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[KageMaru]

Sure, WiiU hardly will achieve Wii's numbers, not even close, realistically saying, but they can improve it.

WiiU has many issues. Terrible marketing, overpricing, bad current library, name confusion (some believe WiiU is a Wii revision rather than a brand new system) and doubts about it's hardware power. Nintendo can help to change some of these issues if they move quickly.

They really don't much, if any, time on fixing this. They can lower the price and hope for a temporary bump in sales, but they have already made too many mistakes with the system for it to be anything more than a Nintendo machine with minimal 3rd party support. They should have realized, and fixed, these issues before they launched the system.

Point is, there is no conspiracy over why support lacks on the Wii-U while other systems (such as the PS3) enjoyed consistent support. This lacking support will only get worse once more attention is directed towards the PS4/Xbone and support for the older platforms is slowly phased out.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Pretty much exactly what's happening in a nutshell.

There is nothing compelling about the Wii U to entice consumers on a scale that would end up making projects lucrative on the platform for 3rd parties.

But we can beat this into the ground day in and day out - sales figures of the PS4 and Xbone will bear it out.

That's definitely what's happening here in the UK, it has zero mind share.

It seems that fewer and fewer shops are stocking Wii U consoles and games; it's worse than the situation Gamecube had here.

If there was consumer demand, shops would stock it.

 

[TreasureHunterG]

No it's not logical. I already wrote why not. Developers could make money on the ps3 from day one, who made money on the WiiU?

EA barely made money from the PS3 in it's first year. Even mobile made them more money than the PS3 in 2007.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/176488/ea-makes-more-money-from-mobile-games-than-ps3/

PS3 had far better third-party support than WiiU, too.

 

[casmith07]

They don't have time. They really don't.

Next gen will arrive here within 4 months. After that, nintendo is facing nothing BUT huge uphill battle. People who think MK8 and Zelda can save the system, let alone put console into lead position in upcoming generation, I expect, will have some nasty eye-opening surprise.

I just don't understand why people don't get this. It's really that simple, combined with the fact that the console itself isn't powerful enough to produce the same experience at or near what the PS4 and XB are going to provide.

 

[borghe]

That's definitely what's happening here in the UK, it has zero mind share.

It seems that fewer and fewer shops are stocking Wii U consoles and games; it's worse than the situation Gamecube had here.

If there was consumer demand, shops would stock it.

I think the big point is that the situation was very similar to DS and 3DS, and Nintendo managed to turn those around.

It's just a question of "can Nintendo do that in time for Wii U". I don't see how they'll be able to do it this year. Next year is looking promising... but that's also well over 12 months post-launch.

I just don't understand why people don't get this. It's really that simple, combined with the fact that the console itself isn't powerful enough to produce the same experience at or near what the PS4 and XB are going to provide.

I really don't believe that "experience" is going to be defined by what people think it will be defined by. I genuinely believe that the true "next-gen experience" that PS4 and XBONE will bring about is one that Nintendo is in a great place to stand with (social, second screen, media, meta-content, etc). Prettier graphics won't be what make people say "now THIS is next-gen".

Nintendo's problem comes down to software. And their REAL problem comes down to that they are just as much guilty of that problem as their third parties are.

 

[Manmademan]

I think the big point is that the situation was very similar to DS and 3DS, and Nintendo managed to turn those around.

It's just a question of "can Nintendo do that in time for Wii U". I don't see how they'll be able to do it this year. Next year is looking promising... but that's also well over 12 months post-launch.

Nintendo turned around the DS with a system redesign, and some compelling software that took advantage of touch controls, which were a novelty at the time.

The 3DS was sluggish until a major price drop.

neither of these strategies is feasible for turning around the wiiu.

 

[Wickerbasket]

I think the big point is that the situation was very similar to DS and 3DS, and Nintendo managed to turn those around.

It's just a question of "can Nintendo do that in time for Wii U". I don't see how they'll be able to do it this year. Next year is looking promising... but that's also well over 12 months post-launch.

