Whatever method we decide on, it would always only be used for day 2 and onward. There isn't enough time to get suggestion>decide on a system and use it on the same day. That would be way to hard.
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Archer [Mafia] |OT| Wait, I Had Something For This
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Whatever method we decide on, it would always only be used for day 2 and onward. There isn't enough time to get suggestion>decide on a system and use it on the same day. That would be way to hard.
I thought about that and it might be valid in the late game but it's much more difficult to pull off and I think it's likely we have more mafia than we can send on a mission. We'd need to thin their numbers by a few to have a real chance at getting all mafia on a mission.
The other problem with the idea is even if we send the wrong group in this scenario mafia can generate a false positive by simply choosing not to kill anyone (this can be alleviated by not immediately lynching but rather allowing the game to drag out for a few no-kill day phases, generating information and reads and potentially forcing mafia to make a move)
For the record, i do not intend to comply with any voting for missions nonsense because it can be more easily abused by the mafia than the drones.
Reasoned and sensible arguments are why we should want specific people to go on a mission. If someone has a valid reason for me not to go, i will listen. If they want me off the mission because of some ridiculous popularity "vote", than you're a fool who is playing into the Mafia's hands.
My currentnreasons for volunteering are far better than most of the stuff ive heard tossed out today.
Reasoned and sensible arguments are why we should want specific people to go on a mission. If someone has a valid reason for me not to go, i will listen. If they want me off the mission because of some ridiculous popularity "vote", than you're a fool who is playing into the Mafia's hands.
My currentnreasons for volunteering are far better than most of the stuff ive heard tossed out today.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Hi gang! Good morning 
So, I haven't backtracked but I remember my promise last night about putting my meager voting powers to good use, so here it is!
Vote: Mazre
Reason:
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So, I haven't backtracked but I remember my promise last night about putting my meager voting powers to good use, so here it is!
Vote: Mazre
Reason:
- He's the first one to volunteer, right off the gate! Even quicker than Palmer! Who had set an alarm for it! (post #259)
- He's the first one to suggest there's four KGB agents, even when squidy began the hot list with five. (post #305)
And now to read read read! YUM~ I love waking up to posts~
Wait, you don't agree with what? You do think it was possible to implement a system day 1? Because that would be almost impossible to do correctly.
Visualante2
Member
Just a couple of things I'm throwing out there. Is there any value in making sure new people go on the mission every night? I know we're trying this strategy of protecting experienced players this way but how long can we go on like that? And what if we actually end up protecting a mafia role the entire game, while ensuring they get as much information from the mission as possible.
My concern is that we're going to make it harder for ourselves as town. What if we just ignore it the entire game, play regular mafia until we actually need to protect someone.
My concern is that we're going to make it harder for ourselves as town. What if we just ignore it the entire game, play regular mafia until we actually need to protect someone.
I think it would be possible yes.
If it was the system I proposed, it's already there, we just need to agree, then move down the list.
If it was the system squidy proposed, then we need to get everyone to list their reads today and tomorrow, then tally the lists on the final day with a caveat that we can't change our lists on the final day.
If it was the idea of voting in it's unformed state, well, probably not, But we have real concrete options now so I think it's possible to implement them if we work together, and if we agree they should be implemented.
But Palmer raises a good point in that we can't really overrule Ourobolus. Unless everyone on the current volunteer list plays along, any discussion of how it should go is moot.
And that's fine too. Because the sooner we establish that we can't change the volunteering whatsoever, the sooner we can move past this as a topic of discussion.
Septimus Prime
Member
Excellent points! So this means that it could be him...or it could be you.Hi gang! Good morning
So, I haven't backtracked but I remember my promise last night about putting my meager voting powers to good use, so here it is!
