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[Lone_Prodigy]

I should've refreshed before posting. Also the brevity of that post implies conviction, which was not my intention. I was just deducing what Flush was hinting at.

 

[Royal_Flush]

I didn't remember you claiming a name with your power but I see Verelios said it as well so I must have just missed it. So that means one of you two fucked up because it's doubtful Fran gives a used name out to scum chat. So now the vote is between you two.

Mazre, if you're Clayface why didn't you say something to the obvious lie earlier?

Flush, can you quote me where you claimed your role name so I know how long ago it was?

I didn't nameclaim because why would I? I wasn't going to get lynched.

Smart people can figure that out by just my "weird initial reaction" as you put it

 

[Verelios]

...Hm, I just can't get it into me to trust you L_P

 

[Sorian]

I don't think RF ever claimed being Clayface, he's counterclaiming the name now. He was talking about the implications of him asking Mazre if they didn't have fake names in the scum thread, obviously because he used his name, if he's telling the truth.

That's it?

VOTE: Royal_Flush

I don't know what's going on anymore in terms of this play but am I going to vote for the Clayface that claimed a normal role and has been posting low volume decent thoughts today or the Clayface that claimed a role that borders on not making much sense and absorbed a "poison" that only finally showed up on day 3 and that was taken from a player that scum would likely never bother poisoning?

This isn't a hard pick imo.

 

[Fat4all]

I should've refreshed before posting. Also the brevity of that post implies conviction, which was not my intention. I was just deducing what Flush was hinting at.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[Faddy]

OK I looked up Clayface on wikipedia, it says he has been multiple identities. COuld two players have the same name?

 

[Fireblend]

OK I looked up Clayface on wikipedia, it says he has been multiple identities. COuld two players have the same name?

Really now?

 

[Fat4all]

OK I looked up Clayface on wikipedia, it says he has been multiple identities. COuld two players have the same name?

Clayface disguises as other people, there's not multiple clayfaces normally

speaking generally

 

[Royal_Flush]

Clayface disguises as other people, there's not multiple clayfaces normally

speaking generally

Hey, guess who's role could be described as "disguising as other people so whatever would target them instead targets clayface"?

That's it?

VOTE: Royal_Flush

I don't know what's going on anymore in terms of this play but am I going to vote for the Clayface that claimed a normal role and has been posting low volume decent thoughts today or the Clayface that claimed a role that borders on not making much sense and absorbed a "poison" that only finally showed up on day 3 and that was taken from a player that scum would likely never bother poisoning?

This isn't a hard pick imo.

Can you give me those "decent thought", please?

 

[Sorian]

Clayface disguises as other people, there's not multiple clayfaces normally

speaking generally

No, I think he means that there are multiple people who became the villain Clayface. Considering the flips so far though and how it's only been super villain names, I doubt Fran goes out of his way to fuck with us and put two of the same villain but with the delineation that one is Basil Karlo and the other is Matt Hagen, for example.

 

[Timeaisis]

OK, wait.

So RF and Mazre are both claiming Clayface, a hider?

 

[AbsolutBro]

I'm fucking feelin' ya right now.

This I'm not so certain on. They don't seem to have much to say, and have mirrored Time a bit in their reads today. I dunno if this is just similar to what they did yesterday with Time and my own arguments against Faddy, or what, but it's strange to see them latch onto other people arguments to try and make their own.

I admit a certain amount of out of thread knowledge, but not enough to clear Nudull 100%.

Does hiding behind scum automatically kill you? Because there are 4 or 5 scum out there and probably a vig so doesn't hiding increase your odds of death.

When I was a Hider in Overwatch, hiding behind scum would kill me.

Still waiting for the implication of this to hit. Come on guys, you can figure it out what I just said.

So you're name claiming Clay face then?

 

[Verelios]

OK, wait.

So RF and Mazre are both claiming Clayface, a hider?

