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Arkham Asylum Mafia |OT| It's time to kill the Bat
- Thread starter franconp
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If nothing else, neither your leadership in regards to this train nor your commitment to it can be faulted here.
SexyFish's first couple of posts (from getting voted on by Time and then voting for Time) all feel like fluff. Goofs and japes and jabs. The issue with this is I feel they weren't blatant enough and got them a fair bit of heat going down the line. When they started to straighten up and fly right, that's when we saw more notes of Sexy's personality. Getting called out by Sorian immediately caused them to switch votes, making them appear a bit jumpy at the chance to take back their "random chance" goof, but unfortunately it didn't do much to save them from the image of being a tad shaky and shady in the eyes of others.
Besides that, I feel like they've been trying their best to acclimatize themselves to the rhythm of the game. The had the chance to suck up to batsnacks and didn't, and since the start of the day they've been doing well to keep a bit more active in character debates (and they've even started to ask their own questions about some characters actions).
Shows promise, another neutral feel for me who can probably dig themselves out of being lynched day one. Maybe a little too much fluff, but is doing well enough.
Besides that, I feel like they've been trying their best to acclimatize themselves to the rhythm of the game. The had the chance to suck up to batsnacks and didn't, and since the start of the day they've been doing well to keep a bit more active in character debates (and they've even started to ask their own questions about some characters actions).
Shows promise, another neutral feel for me who can probably dig themselves out of being lynched day one. Maybe a little too much fluff, but is doing well enough.
Zippedpinhead
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Easily the scummiest thing I have seen all day. Not voting for you though. Don't want to bandwagon vote but I want you to know if you hadn't gotten some votes already I probably would have thrown one your way.
there's such a thing as dumb mafia, but that being said
anyone, anyone can have a knee jerk reaction and act on it
no matter how smart or dumb they are
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
We have over 24 hours, I want to see what on Earth he has going on in his mind.
im guessing a lot of gifs
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Care to explain why? I honestly don't know what I did to get five posts in a row telling me how scummy I am.
Honestly, if you're taking this route shouldn't you prod him more?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
At this point of the game? Not really. With the time we have, on day one, I don't see why we can't be a little experimental and see someone's suggestion play out. It give us more to work with than, "X is scummy because..." And reads lists that barely amount to anything.
Went back through a couple posts again just to see if there was anything more to Lifeline voting acohrs, but it basically just comes down to "just vote acohrs and see what happens".
Why not just call them out and question them instead of asking others to start a voting train on acohrs? They aren't shy, they'll show up and answer you eventually.
fake edit:
seriously, what the heck are you doing?
Why not just call them out and question them instead of asking others to start a voting train on acohrs? They aren't shy, they'll show up and answer you eventually.
fake edit:
seriously, what the heck are you doing?
I've been calling out Acorns since this game stated. Sorian basically didn't even let him respond and defended him for a while. Which is weird because Sorian also got upset when Kolar made a random kinda defense for me. When Sorian himself had spent the last couple posts defending Acorns.
Something is seriously suspect about Acorns, I think vote pressure is the best way to figure out what's going on.
But it is weird humoring Lifeline. Why follow his blind judgement?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Also something that really bugs me and I just don't get.
You guys act like my vote for lifeline was me saying I thought for sure he was scum. I voted him in my first post of the game. No, it wasn't RNG, but it's not like I was trying to make a whole wagon out of it. Looking at the vote count, you guys clear see voting in a far different way than I do. You see it as a finger of suspicion, I see it as a tool. I wanted to see how a newbie who was rubbing me wrong way would react so I voted him. Now I want to see his scheme play out, so I put my vote there.
Why? Because it gives us something to talk about. Heck, it's already working in a way.
You guys act like my vote for lifeline was me saying I thought for sure he was scum. I voted him in my first post of the game. No, it wasn't RNG, but it's not like I was trying to make a whole wagon out of it. Looking at the vote count, you guys clear see voting in a far different way than I do. You see it as a finger of suspicion, I see it as a tool. I wanted to see how a newbie who was rubbing me wrong way would react so I voted him. Now I want to see his scheme play out, so I put my vote there.
Why? Because it gives us something to talk about. Heck, it's already working in a way.
