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Arrested Development |OT| Season 4 - May 26 - Netflix Unmakes A Huge Mistake

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Can't wait to watch again. Great season.

Favorite bit so far might be the really long narration in real time with George-Michael, Maeby, and Michael; and then again with Rebel I think.
 

Hindle

Banned
Anyone else not really laughing as much with the new EPS? Ive just finished EP 6, and I've only found Tobias episode to be funny.

George SR getting two episodes was a mistake IMO, hes the weakest character from a comedy perspective.

Storyline wise the show is genius, very layered and smart.
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Anyone else not really laughing as much with the new EPS? Ive just finished EP 6, and I've only found Tobias episode to be funny.

George SR getting two episodes was a mistake IMO, hes the weakest character from a comedy perspective.

Storyline wise the show is genius, very layered and smart.

I think the main problem with the show is that the majority of the comedy now comes from the plot structure rather than the interactions between the family members. Obviously it still has the same wit but it's quite obvious that they just couldn't really get more than 2 or 3 actors together at one time with the exception of the post-Queen Mary scene and the one with the family in Lucille's apartment. Characters are greenscreened in all over the place. It must have been a nightmare to get this made.

Hopefully the fact that it did get made means there is a chance they will all commit to a more traditional season 5. What they've done here is a smart way to revive the show but this format can't really be repeated.
 

Hindle

Banned
I think the main problem with the show is that the majority of the comedy now comes from the plot structure rather than the interactions between the family members. Obviously it still has the same wit but it's quite obvious that they just couldn't really get more than 2 or 3 actors together at one time with the exception of the post-Queen Mary scene and the one with the family in Lucille's apartment. Characters are greenscreened in all over the place. It must have been a nightmare to get this made.

Hopefully the fact that it did get made means there is a chance they will all commit to a more traditional season 5. What they've done here is a smart way to revive the show but this format can't really be repeated.

Exactly. The new format really shows some characters are only funny when they're a part of the whole if you get me. George SR and Lindsey basically.
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Exactly. The new format really shows some characters are only funny when they're a part of the whole if you get me. George SR and Lindsey basically.

I think we all agree on that, but Hurwitz and co all know it too.

'Family first...unless there's a work thing'

That's basically the mantra for this season.
 
I would just like to say Will Arnett and David Cross are phenomenal actors.
Especially Will Arnett. He is fucking superb in his episodes.

I want more Arrested Development just so these 2 guys get the material that they deserve.
 

Uncle

Member
Wonder if there's any significance to the movie poster that's prominent in George Michael's dorm, haven't seen it discussed yet. It's a poster for Almodovar's "Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!" which I don't know much about.imdb, a mental hospital patient is released and kidnaps a porn actress. Anyone seen it? I've only seen one or two Almodovar.

I thought it was a reference to the spanish woman who was obviously into some rougher stuff, kind of like the Les Cousins Dangereux poster was about Maeby. Did the spanish woman even say atame before she told him to make her cry?
 
I just watched Gob's episode. I think it was 11.

I was crying of laughter. It hurt so bad. It's my favorite this season so far. Dat finger lick. O_________o
 
Finished episode 14. I'm so excited to see what happens next but I'm also sad that it's about to end. I'm trying to milk it for all its worth right now.

Here's my updated rankings off of the first watch:

Episode 1 - Michael: B-
Episode 2 - George Sr: C+
Episode 3 - Lindsay: B+
Episode 4 - Michael: C+
Episode 5 - Tobias: A
Episode 6 - George Sr: A
Episode 7 - Gob: A+
Episode 8 - Lindsay: A+
Episode 9 - Tobias: A+
Episode 10 - Lucille: B+
Episode 11 - Gob: A+
Episode 12 - Maeby: A+
Episode 13 - George Michael: A+
Episode 14 - Buster: A


Overall this season is just phenomenal. However the payoff for the jokes and plot doesn't really start until episode 5, and I think that's what holds this season back just a little bit.

It's really a testament to the genius of Hurwitz and the cast/editors that they were able to retain the spirit of the original series through a completely different format. We can't even count the number of shows that will completely lose track of themselves by the third or fourth season, and that's with just 6 or so months of a gap. But 7 years?? And on an untested format? The fact that they pulled out of these potential caveats and made it work for them is just unbelievable. Absolutely unreal.