Uh, no, just the character

 

[Sorian]

Hey, guess who's role could be described as "disguising as other people so whatever would target them instead targets clayface"?



Can you give me those "decent thought", please?

Sure:

I meant to post something yesterday but time got away from me. I'm a little surpised this hasn't been poked at more. What was the purpose behind offering confirmation for Verelios? We all would've gotten that regardless once Ver voted.

It implies either

1. You were responsible for it.

or

2. You had some way of communicating with Ver or the person who gave Ver the double vote.

I fail to see the town benefit in revealing either of these pieces of information. At best it's poor town play, at worst it's scum trying to set up some cover.

Revisiting our day 1 votes:

From the group of Faddy, Fireblend, AbsolutBro and MickD (Bronxman) and myself : (voted but not on the top 2)


AbsolutBro - Revealed a little info about his role under the barest of pressures, claims also as a fear against dying at night, but that can happen to anyone, and announcing as he did in theory actually increases those odds
I don't think you can read much into him dropping off Faddy on day 2 unless you also consider Faddy to be scum.

Fireblend - fits Sorians engaged and inoffensive criteria to a 'T'

Faddy - I still haven't seen much I see as scummy here myself, more to come in a follow up

Bronx-man - There's still nothing to really go on here, we have shit posts from MickD day 1, no posts day 2, and "Getting to know you" so far on day 3

So back to our poison case:

As claimed so far we have RF claiming to have drawn a poison shot intended for Fat4all.

Shot limit? Seems likely due to apparent lack of poison night 1 (unconfirmed at this point)

Source of poison: scum, town or neutral?

Scum case: It's another kill, easy way to give a goon a little more power by giving them a 1-shot that still let's the victim interact for a phase; would generally expect earlier use so they don't lose it and to more quickly thin herd.
If they were concerned about it being neutralized I could see them holding for a bit, perhaps until they had a chance to sniff out who could stop them and remove them, if they were afraid of losing the kill due to pressure I could see them taking the shot regardless

Neutral - possible but based on current info would appear to be a very non-standard role

Town - town poisoner would be rare, only reason I'd consider it here is that it fits the lore better (poison doesn't scream Batfam MO to me)

I think there's a case that Faddy may be our poisoner (assuming RF didn't make the whole thing up)

Coming as the sole survivor of a 3-way race for elimination on day 2 would certainly be motivation to use a shot-limited ability prior to elimination. The target isn't completely crazy either as he had butted heads with Fat quite a bit throughout day 1 and 2. It makes sense if he's town to remove a player he's suspicious of and if he's scum it's WIFOM.

I've tended to lean town on Faddy throughout all this and still do at this point. Though this may all be moot depending on what happens N3 with RF.

I even said that I liked the posts last night, this isn't a new read:

Lynching a neutral isn't a mislynch, it doesn't put us closer to losing. It buys time if they were going to win and leave anyway. The poison claim isn't even my issue, the role he says he himself has does not sound even remotely true. That said, I'm not calling for his head because I don't think this is a scum play and that's all I care about at this point.

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I'm on mobile all night so that big post is all wall of text to me for now. I'll have to actually read it when I can see it on a comp screen. I echo the point above that L_P looks like busy work but I can't agree with the same on Mazre, his last few posts have been quite good.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Can we get a vote count?

 

[Bronx-Man]

Clayface disguises as other people, there's not multiple clayfaces normally

speaking generally

Technically, there's been three different Clayfaces over the years. But I assume the real Clayface is a power role and I can't imagine Mazre & RF both getting the exact same role.

VOTE: Royal_Flush

Between the Clayface claim and the poison claim, you're not making a lot of sense right now.

 

[Royal_Flush]

That's it?

VOTE: Royal_Flush

I don't know what's going on anymore in terms of this play but am I going to vote for the Clayface that claimed a normal role and has been posting low volume decent thoughts today or the Clayface that claimed a role that borders on not making much sense and absorbed a "poison" that only finally showed up on day 3 and that was taken from a player that scum would likely never bother poisoning?