you haven't asked them a single question this whole game. heck, you haven't even asked other players about acohrs this whole game
instead you just made blanket reads on him, hoping someone else would do your job for you and go after acohrs more directly
you gotta dirty your own hands here if you want to try and out someone else as mafia
dont just ask everyone else to gang up on acohrs for you
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 1 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Kalor (3)
batsnacks 140
*Splinter 235
SexyFish 289
SexyFish (3)
Timeaisis 207
Sorian 287
Dr. Worm 318
Terrabyte20xx (3)
Kalor 434
Natiko 450
Fat4all 451
acohrs (2)
Lifeline 173 216
Lifeline 374
Terrabyte20xx 449
Mazre (1)
acohrs 422
Sorian (1)
Faddy 98
Timeaisis (0):Sorian 78 287, SexyFish 270 289
Lifeline (0):Terrabyte20xx 214 449
StarSketch (0):Natiko 232 450
No active vote for Day 1: AbsolutBro, Fireblend, Mazre, MickD, Nudull, Royal_Flush, StarSketch, That Dude John, TheWorthyEdge, Verelios, Zippedpinhead
Day 1 Postcount: *Splinter 11, AbsolutBro 9, acohrs 28, batsnacks 24, Dr. Worm 25, Faddy 34, Fat4all 41, Fireblend 16, Kalor 11, Lifeline 24, Mazre 5, MickD 0, Natiko 30, Nudull 5, Royal_Flush 4, SexyFish 20, Sorian 39, StarSketch 5, Terrabyte20xx 17, That Dude John 3, Timeaisis 13, Verelios 12, Zippedpinhead 6
Day 1 ends:
13 votes for majority
Kalor (3)
batsnacks 140
*Splinter 235
SexyFish 289
SexyFish (3)
Timeaisis 207
Sorian 287
Dr. Worm 318
Terrabyte20xx (3)
Kalor 434
Natiko 450
Fat4all 451
acohrs (2)
Lifeline 374
Terrabyte20xx 449
Mazre (1)
acohrs 422
Sorian (1)
Faddy 98
Timeaisis (0):
Lifeline (0):
StarSketch (0):
No active vote for Day 1: AbsolutBro, Fireblend, Mazre, MickD, Nudull, Royal_Flush, StarSketch, That Dude John, TheWorthyEdge, Verelios, Zippedpinhead
Day 1 Postcount: *Splinter 11, AbsolutBro 9, acohrs 28, batsnacks 24, Dr. Worm 25, Faddy 34, Fat4all 41, Fireblend 16, Kalor 11, Lifeline 24, Mazre 5, MickD 0, Natiko 30, Nudull 5, Royal_Flush 4, SexyFish 20, Sorian 39, StarSketch 5, Terrabyte20xx 17, That Dude John 3, Timeaisis 13, Verelios 12, Zippedpinhead 6
Day 1 ends:
13 votes for majority
if you wanted something worth talking about, why didn't you just pressure they guy you said you wanted to pressure?
i find it very odd how in both cases for your votes it's for the purposes on pressuring someone, but only in this case do you seem intent on actually putting pressure on them
Why are you so obsessed with acorns?
So the below wasn't you casting suspicion on lifeline?
The problem is your argument is extremely weak. You're drawing connections based off so little. Acorn could be scum and everyone else you listed could be town, same could be true the opposite way. You're pushing for chain lynches with no solid reasoning. If you want to make a case for why acorn is scummy then great, but if you hinge it on three exact others also being scum then you lost me.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
I guess not because apparently I didn't make any attempt to put any pressure on lifeline, so CLEARlY that wasn't me throwing shade at him.
people notice when the words and actions of a player don't mesh
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Okay, now this is just a rediculous misuse of mafia terms and reading intention.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hammer
Hammering is when someone votes the last one required to Lynch, at best you might be able to use that term to say that I am trying to lead a Lynch, and even then I have made it abundantly clear that is not what I am trying to do.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
And I notice when there are two separate naritives of suspicion on me that seem to be completely contradictory.
i honestly doubt they were using 'hammering' in the mafia sense, terra
I don't want to attack you in particular for this, but expecting complete knowledge from the new players is a little mean
"Hammering" has a valid usage outside of the mafiasphere, and someone who isn't aware of the connotation shouldn't be faulted for using it like that
that doesn't automatically make both suspicions false
It's a bit of a mess right now to be honest. Generally speaking I feel better about the players that aren't jumping on every little thing like it's some massive tell. Lot of awkward play going on right now but I can't necessarily attribute much of it as specifically scum behavior.
Sorian seem intent on wanting to make an impression on as many people as possible. I dunno if it's normal play for them, but the constant back and forth with so many players is interesting. It might be to establish a role of dominance early, or to gather as much information about how people react to pressure, but their constant 'counter-attacks' on other players seem to keep Sorian very active. This doesn't just apply to players who go negative against him, but also for players who lean positively towards him.
It's a very aggressive play style, and something that would suit a confidant townie or an ambitious scum.
I think there's a very real chance that Sorian could be using this aggressive play in order to force himself into players minds and get them used to the idea of them sticking around. A scum using this technique could make it seem like they survive due to being 'hated', planting the idea that 'the scum only keep Sorian around because they might rub people the wrong way and get lynched anyways'. The liability-scum. I saw batsnack put this very same method into play once before in a different game, creating a narrative around a player that allows town to imagine why that player is still around and not night-killed.
Dunno if Sorian is doing this or if this is just how they be normally.