The situation is nothing like the DS and 3DS in the UK. The major supermarkets don't even bother stocking the Wii U or any of it's games. It has zero mind share with the public.

I don't know what Nintendo will have to do to make retailers start stocking Wii U consoles and games, but it's not going to be easy.

 

[kuroshiki]

I really don't believe that "experience" is going to be defined by what people think it will be defined by. I genuinely believe that the true "next-gen experience" that PS4 and XBONE will bring about is one that Nintendo is in a great place to stand with (social, second screen, media, meta-content, etc). Prettier graphics won't be what make people say "now THIS is next-gen".

Nintendo's problem comes down to software. And their REAL problem comes down to that they are just as much guilty of that problem as their third parties are.

I humbly do not agree with this notion at all. (I'm not saying you are wrong. You maybe right, but I don't think a lot of people will categorize 'miiverse' as 'holy shit next gen experience'.)

When people see something amazing (example I can think of is division, etc), or just simply way better physics and super sharp graphics on their new TV, they will most likely say 'oh wow my money is well spend. LOOK AT THAT'.

Casuals already have a lot of social experience elsewhere.

 

[Raist]

I think it can be pointed to both the collapse of the Wii and music game markets actually, but you make a good point.

Well, music games have kind of been replaced by dance games. Just Dance and that other one (can't remember the name) have been pretty much the new RB/GH.
I'm pretty sure this is gonna die quickly tho, it's following the same pattern.

 

[borghe]

Nintendo turned around the DS with a system redesign, and some compelling software that took advantage of touch controls, which were a novelty at the time.

Nintendogs happened a ways before the Lite came around. the turn around can be directly attributed to Nintendogs.

The 3DS was sluggish until a major price drop.

3DS price drop saved it in Japan.. but it was still sluggish in the US. It was software that finally turned it around here.

neither of these strategies is feasible for turning around the wiiu.

Regarding the DS, Nintendo just needs to release solid appealing software.. i.e. Nintendogs.

regarding the 3DS.. almost a year later and surely profitable from the start.. a price drop (AND extra game) are not impossible (or unlikely) for Wii U.

I fully expect a $300 Deluxe system with NintendoLand and either NSMBU or Lego City by this fall. The basic system would then be $250. Fall's software releases also aren't too shabby, even from 3rd parties (err Ubi and Warner I guess)

I humbly do not agree with this notion at all. (I'm not saying you are wrong. You maybe right, but I don't think a lot of people will categorize 'miiverse' as 'holy shit next gen experience'.)

When people see something amazing (example I can think of is division, etc), or just simply way better physics and super sharp graphics on their new TV, they will most likely say 'oh wow my money is well spend. LOOK AT THAT'.

Casuals already have a lot of social experience elsewhere.

new TV?? You are not needing a new TV for anything these days.. That's kind of the point. Better graphics and better physics. We already see better graphics and physics from year to year on the current consoles. We also see tremendous selling games WITHOUT better graphics and better physics. Graphics and CPU-driven improvements have been under diminishing returns for years. They got a slight bump last gen thanks to the move to HD, but this coming gen loses that benefit (HD to HD). This gen isn't like going from gen to gen.. It is honestly like upgrading your 4 year old PC to play the newest games. That's why I simply can't see art and environment being the generation defining leap. It's also why I believe we see Sony and MS (and Nintendo) investing so much in meta-products. Proprietary social networks, live video streaming, after-gameplay experiences, indie self-publishing, etc. And if you notice, Nintendo has already invested in those EXACT same things.

It's all conjecture at this point. I know that. But I would almost bet this fall that more people will find streaming to Ustream/Twitch directly from the console more "next-gen" than the gorgeous graphics or physics.

as for the Miiverse comment.. that's kind of where I'm coming from. I actually WAS blown away that I could, while in-game, hop directly into the game's Miiverse channel, post a screenshot of an area I was having trouble with, and within a minute or two have responses that helped me out, then immediately able to jump back in game and finish. To me.. yeah, that is more next-gen than the (absolutely insanely gorgeous) better visuals in Second Son.