This isn't a hard pick imo.

Also let's phrase this as "showed up N2" and suddenly it doesn't sound as unlikely. Why so spindoctor-y?

 

[Fat4all]

If we lynch Mazre and they flip Clayface, that's likely a RF lynch tomorrow.

If we lynch RF and they flip Clayface, that's likely a Mazre lynch tomorrow.

The only difference here is the alleged poison.

 

[Sorian]

OK, wait.

So RF and Mazre are both claiming Clayface, a hider?

Both claiming Clayface but Mazre claims hider and R_F claims targeted lightning rod.

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I'll at least give Flush that his power does make more sense when he puts it the way he just did.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I have been saying I believe flush for most of the day, but this claim puts us in a better spot.

If we lynch flush, when he would have died tonight anyway we are essentially taking a kill from scum. It would also prove or disprove mazre (so we could deal with him tomorrow).

Dorry flush, for town I gotta switch my vote:

For the record: I think you are being most accurate on your job just lying about the name so scum can't get an extra kill.

vote: Royal_Flush

I would rather have you in the game, and if you would rather me not lynch you (and have you get healed tonight). tell me and I will swap it back to Faddy (who I still think is scum)

 

[franconp]

Day 3 votes

ccs (1)
sorian 1635 (1798)
timeaisis 1841
fireblend 1922 (1936)

faddy (0)
timeaisis 1670 (1841)
zippedpinhead 1746 (1970)

acohrs (0)
natiko 1721 (1821)

penguin (0)
flame_ac 1726 (1896)

flame_ac (2)
verelios 1736
verelios 1736

absolutbro (2)
acohrs 1737
nudull 1886

lone_prodigy (0)
faddy 1757 (1789)

mazre (2)
royal_flush 1786
ccs 1788

nudull (0)
fireblend 1787 (1912)

natiko (1)
faddy 1789 (1942)
penguin 1861

bronx-man (0)
sorian 1798 (1903)

timeaisis (2)
natiko 1821
flame_ac 1896
sorian 1903 (1954)

css (0)
fireblend 1912 (1922)

royal_flush (3)
sorian 1954
bronx-man 1966
zippedpinhead 1970

Don't have an active vote: Fat4all, AbsolutBro, Faddy, Fireblend, Lone_Prodigy, Mazre.

Day 3 ends:

Automated vote tally here

10 votes for majority

 

[Sorian]

Also let's phrase this as "showed up N2" and suddenly it doesn't sound as unlikely. Why so spindoctor-y?

That's one point out of 3 issues. It's also my bias that I haven't really bought the poison crap from the start but I've just been assuming you are neutral and I don't care, now I have no clue but this is going to deep for what scum or a neutral would want.

 

[Fat4all]

Hey, guess who's role could be described as "disguising as other people so whatever would target them instead targets clayface"?

If this is elaborate scum play, you've been planning it for a while.

Let's see what shakes out.

VOTE: Mazre

 

[AbsolutBro]

That's what I get for not updating the thread first.

Mazre vs Royal_Flush is interesting. Watching who falls on each side even more so.

 

[Royal_Flush]

I have been saying I believe flush for most of the day, but this claim puts us in a better spot.

If we lynch flush, when he would have died tonight anyway we are essentially taking a kill from scum. It would also prove or disprove mazre (so we could deal with him tomorrow).

Dorry flush, for town I gotta switch my vote:

For the record: I think you are being most accurate on your job just lying about the name so scum can't get an extra kill.

vote: Royal_Flush

I would rather have you in the game, and if you would rather me not lynch you (and have you get healed tonight). tell me and I will swap it back to Faddy (who I still think is scum)

I... what?

We lynch Mazre, I die (maybe), Scum shoots somebody, start scumhunting again with 1 Scum, 1/2 Town dead

We lynch me, Scum shoots somebody, you lynch Mazre, Scum shoots somebody, start scumhunting again with 1 Scum, 3 Town dead

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Hmm, this all started when Mazre claimed rather unexpectedly to... clear Natiko? No N1 action is odd too.