It's still a style very good for game conversation.
It's a very aggressive play style, and something that would suit a confidant townie or an ambitious scum.
I think there's a very real chance that Sorian could be using this aggressive play in order to force himself into players minds and get them used to the idea of them sticking around. A scum using this technique could make it seem like they survive due to being 'hated', planting the idea that 'the scum only keep Sorian around because they might rub people the wrong way and get lynched anyways'. The liability-scum. I saw batsnack put this very same method into play once before in a different game, creating a narrative around a player that allows town to imagine why that player is still around and not night-killed.
Dunno if Sorian is doing this or if this is just how they be normally.
It's still a style very good for game conversation.
I understand why newbie x might think it's important, I even mention that, it's still a large assumption for someone who has played a lot of mafia though.
Try again.
This vote is opportunistic as fuck.
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Honestly, out of reading everything on catch up just now, the one that bothers me the most is worm. He seems to be gliding along which can be semi-explained with him saying he was busy yesterday after plopping that fish vote but that vote itself was also completely a bandwagon.
VOTE: Dr. Worm
Also one more aside because multi-quote missed a post. The point of the game is to kill the scum team, not Batman specifically. fran can do whatever he wants, Batman could be ordinary goon or a jack of all trades with infinite strong kills. That's why the assumption feels wrong when more experienced players are going for it.
I know it's too early to make a entire Mafia read, but almost every person i have leaning in the Mafia category are behaving the same way.
So it's not acorns in particular that has me going against him, but how everyone has been behaving around him.
Here's my timeline:
- Sorian defends himself and gets ready for being targeted because he's going to be active
- Fireblend also defends Sorian from being targeting for being too active.
- acohrs sets up a Sorian defense.
All of this seems unnatural, Acohrs defense being the most out of place feeling.
So I vote for Acohrs
- Immediately Sorian comes to his defense
- Dr. Worm kinda comes to his defense, playing it super safe
- Fireblend downplays the situation.
I remove the Acohrs vote
- Dr. Worm now feels confident enough to say that Acohrs list was "strange". Probably to cover himself
Kolar says something that could be considered a defense of my post:
- Fireblend, Sorian, Dr. Worm all slowly jump on the Kolar train as a easy townie to pick off.
- Acohrs lays low
So it's not acorns in particular that has me going against him, but how everyone has been behaving around him.
Here's my timeline:
- Sorian defends himself and gets ready for being targeted because he's going to be active
- Fireblend also defends Sorian from being targeting for being too active.
- acohrs sets up a Sorian defense.
All of this seems unnatural, Acohrs defense being the most out of place feeling.
So I vote for Acohrs
- Immediately Sorian comes to his defense
- Dr. Worm kinda comes to his defense, playing it super safe
- Fireblend downplays the situation.
I remove the Acohrs vote
- Dr. Worm now feels confident enough to say that Acohrs list was "strange". Probably to cover himself
Kolar says something that could be considered a defense of my post:
- Fireblend, Sorian, Dr. Worm all slowly jump on the Kolar train as a easy townie to pick off.
- Acohrs lays low
I've never voted for Kalor, he's also barely hit a leaning weird category for me, I know I didn't quote you because it was a big post I didn't want to crop but the two quotes you pulled from me about Fireblend is that I gave him good points for two very specific things but still have no overall read on him.
I do think you're legitamately trying to give a good read here but you are already tunneling and changing your perception to match.
I do think you're legitamately trying to give a good read here but you are already tunneling and changing your perception to match.
Honestly, this reads more like...
... Sorian criticizing how you came to your conclusion, not that you voted for acohrs in the first place.
I agree that Dr. Worm played this situation very strangely.
They quoted your post voting for acohrs and asked you to expand upon why you did, but when you gave an answer, Dr. Worm just quoted the original acohrs vote post again instead of directly addressing your answer to him.
Okay, maybe i'm starting with the wrong person on my list.
VOTE: Dr. Worm
I played a game called Town of Salem like a couple years ago. And I didn't really think about that. I was looking at this as a town vs mafia game.
VOTE: Dr. Worm
I played a game called Town of Salem like a couple years ago. And I didn't really think about that. I was looking at this as a town vs mafia game.
Town of Salem is a town vs. mafia game. But it's hard to translate over because those games run so quick that the strategies are different. Also, the set ups are open or semi-open.
I am now very concerned about Natiko. I'm piggybacking on Sorian here but that the opportunism of that vote on Terra cannot be ignored. Same goes for Fat4All.
Kalor, who himself is under suspicion, makes a weak vote on Terra and those two are right in behind it seeing an opportunity to jump on a wagon with a compromised player.
VOTE: Natiko
Kalor, who himself is under suspicion, makes a weak vote on Terra and those two are right in behind it seeing an opportunity to jump on a wagon with a compromised player.
VOTE: Natiko
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Well then, that went nowhere.
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