 

[spookyfish]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

Shooters!!! Shooters er'where!!!!

 

[SmokedMeat]

What I don't get are where are the DEALS?!!

At least in the US, there has been nothing since Target put the 8GB Basic on clearance. Last year aroud this time I was looking to buy a Vita, and there were retail deals galore with bonus $50 gift cards. I mention Vita because it was a similar situation of a new system that was struggling.
It's been quite a while since I've seen any retailers pushing the U with promotions. You'd think with the system performing this poorly we'd see something every other week, but instead I'm constantly seeing deals on the 360.

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

Plenty of people have already torn your post apart for various valid reasons, but I just had to chime in to say that this might actually be the dumbest post I have ever read on NeoGAF, and that's saying something. So, congratulations for that.

I'm very, very thankful that there aren't many people who think like you. Games are meant to be for everyone and come in all types, not just dudebro shooter gore-fests. But hey, enjoy those. Ironic that your avatar is from Apollo Justice, by the way -- not exactly a mature gore-fest and only playable on a Nintendo system. Hmm.

 

[nordique]

I think the big point is that the situation was very similar to DS and 3DS, and Nintendo managed to turn those around.

It's just a question of "can Nintendo do that in time for Wii U". I don't see how they'll be able to do it this year. Next year is looking promising... but that's also well over 12 months post-launch.


I really don't believe that "experience" is going to be defined by what people think it will be defined by. I genuinely believe that the true "next-gen experience" that PS4 and XBONE will bring about is one that Nintendo is in a great place to stand with (social, second screen, media, meta-content, etc). Prettier graphics won't be what make people say "now THIS is next-gen".

Nintendo's problem comes down to software. And their REAL problem comes down to that they are just as much guilty of that problem as their third parties are.

well said

 

[Lucent]

Like Disney and that damn Pixar stopping the movie industry from getting mature!

Wait... what the fuck!!!!!???

lol! Win.

Yeah I dunno what he's talking about, but I love Nintendo's franchises. Don't be trying to make it seem like everything should be "mature". Mature games are fine but I like me some simple fun Nintendo games whenever I can get them to take breaks from the "HOLY SHIT IT'S MOVIE TIME OH I JUST SHOT THAT GUY'S HEAD OFF, WOO!"

 

[DBPlayer]

Holy shit another thread. The Nintendo hate never ends.

 

[Fusion916]

The Wii U is a piece of shit, it would be a horrible business decision to give that platform a second thought (or even a first for that matter).

 

[KageMaru]

Well, music games have kind of been replaced by dance games. Just Dance and that other one (can't remember the name) have been pretty much the new RB/GH.
I'm pretty sure this is gonna die quickly tho, it's following the same pattern.

Yeah dancing games have stepped in, but I don't believe they are reaching the same sales figures we saw with the Instrument based music titles. On top of that, many of these music games cost more than the standard dancing games due to the peripherals included, raising the amount of revenue coming into the industry.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

i don't even... wtf?

 

[Wickerbasket]

Holy shit another thread. The Nintendo hate never ends.

Clearly didn't read the OP.

It's a thread started by another Nintendo conspiracy theorist.

 

[Skellig Gra]

The Wii U is a piece of shit, it would be a horrible business decision to give that platform a second thought (or even a first for that matter).

Or you could fill a void and capture a large part of the market share that is currently not being filled by anyone.

 

[JaseMath]

There's no conspiracy here, it's simply not a lucrative platform. Its just that simple.

The Wii U is a piece of shit, it would be a horrible business decision to give that platform a second thought (or even a first for that matter).

Very insightful posting, Junior.

 

[OnFire331]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

It used to be okay when it was 1980s and no one cared that most games were for children.
But this year we saw Bioshock Infinite and The Last of Us released, two games that transformed the idea of what video games could be. We see more and more of those kinds of games, but their efforts are nullified by companies like Nintendo, who just go on and release another Mario game as if it is still 1980s, without innovating in anything that matters, like storytelling and graphics. Video games will be accepted by everyone only if they become more movie-like.

