kevlar vest I'm wearing and the riot shield I'm carrying THOSE ROCKS ARE BIG.

The IDF shouldn't be protecting the god damn fucking bitch settlers in the first place. You know those scary metal pipes being thrown at the IDF? They're being chucked at em when they're in FREAKING PALESTINE, not Israel.

Look, read the rest of my post first. They're not killing them because of rocks. And not all sentries are positioned with a tank; but thanks for playing. And hell, even if they did have a tank, how exactly can you hide 50 people behind a tank? Nevermind the fact that the BOMBER CAN RUN AROUND THE DAMN THING! But I guess we're not going to talk about this stuff from a logical point of view. You have a threat coming your way. You don't think twice about your actions; you act. You pull the trigger and lay the fucker out. If he refuses to stop after a bullet smacks him in the leg or arm, then I guess he just doesn't give enough of a fuck to live.

 

[Socreges]

You may think you're pulling a spin on me, but I actually am. If you had people throwing rocks at you, you'd shoot as well. I'm not talking about pebbles; you have to understand what kind of damage is there. All of that debris; the rocks they throw are big and heavy. And the glass? Metal pipes? If you let them throw that shit at you and claim you won't do a thing about it, you're fooling yourself. You'd damn well take that guy and put a bullett in his leg to stop him. And if he persists? You kill him, it's advised. They try to get closer and closer as they throw rocks, and if he is, then he may potentially be suited with a bomb. They try to get close to the troops and set their bombs off -- the troops can't take a risk like that.

Do you have ANY idea how many suicide bombers they've picked off that the media never reports on? On a daily basis, the army prevents at least 15 suicide bombings.

You are CRACKED. First off,

"Yeah I'm not going to duck behind the big ass TANK I'm standing next to. And fuck the kevlar vest I'm wearing and the riot shield I'm carrying THOSE ROCKS ARE BIG."

Secondly, how did we get from throwing rocks to suicide bombing? That's completely different. If they fear that a particular person is going to blow them up (then why would they throw rocks first -- how does that make any sense??), then of course they should shoot them. But rocks or even pipes? No, that is in no way just cause to shoot an otherwise harmless civilian.

Look, read the rest of my post first. They're not killing them because of rocks. And not all sentries are positioned with a tank; but thanks for playing. And hell, even if they did have a tank, how exactly can you hide 50 people behind a tank? Nevermind the fact that the BOMBER CAN RUN AROUND THE DAMN THING! But I guess we're not going to talk about this stuff from a logical point of view. You have a threat coming your way. You don't think twice about your actions; you act. You pull the trigger and lay the fucker out. If he refuses to stop after a bullet smacks him in the leg or arm, then I guess he just doesn't give enough of a fuck to live.

Holy shit. Stay consistent or shut the fuck up. You said:

"but a lot of the other supposed "innocent" would hurl rocks at the troops, metal pipes, glass bottles/jars and etc."

but only NOW you're talking about suicide bombers, which is of course not even remotely the same problem.

 

[Mejilan]

I'm not familiar with that source. Is this a real article, as in not a joke The Onion-style?

"Elected" Fatah leader or not, that's a stupid f-cking thing to say to the press. Yeeesh.

 

[AlphaSnake]

You are CRACKED. First off,

"Yeah I'm not going to duck behind the big ass TANK I'm standing next to. And fuck the kevlar vest I'm wearing and the riot shield I'm carrying THOSE ROCKS ARE BIG."

Secondly, how did we get from throwing rocks to suicide bombing? That's completely different. If they fear that a particular person is going to blow them up (then why would they throw rocks first -- how does that make any sense??), then of course they should shoot them. But rocks or even pipes? No, that is in no way just cause to shoot an otherwise harmless civilian.


Holy shit. Stay consistent or shut the fuck up. You said:

"but a lot of the other supposed "innocent" would hurl rocks at the troops, metal pipes, glass bottles/jars and etc."

but only NOW you're talking about suicide bombers, which is of course not even remotely the same problem.

Uhh, ok. First off, maintain your composure. You're getting worked up and I have no idea why.

My initial point stands. And I was only adding to it that in some cases those rock throwing folk have another agenda.

f they fear that a particular person is going to blow them up (then why would they throw rocks first -- how does that make any sense??)

Because as they're throwing a bunch of rocks or glass bottles, they slowly try to get closer to the position of the sentry. And when they do, they get shot at. And why do they get shot at? Because they are assumed to be bombers -- and that led me into talking about something else. Yeah, I digressed, but my main point was made. My cousins have had glass bottles thrown at them and have the scars on their faces to prove it. They've had glass bottles full of powdery substances thrown at them. So what did they do? Shot the guy who threw it.