Vote: Mazre
Reason:
- He's the first one to volunteer, right off the gate! Even quicker than Palmer! Who had set an alarm for it! (post #259)
- He's the first one to suggest there's four KGB agents, even when squidy began the hot list with five. (post #305)
And now to read read read! YUM~ I love waking up to posts~
Visualante2
Member
I'm much less likely to suspect squidy because he was just having a bit of fun with it. It's the correction and back pedaling that makes Mazre ever so slightly more interesting to me.
What correction, you mean the number of players?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
..... said someone who hasn't contributed very much at all! Gosh it's like pulling a tooth for words with some of you~ (...not like I dislike pulling teeth out.... perks of the job and all that)
COME NOW. Tell us who you like and who you do not like as KGBs! I wants to hear more from the .....quiet ones.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
are you still annoying cooljean by purpose squidy! XD
no, it's just a happy byproduct of my own personal inpetitude
Visualante2
Member
I'm going to point out the preview post button.
Doesn't exist on mobile!
Visualante2
Member
You can still access the full site on mobile. But I understand where you're coming from. Copy and paste on Android doesn't work too well for me either.
GreatLord Tiger
Member
Ok I'm back from shopping. Couldn't find any archer clothing sadly
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Squidyj just for clarification purposes what were you thinking of me about.
GreatLord Tiger
Member
I didn't mean to leave the first quote in
cooljeanius
Member
Thanks!
that you were suspicious of the volunteers before roy
Yeah. Maybe we just accept that first come first serve is how it's going to work. (I mean that is how it's always going to go no matter what unofficial rules we try to enforce) If we really wanna get someone on/off the mission, as Palmer said, we can discuss it as a group to make it happen
At the end of the day we just need to put this line of discussion behind us, as this is kind of a thing we all need to be somewhat okay on it would be REALLY good to hear from everyone.
Hi gang! Good morning
So, I haven't backtracked but I remember my promise last night about putting my meager voting powers to good use, so here it is!
Vote: Mazre
Reason:
- He's the first one to volunteer, right off the gate! Even quicker than Palmer! Who had set an alarm for it! (post #259)
- He's the first one to suggest there's four KGB agents, even when squidy began the hot list with five. (post #305)
And now to read read read! YUM~ I love waking up to posts~
Fair enough for day 1. I'm an enthusiastic mafia player, in my short career (this being game 2) I've decided I want to be an active participant. That post was written on Saturday and yes I was ready to go and happened to refresh just as Ouro put up his post. squidyj simply asked for hot reads (no number specified) and I obliged mostly to humor him and see who else would participate. As stated, my reads were based on nothing, just 3 more numbers from random.org.
Huh? Could you clarify this please?
I agree. We should definitely discuss who goes on missions, and try to coordinate once we have more info, but for now, literally any name is as good as another, and I am definitely not submitting to any arbitrary voting systems.
I'm actually back at my PC finally, so sorry for all the typos previously.
Visualante2
Member
I was just agreeing with YesNOnoNOYes's line of thinking that's all.
I think this may be the best suggestion I've seen, simple to implement and allows those in less favorable timezones to partake. I'd be all for random (Praise be unto RNGesus), but that would just lead to implementation complications (under the assumption that Ouro would not be aiding us in any way).
GreatLord Tiger
Member
Okay yeah that's true. EzekelRAGE either didn't see/confused my post or ignored my post and wanted to point a finger at roy.
Septimus Prime
Member
Shoot. Better up my post count, quick, then.
I'm still catching up on my reading but...
I feel like you deserve a response because you are putting effort into this. I agree that we're wasting time even talking about it, but it's also Day 1. 99% of what has been said today of what is said today will be a waste of time as well. As for the actual idea, it's better thought out than a voting system, but I still wouldn't cooperate with it. We don't need artificial systems inhibiting our ability to use reason to persuade people about who should be on the mission. If we can present good arguments for someone's inclusion, and people don't make space, it provides us a lot more info.