This is just wrong. Disney movies didn't stop the movie industry from maturing, there's a place for both types of games.

 

[orborborb]

I don't understand why anyone misses the (non-japanese) developers considering what they came up with for the Wii when it was their LARGEST POTENTIAL MARKET. Boom Blox was... sort of decent I guess. I would be sad if we don't get Wii U equivalents of Kororinpa, Elebits, Zack and Wiki, or Sin and Punishment due to it not being a large enough market, but the only reason to get a Nintendo system since about 1994 has been Nintendo games.

 

[Sean]

I fully expect a $300 Deluxe system with NintendoLand and either NSMBU or Lego City by this fall. The basic system would then be $250. Fall's software releases also aren't too shabby, even from 3rd parties (err Ubi and Warner I guess)

Do you really think that's good enough?

That's only a $100 price difference from the PS4 (which also has the benefit of being the "hot new gadget release" this fall).

And for the more price sensitive shoppers, they're just going to buy a PS3 or 360 which has pretty much the same graphical capabilities while being much cheaper and having way more games. PS3/360 are also going to be riding the hype wave of GTAV, the biggest release of this year.

Wii U isn't the "best" system nor is it the cheapest system. I can't see any good reason for people to buy one this holiday unless they're crazy for Donkey Kong or whatever.

 

[v0yce]

I've never understood why it's easier for people to think that a whole bunch of different companies are to blame instead of the one platform holder.

Just ask yourself this: What has higher probability?

1. A Nintendo home console is a fertile environment for profits for third party games and a whole bunch of separate third parties ignore it either out of spite for Nintendo or stupidity on their part.

2. A Nintendo home console is a volatile environment for profits for third party games and a whole bunch of separate third parties ignore it because it's not worth the risk.

Now, before you answer, ask yourself why the Nintendo 3DS gets more third party support than the Sony Vita.

 

[GodofWine]

The system is stuck in between so many hard places:
- PS360 ports not worth doing since most of the gaming market will now own a PS360 seven years into their lives.
- WiiU ground up builds of games are to costly to do since the user base is not at all solid
- PSbone ports will not be comparable to original versions

It is just a badly positioned piece of hardware and Nintendo thinks the 1st party games still move 10's of millions of consoles.

 

[Altered Juice]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

 

[diffusionx]

new TV?? You are not needing a new TV for anything these days.. That's kind of the point. Better graphics and better physics. We already see better graphics and physics from year to year on the current consoles. We also see tremendous selling games WITHOUT better graphics and better physics. Graphics and CPU-driven improvements have been under diminishing returns for years. They got a slight bump last gen thanks to the move to HD, but this coming gen loses that benefit (HD to HD). This gen isn't like going from gen to gen.. It is honestly like upgrading your 4 year old PC to play the newest games. That's why I simply can't see art and environment being the generation defining leap. It's also why I believe we see Sony and MS (and Nintendo) investing so much in meta-products. Proprietary social networks, live video streaming, after-gameplay experiences, indie self-publishing, etc. And if you notice, Nintendo has already invested in those EXACT same things.

It's all conjecture at this point. I know that. But I would almost bet this fall that more people will find streaming to Ustream/Twitch directly from the console more "next-gen" than the gorgeous graphics or physics.

as for the Miiverse comment.. that's kind of where I'm coming from. I actually WAS blown away that I could, while in-game, hop directly into the game's Miiverse channel, post a screenshot of an area I was having trouble with, and within a minute or two have responses that helped me out, then immediately able to jump back in game and finish. To me.. yeah, that is more next-gen than the (absolutely insanely gorgeous) better visuals in Second Son.

So basically, what you are saying is that, in the best case scenario, the Wii U will be able to do all the same social/networking/community stuff the PS4/One do, although with worse graphics and less game support.

This is a winning strategy to you?

 

[Kater]

The Wii U is a piece of shit, it would be a horrible business decision to give that platform a second thought (or even a first for that matter).

Oh come on now, that is how people on Youtube comment sections "discuss" things.

 

[Fusion916]

Oh come on now, that is how people on Youtube comment sections "discuss" things.