A typical rock thrower usually just gets a warning shot near him and they end up running away.

A rock thrower who refuses to leave and tries to get closer will be shot at.

Same goes for someone throwing metal pipes and especially glass throwers who fill the bottles with powdered substances.

 

[Socreges]

Uhh, ok. First off, maintain your composure. You're getting worked up and I have no idea why.

Like you here, sometimes people get frustrated with another person's stupidity and break out the "fucks" and "shits" to express that.

My initial point stands. And I was only adding to it that in some cases those rock throwing folk have another agenda.

Because as they're throwing a bunch of rocks or glass bottles, they slowly try to get closer to the position of the sentry. And when they do, they get shot at. And why do they get shot at? Because they are assumed to be bombers -- and that led me into talking about something else. Yeah, I digressed, but my main point was made. My cousins have had glass bottles thrown at them and have the scars on their faces to prove it. They've had glass bottles full of powdery substances thrown at them. So what did they do? Shot the guy who threw it.

A typical rock thrower usually just gets a warning shot near him and they end up running away.

A rock thrower who refuses to leave and tries to get closer will be shot at.

Same goes for someone throwing metal pipes and especially glass throwers who fill the bottles with powdered substances.

Warning shots are certainly acceptable. Or even a shot in a limb, when necessary. But we haven't been talking about that. We're talking about death, which should only be a recourse if they feel their lives are in imminent danger and alternatives have been exhausted. If you're suggesting that these instances of 'innocent civilians' are more often than not:

"If he refuses to stop after a bullet smacks him in the leg or arm, then I guess he just doesn't give enough of a fuck to live."

Then you are wrong.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I suppose they don't think that's fair. Britain colonized Palestine and plunked a whole nother fucking country in their midst.

israel wasnt the only country created.. in fact.. they should be more pissed off at the jordan government... wasnt that supposed to be palestine originally??

 

[Stele]

Arab nations are far too chicken shit to do anything to Israel. 20 some years ago Israel laid Egypt flat down on the ground in 6 days! And Egypts army was like 3 times larger. Some weapons advancement has been made and Israel's army is even stronger than it was then.

Without the American sugar daddy, Israel would be nothing. And remember, this is an attritional conflict that will last for generations more, so I really don't see Israel winning out in the end. Jewish numbers are dwindling worldwide, and in several hundred years, I could see them wiped out completely.

 

[Fresh Prince]

To sidetrack a little bit.. why would someone want to live in a settlement? I am for the nation of Isreal but to live in a settlement is just rubbing salt in the wound isn't?
Also another thing it seems (perhaps ignorant on my part) that most of the people who do throw rocks are young boys... personally I couldn't see police shooting a couple of teenagers for throwing rocks at trams (here in Australia) btw those rocks have nearly killed people.

 

[Firest0rm]

The whole Israel Vs Arabs thing is used by Arab governments to preoccupy the populations. Its very effective too. Let them not worry about their problems in their own countries, especially with the corruption within all the governments. Instead they'll be concentrating on the struggle with Israel. Its unbelievable how much news in inflated in Arab countries. Most of the time the news people hear there has been twisted 10 times.

 

[Particle Physicist]

To sidetrack a little bit.. why would someone want to live in a settlement? I am for the nation of Isreal but to live in a settlement is just rubbing salt in the wound isn't?
Also another thing it seems (perhaps ignorant on my part) that most of the people who do throw rocks are young boys... personally I couldn't see police shooting a couple of teenagers for throwing rocks at trams (here in Australia) btw those rocks have nearly killed people.

well. sometimes its just people throwing rocks.. sometimes its people throwing rocks.. with others shooting from behind the,.. and then you mix two groups of people that have despised each other since birth.. and you aint got a good mix.. this shit wont end until both cultures stop teaching their young to hate each other..

 

[Fresh Prince]

well. sometimes its just people throwing rocks.. sometimes its people throwing rocks.. with others shooting from behind the,.. and then you mix two groups of people that have despised each other since birth.. and you aint got a good mix.. this shit wont end until both cultures stop teaching their young to hate each other..

I (well...kind of.. ) understand what you're saying but my problem is this after all these are children\teenagers- regardless of circumstance (throwing rocks, bottles etc not approaching a guard post- but this doesn't really sit with me either) I do not think they need to get shot (to be miamed or killed).

Another point- Firest0rm what you said could be related to most countries in the world anyway.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Like you here, sometimes people get frustrated with another person's stupidity and break out the "fucks" and "shits" to express that.