 

[Fireblend]

If Flush is telling the truth about the poison, doesn't it make more sense to lynch Mazre so we know both their alignments at the start of D4? Unless we're like 100% sure Mazre is town that is. Someone tell me how my logic is bad.

 

[Verelios]

The only problem with a RF lynch to me is that we never really confirm of he really was poisoned or not

 

[AbsolutBro]

Vote: Mazre

After Disney Princesses, I'm more inclined to believe Flush over Mazre

 

[Verelios]

If Flush is telling the truth about the poison, doesn't it make more sense to lynch Mazre so we know both their alignments at the start of D4? Unless we're like 100% sure Mazre is town that is. Someone tell me how my logic is bad.

Were not 100% that there's a poisoner, or even if the poisoner is scum. If they're not and we're somehow outing our PD then that's a stupid trade-off.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I... what?

We lynch Mazre, I die (maybe), Scum shoots somebody, start scumhunting again with 1 Scum, 1/2 Town dead

We lynch me, Scum shoots somebody, you lynch Mazre, Scum shoots somebody, start scumhunting again with 1 Scum, 3 Town dead

Sort reading too far into it. Hoping someone is able to heal you is optimal.

vote: mazre

 

[Sorian]

If Flush is telling the truth about the poison, doesn't it make more sense to lynch Mazre so we know both their alignments at the start of D4? Unless we're like 100% sure Mazre is town that is. Someone tell me how my logic is bad.

We know the alignment of both at the start of day 4 regardless. One is lying and one isn't. Yes, you are right that if poison is there then lynching Mazre means both will have flipped tomorrow morning but hider still has a lot of utility considering that is effectively a cop role with every drawback possible so lynching on the basis of most info can shoot us in the foot pretty handily.

 

[Timeaisis]

Both claiming Clayface but Mazre claims hider and R_F claims targeted lightning rod.

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I'll at least give Flush that his power does make more sense when he puts it the way he just did.

Alright, thanks. I got caught up mostly.

Clayface the lightning rod kind of makes sense. Kind of. Hider makes sense, too, although I don't want to get in what fits more thematically. Thing is, the way Mazre has come out with this information is 100% less suspect than the way RF has. I don't understand the post where he wanted to understand the "scumchat fakeclaim" implication. If Mazre claimed his role, it makes more sense to come out and say it. Taking the ambiguous path seems like setting up a backpadel if necessary.

 

[Faddy]

I'm more inclined to believe Mazre than Flush. If Flush is scum and poisoned and will flip, he has nothing to lose by counterclaiming Mazre.

For now UNVOTE

Replying to myself because I don't know if this is dumb or not?

The obvious thing is scum want to take out Mazre who has a useful skill of being able to greencheck people. Flush is dying so why not?

Why would Mazre make such a brazen attempt to protect Natiko, if they are both scum he has given the game away on two people.

 

[AbsolutBro]

With Flush supposedly dying at the end of the night, it's possible we don't have a specific pois on doctor, and a regular protective role is supposed to save them.

 

[Fireblend]

Were not 100% that there's a poisoner, or even if the poisoner is scum. If they're not and we're somehow outing our PD then that's a stupid trade-off.

If they're not what, poisoned? I wonder if there would be a PD at all if Flush isn't telling the truth about that. I did preface my post with "if RF is telling the truth about the poison" though.

 

[acohrs]

Was townreading RF before, but now...

Read of Mazre hasn't changed, they're consistent at the least I will give them that

 

[Royal_Flush]

Were not 100% that there's a poisoner, or even if the poisoner is scum. If they're not and we're somehow outing our PD then that's a stupid trade-off.

on the other hand, if the poisoner is Neutral, Scum isn't really interested in shooting down the PD, as they can heal Scum from poison too.