In my case, my comment is accurate, youtube-like or not.

 

[borghe]

Do you really think that's good enough?

That's only a $100 price difference from the PS4 (which also has the benefit of being the "hot new gadget release" this fall).

Well of course the PS4 and XBONE are going to go gang busters this holiday, and will greatly outsell the Wii U. However there are many people out there who find the Wii U appealing (you see it here on GAF for starters), but are just waiting for a better value proposition (i.e. less expensive and more games). I see very few people opting for the Wii U INSTEAD of PS4/XBONE. Absolutely true. But I also see many people who would buy one along with (or buy one instead of a launch PS4/XBONE, knowing full well they will buy one of those within a year or two later and more games, aka again a better value proposition).

Wii U isn't the "best" system nor is it the cheapest system. I can't see any good reason for people to buy one this holiday unless they're crazy for Donkey Kong or whatever.

Well, it would be the cheapest, and based on what I'm guessing the Basic set would be $150 cheaper than PS4 (and $250 cheaper than XBONE) with a presumably good pack-in title. I could absolutely see that as appealing.

Mind you none of what I am suggesting has me believing it will really be competitive with those systems. But IMHO GCN wasn't really competitive with PS2/XBX either.

So basically, what you are saying is that, in the best case scenario, the Wii U will be able to do all the same social/networking/community stuff the PS4/One do, although with worse graphics and less game support.

This is a winning strategy to you?

Winning? As in giving Sony and MS a good run for their money? No. As in providing profit for Nintendo and the companies/devs publishing software on the system? Yes. And isn't the latter why all of these companies (including MS and Sony) are in business in the first place?

 

[AmFreak]

EA barely made money from the PS3 in it's first year. Even mobile made them more money than the PS3 in 2007.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/176488/ea-makes-more-money-from-mobile-games-than-ps3/

PS3 had far better third-party support than WiiU, too.

http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...6-4018-92a8-5fb824d6c27a/Earnings Release.pdf

Per Quarter: 41, 52, 13, 17, 102 million $.
If we now say EA gets 45$ per game, that is:
<1 million, ~1.2 million, ~300.000, <400.000, ~2.2 million

We don't have WiiU revenue numbers, cause the aren't in the EA earnings releases, we probably know why.
But we know that NfS sold under 10k in the US in it's first month. And we know that no game has sold over 150k in the us outside of NSMB. With knowing this numbers it's probably save to say that not even all 4 EA WiiU games together sold 1 million since launch.

 

[GetemMa]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

Yep, the entire videogame industry and core gamers are the victims of Nintendo. My life as a gamer is that much worse because of Nintendo. I mean, how do I explain away something as truly maladaptive as Mario? It is a travesty.

 

[JordanN]

What's so hard to understand Nintendo is actively punishing third parties by designing consoles meant to exclude them?

When Nintendo forced 64mb media in a world moving onto 600mb are you going to actively defend Nintendo for it at the cost of developers compromising 1/5th their games?

It's the same deal with whatever crap they're pulling off now. It's no conspiracy, just simple facts.

Edit: I don't mean literally every Nintendo console uses cartridges (lol). Only that every console had a defect compared to the competition.

 

[StevieP]

What's so hard to understand Nintendo is actively punishing third parties by designing consoles meant to exclude them?

When Nintendo forced 64mb media in a world moving onto 600mb are you going to actively defend Nintendo for it at the cost of developers compromising 1/5th their games?

It's the same deal with whatever crap they're pulling off now. It's no conspiracy, just simple facts.

Microsoft is punishing Rockstar - that's why gta v is a ps3 exclusive

 

[borghe]

What's so hard to understand Nintendo is actively punishing third parties by designing consoles meant to exclude them?

When Nintendo forced 64mb media in a world moving onto 600mb are you going to actively defend Nintendo for it at the cost of developers compromising 1/5th their games?