Warning shots are certainly acceptable. Or even a shot in a limb, when necessary. But we haven't been talking about that. We're talking about death, which should only be a recourse if they feel their lives are in imminent danger and alternatives have been exhausted. If you're suggesting that these instances of 'innocent civilians' are more often than not:

"If he refuses to stop after a bullet smacks him in the leg or arm, then I guess he just doesn't give enough of a fuck to live."

Then you are wrong.

Difference is, I didn't start with the guy. He started with me. I didn't start with you, you started with me. And I haven't said anything remotely stupid. It's just that we don't meet eye to eye with our thoughts and that somehow makes an ass. I should've remembered that it was pointless arguing with you.

 

[Firest0rm]

I (well...kind of.. ) understand what you're saying but my problem is this after all these are children\teenagers- regardless of circumstance (throwing rocks, bottles etc not approaching a guard post- but this doesn't really sit with me either) I do not think they need to get shot (to be miamed or killed).

Another point- Firest0rm what you said could be related to most countries in the world anyway.

Yea I know, its what pisses me off in this world. Media controls too much, there has to be a way to break its control. Hopefully.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Yea I know, its what pisses me off in this world. Media controls too much, there has to be a way to break its control. Hopefully.

Unfortunately ignorance pays well.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Red Mercury, you're right, but having a person like this with any sort of power is going to be incredibly disruptive.


I suppose they don't think that's fair. Britain colonized Palestine and plunked a whole nother fucking country in their midst. If that wasn't bad enough, Israel resorted to terrorism when Britain tried to prevent them from expanding, and were about to establish an independent Palestine. Inevitably, Israel succeeded and then continued to capture the large majority of the region. They are pissed.

Wait wait wait, that is NOT how it happened. There have been terroristic activities done by Israel, before, however, such as the 1948 massacre in the Arab village of Deir Yasin by pre-state militias, the 1954 Lavon affair, an Israeli covert attempt to subvert relations between Egypt and the West, and Baruch Goldstein's 1994 massacre of Arabs in Hebron. But Israel DID NOT USE TERRORISM to take over Palestine.

Britain, and the UN, were to split the british colony of Palestine into two states: Palestine, and Israel

May 14th, 1948: Israel declares itself a nation. (The Palestinians refuse to accept the partition plan proposed by the UN because they want ALL of the british colony to be palestine, and NONE of it to be Israel. So the formation of Palestine, I guess you can say, was "still pending" since the palestinians rejected the plan)

Around the middle to the late part of the day, Egypt, Trans-Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen all declared war on Israel.

The remainder of the original British colony that was to become the new Palestinian State was swallowed up by Trans-Jordan and Egypt. Egypt took over the Gaza Strip, and Trans-Jordan took over the West Bank. Since Trans-Jordan extended its reach beyond the Jordan River, at this time, it became known as just "Jordan".

Now, let's talk about how Israel got this land, according to Unitedjerusalem.com, since I don't feel like typing up a whole damn history.
"Throughout much of May 1967, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian armies mobilized along Israel's seemingly indefensible, narrow borders in preparation for a massive invasion to eliminate the State of Israel. The battle cry heard throughout the Arab world was then, as it continues to be... "Slaughter the Jews" and "Throw the Jews into the sea!" But the Jews of Israel, remembering 2,000 years of being butchered, gassed, burned and skinned (eg. The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, the Arab rampages of early Palestine and particularly The Holocaust), planned and executed perfectly a pre-emptive strike against Egypt. Within two hours the Egyptian Air Force did not exist... most of its planes destroyed while still on the runways! (Good news for its pilots who



would have otherwise lost their lives!) And, unaware that the Egyptians had no more air force, King Hussein of Jordan launched his attack into Israel's belly while Syrian troops descended down the Golan Heights mountain range into northern Israel.




After ONLY six days of armored, air, sea and hand-to-hand warfare, Israel defeated all three Arab armies along three separate fronts and took control of the entire Sinai Desert from Egypt, the Golan Heights from Syria and the West Bank from Jordan. The God of Israel was surely watching over his children! Most importantly was the return to Israel of its holy 3,000 year old Jerusalem along the western edge of the West Bank... the same Jerusalem from which all Jews had been denied access for 19 years since Jordan seized it during the First Arab-Israeli War of 1948-9.



Unfortunately, Israel was now an "occupier" of 850,000 Palestinian Arabs from both the West Bank and Gaza Strip. These Arabs would refer to themselves as "refugees" and join the masses of refugees from the previous war of 1948-9. Once again we see Palestinian Arabs becoming refugees not by the actions of their enemies, but by THEIR OWN actions or the actions of their leaders!