The key difference between season 4 and its predecessors is that the former is really just one giant episode with individual puzzle pieces that need to be connected. The original three seasons are very episodic as well but each episode by itself is much more approachable, and can stand on its own regardless of how attuned the viewer is to the overall plot. These episodes however will completely stump a new viewer who wasn't watching the series originally. The fact that they closed the season off to non-fans however gives the season incentive to be smarter, more ambitious, more confusing, and more referential to its past. And the new season utilizes these strengths to the fullest.

It took four or so episodes to get used to the longer scenes, and to get used to the fact that it's okay to go 20-30 seconds without a laugh. That old TV 20 minute format forced the show to be faster and quippier than it maybe needed to be, and that fast energy is lost with these episodes. By episode 5 however you start reeling in its strengths and validating its weaknesses.

As mentioned, my only real criticism of the new season is its approachability to non-fans. Since every episode after 3 or 4 is heavily reliant on the assumption that you've watched the preceding episodes, if you miss a beat you're most likely going to miss a joke. More importantly perhaps, if you lose any attention to detail in this season you're probably going to miss a very important revelation later on pertaining to the plot.

The story is large and complex and it jumps back and forth through time and interconnects on such an intricate level that re-watches are sort of mandatory now. However I wonder now how many more jokes I'll get from the earlier episodes now that I understand every little background noise and cue. Is the loss of that mystery a good thing because of the gained insight I have, or will it drain the experience as nothing more than just background noises that I can identify? I'm excited to see how different the experience will be the second time.

There are still plenty of plot holes that I haven't filled in yet since I haven't watched the finale, but overall I think the show does a good job of pacing its plot for the viewer. We'll see how much clearer the bigger picture is by episode 15.
 

Slacker

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Dudes, here's something I just thought of:

Info:
- Rebel reminds Michael of his late wife (red hair, etc.)
- Rebel is an illegitimate child of Ron Howard and ____? We don't know who.
- Ron Howard suggests Rebel for the part even though he doesn't really know Michael's late wife... or does he?
- Ron Howard says: "You know her." Like Michael should know her. Sure she's an actress but one of... not necessarily huge renown, right? so why else might Michael know her?

And a big(?) one:
- Ron Howard also says: "You probably think I'm terrible for even mentioning her to you."


Theory:
- Rebel Alley is the child of Ron Howard and Tracey Bluth
- George Michael is in love with someone related to him again (not cousin... sister? half sister?)

I don't doubt the possibility that the writers could concoct some kind of connection, but everything here is easily explained. Saying "you know her" is obviously Ron assuming that everyone knows who she is because she's (in his eyes) such a great actress, although not that great at PSAs (It's "text and drive" and we're going to need a "don't" in there).

"You probably think I'm terrible for even mentioning her to you" is obviously meaning "you probably think I'm just letting you make this movie so my daughter can star in it." Remember that the wife wouldn't even be in the movie except at Ron's insistence (I think it'd be more fun to see her die).
 

Fantastical

Death Prophet
Dudes, here's something I just thought of:

Info:
- Rebel reminds Michael of his late wife (red hair, etc.)
- Rebel is an illegitimate child of Ron Howard and ____? We don't know who.
- Ron Howard suggests Rebel for the part even though he doesn't really know Michael's late wife... or does he?
- Ron Howard says: "You know her." Like Michael should know her. Sure she's an actress but one of... not necessarily huge renown, right? so why else might Michael know her?

And a big(?) one:
- Ron Howard also says: "You probably think I'm terrible for even mentioning her to you."


Theory:
- Rebel Alley is the child of Ron Howard and Tracey Bluth
- George Michael is in love with someone related to him again (not cousin... sister? half sister?)
Something like this crossed my mind too. I think it's odd that now they show Tracey, and she had red hair and Rebel has red hair.

But it would also be crazy if GM fucked his half sister.
 

strobogo

Banned
Episodes 1 and 2 are definitely better on the second viewing. GM talking about Fakeblock, Michael seeing Tony Wonder at the top of the stairs, seeing the sweat box picture at the church on Craig's List. Everything that makes no sense the first time you watch them now has built in jokes.
 
Episodes 1 and 2 are definitely better on the second viewing. GM talking about Fakeblock, Michael seeing Tony Wonder at the top of the stairs, seeing the sweat box picture at the church on Craig's List. Everything that makes no sense the first time you watch them now has built in jokes.

It also has the most obscure Aaron Sorkin joke in TV (lol) history.
 

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
Dudes, here's something I just thought of:

Info:
- Rebel reminds Michael of his late wife (red hair, etc.)
- Rebel is an illegitimate child of Ron Howard and ____? We don't know who.
- Ron Howard suggests Rebel for the part even though he doesn't really know Michael's late wife... or does he?
- Ron Howard says: "You know her." Like Michael should know her. Sure she's an actress but one of... not necessarily huge renown, right? so why else might Michael know her?