It's the same deal with whatever crap they're pulling off now. It's no conspiracy, just simple facts.

wtf are you talking about? what design about the Wii U is anything at all like staying with cartridges? console design has nothing to do with the current problem. consoles with low sales and low software sales don't exactly draw big time publishers. Not too hard of a concept to understand.. Nothing at all like what happened on N64.

edit - also it's impossible to say Nintendo was 100% wrong by mid-way through the gen. Load times were a CONSTANT reminder of that during the entire generation. Games like Final Fantasy V and Chrono Trigger that were beautiful works of creation from the previous gen made virtually unplayable by loading times. I still remember my launch PSX experience.. waiting 20-30 seconds for ESPN Extreme Games to load.. Then less than a year later getting Mario 64 and everything being instant. Yeah sticking with cartridges hurt Nintendo more than it helped, but the point they were making was not wrong.. we absolutely lost a little bit on PSX. and we never really got it back until drive streaming started becoming a regular occurrence with Dreamcast.

 

[MercGH]

Dumb post. It's simply business and really simple. WiiU and WiiU third party sales are dismal. Developers cannot make money on the system so they will not support it. If WiiU sales were great then they will make games for it. The system is a joke anyway especially hardware. It's not a console for gamers. It's a novelty console for gimmicks and for kids and old people

 

[JordanN]

wtf are you talking about? what design about the Wii U is anything at all like staying with cartridges? console design has nothing to do with the current problem. consoles with low sales and low software sales don't exactly draw big time publishers. Not too hard of a concept to understand.. Nothing at all like what happened on N64.

Nope. I think there are things about Wii U that still lag behind the competition.
It's a hardware and sales problem.

 

[dubq]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

By this logic video games would only "grow" with a set generation. There's a market for all kinds, chief.

 

[borghe]

Nope. I think there are things about Wii U that still lag behind the competition.
It's a hardware and sales problem.

Of course there are things lagging behind. I never said there weren't. I simply asked what exactly was on the level of 8MB cartridges compared to 650MB CDs.

Heck, there is more parity between Wii U and PS4/XBONE than there was between Wii and PS360.

 

[GetemMa]

What's so hard to understand Nintendo is actively punishing third parties by designing consoles meant to exclude them?

When Nintendo forced 64mb media in a world moving onto 600mb are you going to actively defend Nintendo for it at the cost of developers compromising 1/5th their games?

It's the same deal with whatever crap they're pulling off now. It's no conspiracy, just simple facts.

wat? The WiiU is designed to exclude....wat?

Nobody is buying it because Nintendo isn't driving hardware sales with its first party elite, which have been delayed and delayed more. In case you haven't noticed, the entire industry is going through some belt tightening right now. Making ports that will only sell 30K or 40K copies at most is terrible business so they've stop doing such things. It has fuck all to do with the hardware. EA said they will be making cross gen games for another 2 years after the next gen launches and WiiU is more than capable of playing those games but it won't get them, at least for a while, because the install base has flatlined since launch.

I love these people, who cry foul of "conspiracy theories" and turn the whole thing around and whip out a Nintendo conspiracy of their own, only it is Nintendo who are:

actively punishing third parties by designing consoles meant to exclude them

 

[JordanN]

Of course there are things lagging behind. I never said there weren't. I simply asked what exactly was on the level of 8MB cartridges compared to 650MB CDs.

Heck, there is more parity between Wii U and PS4/XBONE than there was between Wii and PS360.

It wasn't meant to be taken that literal. I was using it as an example of Nintendo's indifference. The "same" referring to the practice of making consoles behind the competition. There are things about Nintendo consoles still troublesome for developers.

 

[borghe]

It wasn't meant to be taken that literal. I was using it as an example of Nintendo's indifference. The "same" referring to the practice of making consoles behind the competition. There are things about Nintendo consoles still troublesome for developers.

There hasn't been one developer to complain about difficulties coding for the Wii U. On the contrary most indies have stated that it's a great machine to code for. There have been "performance concerns" (Frostbite and UE4) that most believe are stretches of truth covering the real problem that developers ARE complaining about.. aka console sales and retail viability.