 

[Fat4all]

I'm not sure what proc'ted Mazre to claim in the first place.

It didn't seems all that much like he or Nat were in any immediate danger of getting lynched, and what little votes they had could probably be talked down at the end of the day.

 

[AbsolutBro]

Replying to myself because I don't know if this is dumb or not?

The obvious thing is scum want to take out Mazre who has a useful skill of being able to greencheck people. Flush is dying so why not?

Why would Mazre make such a brazen attempt to protect Natiko, if they are both scum he has given the game away on two people.

Same reason Darryl claimed Wendy in Disney Princesses, despite having a list of safe claims. Sometimes people go off script. Sometimes it works, often it doesnt.

 

[acohrs]

Replying to myself because I don't know if this is dumb or not?

The obvious thing is scum want to take out Mazre who has a useful skill of being able to greencheck people. Flush is dying so why not?

Why would Mazre make such a brazen attempt to protect Natiko, if they are both scum he has given the game away on two people.

From what I see of the hider, it's kind of like a town cop, yes? He dies if he hides in scum, so he can't share who scum is, just who town is.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Alright, thanks. I got caught up mostly.

Clayface the lightning rod kind of makes sense. Kind of. Hider makes sense, too, although I don't want to get in what fits more thematically. Thing is, the way Mazre has come out with this information is 100% less suspect than the way RF has. I don't understand the post where he wanted to understand the "scumchat fakeclaim" implication. If Mazre claimed his role, it makes more sense to come out and say it. Taking the ambiguous path seems like setting up a backpadel if necessary.

If I caught scum claiming my name, I'd be snarky about it too.

 

[Royal_Flush]

Clayface the lightning rod kind of makes sense. Kind of. Hider makes sense, too, although I don't want to get in what fits more thematically. Thing is, the way Mazre has come out with this information is 100% less suspect than the way RF has. I don't understand the post where he wanted to understand the "scumchat fakeclaim" implication. If Mazre claimed his role, it makes more sense to come out and say it. Taking the ambiguous path seems like setting up a backpadel if necessary.

Oh come on, for the dramatic effect. Isn't it much more fun if the reader goes "Wait, did he just...?"? Builds up the tension more.

 

[Timeaisis]

Hmm, this all started when Mazre claimed rather unexpectedly to... clear Natiko? No N1 action is odd too.

Yes, I don't get it as a scum play to clear Natiko on a whim at the end of the day. 'Tis weird.

 

[Sorian]

I'm not sure what proc'ted Mazre to claim in the first place.

It didn't seems all that much like he or Nat were in any immediate danger of getting lynched, and what little votes they had could probably be talked down at the end of the day.

This is easy to say except we had 5 people sitting at 2-3 votes with 45 minutes left. The lynch was a toss up easily.

 

[AbsolutBro]

From what I see of the hider, it's kind of like a town cop, yes? He dies if he hides in scum, so he can't share who scum is, just who town is.

Even then, depending on the runner he can only tell who "not-scum" is. Neutrals are kind of a toss up.

 

[Fat4all]

We know the alignment of both at the start of day 4 regardless. One is lying and one isn't. Yes, you are right that if poison is there then lynching Mazre means both will have flipped tomorrow morning but hider still has a lot of utility considering that is effectively a cop role with every drawback possible so lynching on the basis of most info can shoot us in the foot pretty handily.

The possibility of knowing whether or not the poison is real or not would be helpful for future poison claims (if they pop up).

We wouldn't have to wait for them to claim, die, or for a poison doc to appear.

 

[Fireblend]

How's the vote?

 

[Sorian]

From what I see of the hider, it's kind of like a town cop, yes? He dies if he hides in scum, so he can't share who scum is, just who town is.

Yes, a hider also gets killed if the person they are hiding behind dies.

 

[Verelios]

Oh come on, for the dramatic effect. Isn't it much more fun if the reader goes "Wait, did he just...?"? Builds up the tension more.

Not in a thunderdome, no.