And a big(?) one:
- Ron Howard also says: "You probably think I'm terrible for even mentioning her to you."


Theory:
- Rebel Alley is the child of Ron Howard and Tracey Bluth
- George Michael is in love with someone related to him again (not cousin... sister? half sister?)

Holy crap, it might be an ostretch, but that would be super epic. And gross lol

Um. By that logic didn't Michael do the same with his daughter then?

How is babby formed? No it wouldn't be his biological daughter duh. It'd just be weird cause it's his wife's daughter.

Edit: also I just saw Gene Parmesean as the guest villain on an episode of SVU :p
 
Thats an absurd theory about Tracey. Rebel is an illegitimate child of Ron Howard, which is why she was conceived in an alley, "we dont talk about her" is a joke because shes illegitimate, I think its implied thats common knowledge.
 

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
Thats an absurd theory about Tracey. Rebel is an illegitimate child of Ron Howard, which is why she was conceived in an alley, "we dont talk about her" is a joke because shes illegitimate, I think its implied thats common knowledge.

Ya as crazily crazy as that theory would be I think this is right
 

big ander

Member
I thought it was a reference to the spanish woman who was obviously into some rougher stuff, kind of like the Les Cousins Dangereux poster was about Maeby. Did the spanish woman even say atame before she told him to make her cry?
I think she said "tomame" which is "take me" but either way you're probably right that it's merely a reference to his affair. I was just wondering if anybody had seen the movie, if it had any more explicit plot stuff like Les Cousins Dangereux always had.
 

JCX

Member
Finished watching on Monday. Quick observations:

- Not as consistent
funny as the original seasons, likely because the cast couldn't get together
- best episodes: Gob 2, Lucille, Maeby, Lindsay
- Storytelling method is still blowing my mind. It really is more a long movie than a series
- I Enjoyed the new running gags a lot more than the old ones, just because a few seemed a bit forced.
-Too much narration
 

Geek

Ninny Prancer
Thats an absurd theory about Tracey. Rebel is an illegitimate child of Ron Howard, which is why she was conceived in an alley, "we dont talk about her" is a joke because shes illegitimate, I think its implied thats common knowledge.

Well, apparently Michael did name one of the streets in Sudden Valley after his own wife (Tracey Lane, I think), so maybe there's something there... ?
 

Slacker

Member
Thats an absurd theory about Tracey. Rebel is an illegitimate child of Ron Howard, which is why she was conceived in an alley, "we dont talk about her" is a joke because shes illegitimate, I think its implied thats common knowledge.

Well, apparently Michael did name one of the streets in Sudden Valley after his own wife (Tracey Lane, I think), so maybe there's something there... ?

I can't figure out what connection you're making. Are you assuming that Tracey's name is Tracy Lane? All we know for sure is that's the street name in Sudden Valley. Similarly, George Michael's last name isn't Street or Boulevard (I can't remember what it was). :p We don't know Tracey's maiden name as far as I know.
 

Mariolee

Member
I can't figure out what connection you're making. Are you assuming that Tracey's name is Tracy Lane? All we know for sure is that's the street name in Sudden Valley. Similarly, George Michael's last name isn't Street or Boulevard (I can't remember what it was). :p We don't know Tracey's maiden name as far as I know.

What? No, we're saying the street was named after Tracy, her first name only, and of course since every street needs type of street at the end of the name, the street is called Tracy Lane. It's hard to explain because it's such a simple idea lol
 

Slacker

Member
What? No, we're saying the street was named after Tracy, her first name only, and of course since every street needs type of street at the end of the name, the street is called Tracy Lane. It's hard to explain because it's such a simple idea lol

I understand that part. ;) I don't understand how Geek is connecting that to Rebel.
 

big ander

Member
Oh wow, I just saw all the George Maharis/Perfecto Telles and LEM Depardieu stuff. Amazing.

Also didn't catch Johnny Bark's death. I didn't remember how Marky said he died, so when we saw Johnny later in the season I thought they were setting up showing us his death soon, having it be a plot point for Gob somehow. But this way was much better.

P-Hound doesn't get enough praise. Enjoy your war pizza! And I'm seeing some people didn't like Debrie? I thought she was pretty awesome. Not as great as Slattery, who takes just minutes of screentime and makes them some of the most hilarious of the entire season. Debrie was probably tied with Marky Bark, that faceblindness joke really is too good.

oh a random comment: I freakin hate whenever a revival of anything happens and Firefly fans are like "now Firefly should come back!" Firefly did come back. Your fan campaigns for revival all lead to Serenity, which flopped big time. Deal with it.