 

[chaosblade]

Nope. I think there are things about Wii U that still lag behind the competition.
It's a hardware and sales problem.

Why do so many people assume hardware is always a key factor? It was a factor for the Wii because the featureset was massively outdated. A Wii port of a PS3/360 game would have to be built from the ground up, not just scaled back.

This isn't the case for the WiiU. The fact is the audience doesn't want the games, so they don't buy them. Third parties don't make money, so they don't make the games. There's nothing more to it than that.

Nintendo fans need to buy more than just Nintendo's games and a couple others for the platform, and Nintendo needs to make inroads into Sony and Microsoft's audience and get them to use their platform as their primary system. Being a "secondary" system doesn't do them any good because people are still only going to buy Nintendo's games on it, and third party games elsewhere.

It's not an issue of "weaker hardware = failure, stronger hardware = success." If the WiiU was roughly on par with the PS4/Xbone, would people buy it over both of those as their primary platform? (Hint: They didn't buy the GCN over the PS2 or Xbox despite parity)

 

[Ultimadrago]

This is like assuming whores won't fuck you because they want you to die a virgin.

That's not the case - they don't wanna fuck you because you don't got no money.

lol

 

[RMI]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

Oh... my sides..... GAF.... I can't breathe.... I can't......good bye GAF....... lol

the fuck is this shit

pretty much. Jesus Christ, and I thought the Nintendo fanboys were crazy. The haters are twice as bad.

The fact of the matter is that the Wii U has a lousy install base in pretty much every market compared to systems that may as well be the same thing to the average consumer (i.e. PS3/360). Right now, as a publisher, when making the decision about what platforms to publish games on, there is no reason to choose anything but the 360 and PS3. Those consoles have the market sewn up, and you're probably guaranteed at least some sales because people want to buy new video games for the consoles they own.

The Wii U has failed to sufficiently differentiate itself from its biggest competitors, the PS3 and the 360. It wasn't next-gen enough, and there has not yet been a killer app to encourage sales. There is no wide ranging conspiracy here. It's not worth publisher money to pay for development of Wii U games. Can that change? Maybe. Nintendo has a chance to turn it around this holiday, but it's going to take obscenely positive buzz about the lineup of games that they're sending out against the likes of GTA V and new consoles. Pikmin and Wonderful 101 are going to have to validate that goddamned game pad. Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is going to have to be tran-fucking-scendent. Super Mario 3D world is going to have to be better than Galaxy 2. It's a tall fucking order. If these games aren't topping GOTY lists along side Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA 5, Watchdogs and whatever else rises to the top this year, Nintendo are going to be in a world of hurt.

 

[JordanN]

There hasn't been one developer to complain about difficulties coding for the Wii U.

Why do so many people assume hardware is always a key factor? It was a factor for the Wii because the featureset was massively outdated. A Wii port of a PS3/360 game would have to be built from the ground up, not just scaled back.

This isn't the case for the WiiU.

I want to watch the next 5 years unfold and see if any developer who maxes out the PS4/XBO will get their game running on Wii U with next to no effort. If not, then I don't believe the above.

So far, some next gen games don't give me much confidence of that happening at all. Also, I think it's been mentioned developers do complain.

 

[famousmortimer]

I consider myself a "nintendo fanboy." I got a wii u at launch. I've owned two 3DS (OG + XL). I love nintendo and their games.


But I'm not signing on to this complete fucking paranoia about third parties having it out for Nintendo. It makes no sense. They want money. If money was there, they would be there. The fact that the best selling third party game was a financial disaster is all you need to know about why third parties aren't making games for the wii u. There's no need for tinfoil hats, the answer is right there in the numbers.

 

[Metallix87]

Rightfully, if it is so. Nintendo is the biggest of the few companies that keep video games from becoming truly mature. If we ever want video games to grow, we should let Nintendo and their franchises go. Their continuing influence on gaming makes being a video game fan a struggle and makes it impossible for the industry to become something more than it is right now, something it should be.

Translation: If all my games are full of mature themes and/or guns and violence and sex, then I simply can't enjoy them, and no one else should, either!