Israel also was responsible for bringing about some of its own problems. The Arabs in the West Bank were packed and ready to leave when General Moshe Dayan persuaded them to stay. This singular act stunned no one more than the Arab enemy who could not believe that manifestation of Jewish madness! After all, the Arabs knew what THEY would have done to the Jews if THEY had won! However, Israel educated them and tried to live amongst them in hopes of building a bridge to the Arab world. Israel is now paying dearly for this "Leftist" gesture... this pathetic Jewish guilt for being a fighter and winner! That "bridge" led to the Intifada and world-wide Palestinian terrorism. From a frightened and defeated enemy, they turned into a confident, hateful and dangerous enemy now on their way toward forming a terrorist state determined to destroy Israel!




Usually when one side starts a war and loses both the war AND some territory, no one on the planet would expect the winner to give back anything! This not only sounds preposterous, it is preposterous! But the Jews (I hate to admit) have this insane obsession of wanting the world to love them and therefore were willing to give back the entire Sinai (oil fields, air bases and all) to Egypt for a piece of paper... the Camp David Accords signed in 1978. Thus in 1982 Egypt regained their Sinai (although they did not want Gaza which was filled with 800,000 fanatical Palestinian Arabs) and Israel lost a massive buffer against any future Egyptian aggression!



Israel still maintains occupation over Syria's Golan Heights which had been used solely for terrorist incursions and artillery bombardment of Israel's northern settlements. It should never be given back to Israel's most vicious enemy! And of course, Israel still occupies the West Bank with it's ONE MILLION Palestinian Arabs. Had Israel done to these Arabs what the Arabs would have done to the Jews had THEY won, she would have expelled Gaza and the West Bank's hostile Arabs and made it officially part of a Greater Israel. But by remaining an "occupier," Israel set itself up for a campaign of vicious propaganda against the Jewish State, the scope and intensity of which the world has never before seen!"

Now, this history is a bit biased towards israel in some of the commentary (particularily about Israel's "guilt" for taking over the Sinai peninsula), it still sums up the situation pretty damn well.

Btw, Trans-Jordan took over 75% of what was to become Palestine, back in 1948, so, basically, Jordan WAS Palestine. The problem was, Jordan didn't want to accept any palestinians. Neither did Syria, nor Egypt, nor any other nation. The palestinians were basically stuck in Israel, because none of the surrounding Arab nations would accept them or let them in.

Edit: For those of you who want to read the unitedjerusalem history, along with the pretty maps of the division of the land from the british colonization to 1982, go here: http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HISTORICAL_PERSPECTIVES/Maps_and_History/maps_and_history.asp

 

[AlphaSnake]

"I takes and takes, but I can takes no more. It's ass-kicking time, bitches!" -- Israel, 1948.

:rock :rock

 

[GaimeGuy]

"I takes and takes, but I can takes no more. It's ass-kicking time, bitches!" -- Israel, 1948.

:rock :rock

Or, "Ok, motherfuckers in all you seven countries. We're not just jews, anymore. We're an organized country (albeit less than 24 hours old.) Time to chew some bubble gum and kick some ass!"

 

[Pellham]

I'm sure many arabs want to eliminate Israel, but this fatah guy has to be high on something if he thinks that the forces who will try to get rid of Israel will not be crushed by Israel's allies.
If they really want World War III they can start it.

 

[Firest0rm]

I'm sure many arabs want to eliminate Israel, but this fatah guy has to be high on something if he thinks that the forces who will try to get rid of Israel will not be crushed by Israel's allies.
If they really want World War III they can start it.

No they can't. They won't have anyone backing them. Arab states really could careless about each other. Especially today.

 

[Nerevar]

Red Mercury, you're right, but having a person like this with any sort of power is going to be incredibly disruptive.


I suppose they don't think that's fair. Britain colonized Palestine and plunked a whole nother fucking country in their midst. If that wasn't bad enough, Israel resorted to terrorism when Britain tried to prevent them from expanding, and were about to establish an independent Palestine. Inevitably, Israel succeeded and then continued to capture the large majority of the region. They are pissed.

That second paragraph is ... interesting. Your sense of history is very different from, well, the commonly agreed upon series of events that, I don't know, actually happened?

Btw, Trans-Jordan took over 75% of what was to become Palestine, back in 1948, so, basically, Jordan WAS Palestine. The problem was, Jordan didn't want to accept any palestinians. Neither did Syria, nor Egypt, nor any other nation. The palestinians were basically stuck in Israel, because none of the surrounding Arab nations would accept them or let them in.