Guess people are still a little unsure about George Sr.'s chemical imbalance, I think it's pretty heavily implied it has something to do with the macca being downhill from the portapotty and Norman putting something down that toilet. There was a drug in seasons 1-3 that did that right? Wasn't Teamocil or Euphorazine.

I've already seen (broken) yt links to it, and I'm sure this one has been posted too, but I'm enjoying the finale song a lot. http://music-mix.ew.com/2013/05/28/arrested-development-song-boomerang-lucy-schwartz/
 
A friend just pointed out that Sally Sitwell has the same hairless condition as her father, which completely flew over my head the first time I watched that scene of her in bed with Tony Wonder. My mind exploded.

And don't forget what character she played in Friends:

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P-Hound doesn't get enough praise. Enjoy your war pizza! And I'm seeing some people didn't like Debrie? I thought she was pretty awesome. Not as great as Slattery, who takes just minutes of screentime and makes them some of the most hilarious of the entire season. Debrie was probably tied with Marky Bark, that faceblindness joke really is too good.

I love DeBree (sp?) but I am huge fan of Maria Bamford. "Just let me die!" was one of my favorite lines of the season.
 

big ander

Member
Anyone mind linking me to the explanations about those names? I skipped across it and can't find it any more.
George Michael chooses George Maharis thinking he's distancing himself from the stigma of his actual name when it turns out there's a real George Maharis:
"George Maharis Arrested in Men's Room", Gay Scene, December 1974: "Famous Hollywood actor George Maharis was arrested November 21 and charged with committing a sex act with a hairdresser in the men's room of a gas station in Los Angeles... He was booked on a sex perversion charge along with Perfecto Telles, 33, the hairdresser, and released on $500 bail, according to police." An earlier guilty plea for a Hollywood lewd conduct arrest on 15 December 1967 with a male is also documented.
So not only is the name exactly what he's trying to get away from, but it's linked to Perfecto. Which is perfecto.
I love DeBree (sp?) but I am huge fan of Maria Bamford. "Just let me die!" was one of my favorite lines of the season.

Same, perfect delivery. I also loved (and I'll mess up the exact wording):
Debrie: ...I need a tylenol with codeine, or maybe some morphine
Tobias: No drugs Debrie. You get back on that horse!
Debrie: That would work too!
 
Gob Episode 2 is so good. lol. I agree it's most like an older episode of the show. Arnett and Stiller work so well together.

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I love the little anns but I don't know. I definitely laughed more in the backend than the front end, but overall it wasn't satisfying.

Fixed that for you.
 

Divius

Member
George Michael chooses George Maharis thinking he's distancing himself from the stigma of his actual name when it turns out there's a real George Maharis:

So not only is the name exactly what he's trying to get away from, but it's linked to Perfecto. Which is perfecto.
Right, that was it. Thanks!

edit: Starting my first rewatch tonight.
 
Reading through AV Club's first set of detailed episode-by-episode reviews makes me appreciate how much better it's going to be the second time around. There's so much to digest.

Can anyone ever fully grasp and appreciate AD on the first viewing? It's pretty much impossible. I wasn't even totally crazy about Season 2 the first time I saw it (as it originally aired on FOX), and now I think it's probably the best of the original three seasons.

I just hope the folks who were really turned off by Season 4 give it another go. I think its reception has nowhere to go but up.
 

strobogo

Banned
Oh, Lindsay's episode. The Maeby Shaman tells her to taker her head out of the sand. Next scene has the ostrich. Then at GM's birthday/graduation, she says she's not a whore and only gets paid after the disgusting thing. Lol. You can also see his shorts when the "tourist" gets hit by the bus in India.
 
Reading through AV Club's first set of detailed episode-by-episode reviews makes me appreciate how much better it's going to be the second time around. There's so much to digest.

Can anyone ever fully grasp and appreciate AD on the first viewing? It's pretty much impossible. I wasn't even totally crazy about Season 2 the first time I saw it (as it originally aired on FOX), and now I think it's probably the best of the original three seasons.

I just hope the folks who were really turned off by Season 4 give it another go. I think its reception has nowhere to go but up.

It's why all the knee jerk reactions are comical. I've already seen a couple major reviewers go back on what they said. You'd think they'd know better by now.
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
Just started a whole rewatch. Season 5 can be awesome if they get everyone actually together. Better happen sooner then later.
 
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