I feel like you deserve a response because you are putting effort into this. I agree that we're wasting time even talking about it, but it's also Day 1. 99% of what has been said today of what is said today will be a waste of time as well. As for the actual idea, it's better thought out than a voting system, but I still wouldn't cooperate with it. We don't need artificial systems inhibiting our ability to use reason to persuade people about who should be on the mission. If we can present good arguments for someone's inclusion, and people don't make space, it provides us a lot more info.
Quality over Quantity my friend. Just posting a load of filler will gain more suspicion than people who are rarely posting.
Nothing but filler posts will also come across suspiciously. It's nothing personal, but we Mafia would have lost both games I was in much quicker if we had been lynching inactive posters.
These are true. If you're coming through with good posts, you'll stand out regardless of your post count.
As long as your stance remains stable on this front, I don't think we need to discuss this anymore. There's no way to implement a voting/queue unless everyone agrees to follow it. If we try to go ahead with some scheme while others refuse to play ball, then this will just lead to conflict and I'd rather not schism the entire thread on day one.
So let's go with this:
First come first serve, but if you want to appeal to volunteer or appeal to take someone off everyone should feel like they're free to do so. I feel like we should've suggested this earlier on instead of taking the volunteering as immutable canon, but you know, tunnel vision. This way, anyone who wants to mess with the mission will single themselves out in the process. Hopefully, this will assuage people's fears of exploitation by the KGB. It is better than arbitrary voting, at least, where KGB can hide among us in the same they can hide among wagons.
(This doesn't mean nobody needs to give reads, just so you know.)
Septimus Prime
Member
Freudian slip!?
Or do I play the odds that it's unlikely you'll land Mafia three times in a row? Hmm. HMMM.
Sort of. I was technically on Mafia side last game without BEING Mafia, and wewon, when we probably should have lost. Raindoc was one of the least active players in that game and should have been policy lynched under normal circumstances.
In the first game, we probably would have won a few days sooner if we had committed to lynching the fairly inactive RNH.
Another thing I meant to say, and part of why I wanted to be on this mission so badly, is that I'm a dangerous magnet and trap for power roles. I'm just a drone, but that won't stop people from targeting me, and risk giving info away if there are any mafia Watchers or Trackers this game. I think every time I've been targeted, it's gone awry, either because I was deliberately not using a power(Setre when I wasn't Protecting Raindoc), because I had a power that was a false positive(Sleepwalker), or because other people were also investigating/protecting me(LoC/Ultron in Game 1, Johnny and Hutts in SW Game 2). I really wanted to remove the temptation to waste/risk more actions on me.
If someone is on the mission and can investigate me, it's far less risky tonight than it will be any time I'm not on a mission.
If someone is on the mission and can investigate me, it's far less risky tonight than it will be any time I'm not on a mission.
The Goddamn Batman is in the philippines. his schedule is offset and I feel he's had less posting time than other players at the time of palmer's vote, I think even if you're looking for quiet ones there are better targets than The Goddamn Batman.
I'm actually super serial about my vote on Razmos, this isn't just to provoke discussion or anything the way my cabbeh vote mostly was, he gives me an incredibly strong mafia vibe in that he doesn't post that much, and his posts consist mostly of fluff or commenting on or agreeing with past information. He hasn't offered anything of substance to discussion this game and it gives the definite impression that he is hiding and doesn't want to be noticed.
Razmos needs to die.
I'm actually super serial about my vote on Razmos, this isn't just to provoke discussion or anything the way my cabbeh vote mostly was, he gives me an incredibly strong mafia vibe in that he doesn't post that much, and his posts consist mostly of fluff or commenting on or agreeing with past information. He hasn't offered anything of substance to discussion this game and it gives the definite impression that he is hiding and doesn't want to be noticed.
Razmos needs to die.
Cheesus... ;_;
What's the logic behind that? To be fair, that's how Razmos plays if the last Mafia game is anything to go by.
thats so long, can't we come up with something shorter? the slang term is wetwork, so maybe sploosh?
So [Assassination: Ourobolus]?
Doesn't really make sense to use the noun form of assassinate.