Exactly. Basically, the British divided up the territory and gave parts of it to Israel. The Arab nations basically said "fuck that" and told the Palestinians to reject it - they would crush the Israelis and simply take the land back for them. Well, as we all know, the Arab armies were crushed, and the Palestinians were left homeless. Instead of taking them in, or settling down with Israel to bargain for territory for a new nation, the Arab nations used the Palestinians as pawns in their continuing quest against Israel. If anyone is guilty for the current state of the Palestinian people, it's not the Israelis. It's the Egyptians, Jordanians, and other Arab states who have stoked this absurd notion that the only land for them is the land of Israel.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I'm sure many arabs want to eliminate Israel, but this fatah guy has to be high on something if he thinks that the forces who will try to get rid of Israel will not be crushed by Israel's allies.
If they really want World War III they can start it.

I don't think Israel needs help to defeat all the surrounding arab nations, to be honest. :/

 

[AlphaSnake]

No they can't. They won't have anyone backing them. Arab states really could careless about each other. Especially today.

Yeah. It's actually pretty true. A lot of the "united Arabian world" talk is all hyperbole. Egypt and Israel are on good terms with one another and are a lot closer than many would think.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Yeah. It's actually pretty true. A lot of the "united Arabian world" talk is all hyperbole. Egypt and Israel are on good terms with one another and are a lot closer than many would think.

Very close. They're probably two of the closest allies in the middle east, actually.

Man, I wish Yitzhak Rabin wasn't assassinated.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Very close. They're probably two of the closest allies in the middle east, actually.

Man, I wish Yitzhak Rabin wasn't assassinated.

Seriously. That was a shitty day. He'd have kept everything tight in Israel right now. The guy would've made pigs fly. I don't hate Sharon, but the guy just doesn't seem to fit the job, IMO.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Seriously. That was a shitty day. He'd have kept everything tight in Israel right now. The guy would've made pigs fly. I don't hate Sharon, but the guy just doesn't seem to fit the job, IMO.

Nope. Rabin just had a way of making things work out. Somehow, he appealed to both the Palestinian crowd and the Israeli crowd. And that damn bastard assassinated him.

 

[Che]

Can you guys replace "terrorists" with "resistance groups" when you talk about Fatah? Because I find it very annoying watching you, calling people who fight for their freedom terrorists while war criminals like Sharon are respected or at least not called with their real names (butcher, murderer, war criminal). Thanks.

 

[Crow357]

Well, it is sad when people die from any reason. When you target legitimate military targets and civilians get in the way, that is sad but it doesn't make you a terrorist. When you walk onto a crowded bus filled with women and babies and you blow them up, that makes you a terrorist.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Can you guys replace "terrorists" with "resistance groups" when you talk about Fatah? Because I find it very annoying watching you, calling people who fight for their freedom terrorists while war criminals like Sharon are respected or at least not called with their real names (butcher, murderer, war criminal). Thanks.

out of curiosity.. but do you actually know why sharon is considered a war criminal? im only asking because people always seem to bring this up.. but, for some reason, i have the inkling that they really dont know why.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

out of curiosity.. but do you actually know why sharon is considered a war criminal? im only asking because people always seem to bring this up.. but, for some reason, i have the inkling that they really dont know why.

do you?

 

[BigJonsson]

The only solution is peaceful co-existence

 

[Socreges]

Difference is, I didn't start with the guy. He started with me. I didn't start with you, you started with me. And I haven't said anything remotely stupid. It's just that we don't meet eye to eye with our thoughts and that somehow makes an ass. I should've remembered that it was pointless arguing with you.

I don't care who instigated. You were stupid, he was stupid. I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree as to you being stupid.

Wait wait wait, that is NOT how it happened. There have been terroristic activities done by Israel, before, however, such as the 1948 massacre in the Arab village of Deir Yasin by pre-state militias, the 1954 Lavon affair, an Israeli covert attempt to subvert relations between Egypt and the West, and Baruch Goldstein's 1994 massacre of Arabs in Hebron. But Israel DID NOT USE TERRORISM to take over Palestine.

That second paragraph is ... interesting. Your sense of history is very different from, well, the commonly agreed upon series of events that, I don't know, actually happened?

No, no, no. The terrorism bit wasn't meant to connect to the "successful" bit. Especially since the events were several years apart. I was only explaining why some Palestines are upset and don't want 'mere' peace.

Without the American sugar daddy, Israel would be nothing.

What about the fact that there were already some fairly wealthy Jews in Europe and such? I suspect they contributed. Though yeah, the fact that powerful countries each had a strong stake in particular Israeli success was huge for them.