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Arrow S5 |OT| You thought you were out, but Manu Bennett pulls you back in.
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Razgriz-Specter
Member
Im fine with them but this specific issue I didn't trust Arrow to handle well.
I was fearing the hypocrite Oliver and Huntress type thing.
But it worked.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Imo Arrow is carrying the entire CWverse this season.
Come on everyone we really gotta keep spreading the word that Arrow is back,
if not better than it ever was.
dead souls
Member
Absolutely wonderful. Those Wild Dog flashbacks had me shook. I thought they were leading to him getting killed off by the end of the episode.
Crisis averted.
Crisis averted.
Raylan Targaryen
Member
for those concerned about the show being political they should work on not being a dumbass.
dude is the mayor, he should try to do his job from time to time outside of having a terrible statue built to honor laurel
Yo I've been telling people who fell off with season 3 and kinda were iffy on 4
This shit byke!
Boogalogist
Member
And here I was.....longing for Dolph before the start of this episode...who would've thought it would turn out to be one of the best Arrow episodes.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Did we really get a 10 second vigilante clip? Lol
Legit want to see more of him
The week after next.
http://www.greenarrowtv.com/arrow-spoilers-fighting-fire-with-fire-description/
Back-In-Black
Banned
As I said, I thought the episode before was pure garbage that made almost zero sense. But, this episode. Fucking great. Finally, Oliver a Mayor is treated seriously and people start acting logically. For once, we get a problem that Oliver as Arrow cannot solve but actually requires him to step up and be the Mayor he was fucking elected to be. Now, the politics were a bit like an after school special but I'll take it over the nothing we usually get.
If this episode is a "vegetable" then fill my plate up with more vegetables, candy is rotten and shouldn't be consumed in large quantities. This was an episode with a strong theme, strong characterizations complete with flashbacks that were actually relevant to the theme of the episode, and a plot where characters acted logically to the actions that played out. I would only ding the actual politics for playing it too close with the "both sides" dynamic. Just take a damn stance. But, still better than anything we usually get.
If this episode is a "vegetable" then fill my plate up with more vegetables, candy is rotten and shouldn't be consumed in large quantities. This was an episode with a strong theme, strong characterizations complete with flashbacks that were actually relevant to the theme of the episode, and a plot where characters acted logically to the actions that played out. I would only ding the actual politics for playing it too close with the "both sides" dynamic. Just take a damn stance. But, still better than anything we usually get.
serenewarfare
Banned
That's not how I read it at all. If anything, that interview suggests to me that he's not going to stop killing.
They are promising not to do the binary thing, so he has to keep killing, but at the same time, that might lead to repercussions.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Another good one in what might be Arrow's strongest season in a shocking turnaround if it keeps up. It got a little too "after school special" as said before but Oliver Queen should be more political anyway.
Kinda glad I'm not the only one who felt this way. It was still a good episode overall, but I definitely caught that vibe of when I was a kid watching an episode of my favorite cartoon... and all of the characters just turn to the camera and say "let's take a moment to talk about global warming..." or whatever. Still a great episode, and this season has been nothing but hot fire, but it was slightly jarring.
MikeBreezy92
Member
I think the only reason people may have found the episode weird was due to the fact that it was on the nose, but tbh, to do an episode like this you kinda have to.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Two things that stick out:
1. The 2D cityscape in the office shots lol
2. The signs at the vigil "Justice for victims" "GONE but not forgotten". Lololol at least put some effort
THEY DIDN'T KILL GOATDOG, VICTORY
1. The 2D cityscape in the office shots lol
2. The signs at the vigil "Justice for victims" "GONE but not forgotten". Lololol at least put some effort
THEY DIDN'T KILL GOATDOG, VICTORY
Jorok Goldblade
Member
I think this episode stopped his death clock. He's going to get a happy ending where he gets his daughter back and hangs up the hockey mask to be a dad.
Another moment that made me giggle was the conversation about how no one talking to each other is maybe what's wrong with the country, an argument that came across as massively reductive. I suppose it's a credit to everyone involved that the episode still came off fairly well, despite the sledgehammer writing. Oh, and Oliver's gun control bill, which we learn absolutely nothing about but it seems to be some miracle cure? That's television for you, I guess.
Yeah. There is never a good way to handled a topic with real world significance without being soapboxy. Or at least appearing so to a large part of your audience.
It is pretty much the nature of the beast.
The best thing is he wouldn't even have to leave the show, he's got a day job in the Mayor's office.
Septimus Prime
Member
It probably would have been better if they'd actually shared what was in that magic resolution that would make everyone happy. "Hey, we wrote the perfect compromise." And then we don't know what they think that is.
That struck me more as something that the writers knew they could never explain convincingly so they didn't bother.
From Guggenheim:
Side note: I loved The Practice. Boston Legal was even better. Which Arrow/Flash's Andrew Kreisberg wrote on!
Let's be honest. You can't write a bad show if you have William Shatner and James Spader hamming it up.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Why hasn't Shatner appeared anywhere in the Arrowverse yet?
Dude watches Flash and everything.
Dude watches Flash and everything.
He needs to appear in every universe. First The 100 though as he started with that show.
Yeah this sort of thing can be done well (Star Trek has done it pretty well a lot of times) but it just felt like they were beating the message over my head and just felt so out of place with the rest of the show.
And yeah I think describing it as a kid's cartoon where they just turn to you and talk to you is pretty spot on.
Septimus Prime
Member
I get it (I also really liked The Practice), but I also think the writers would have been better off taking a stand here, especially when the episode even goes out of its way to call out Oliver for not having an opinion one way or another.
As is, the episode just seems to meander off and highlight that a compromise solution is impossible. The problem is that, instead of outright saying so, it just pretends a solution exists (again, while showing us that it doesn't) and then slaps us in the face even more by implying that it's so trivial that it needs not even be explained.
It feels a bit problematic to find the right topic for The Flash. Sexism in modern society is easy for Supergirl, Sexism and racism through time is a perfect fit for Legends, gun violence and vigilantism fits with Arrow.
Animal abuse?
Is good because otherwise they might become sentient sharks?
broncobuster
Banned
The Flash will tackle texting while driving.
Dirtyshubb
Member
Maybe they could take out some time one episode to have the team discuss the need for critical thinking to Barry to teach us all a lesson
Well, they keep beating animals, likes gorillas and sharks
Texting while running.
Well those animals should stop having such punch able faces
Back-In-Black
Banned
Like I already said, the "both sides" bullshit doesn't fly with me, that kind of crap is the reason Trump got elected. If your going to go political then have the courage to take a fucking stand otherwise what exactly is the point of doing such an episode? I really liked the episode but if all their "political" episodes are going to be "both sides" bullshit then they should just stick to making candy.
oh relax
MikeBreezy92
Member
There wasn't a both sides to the episode at all.
More than one argument was brought up but it wasn't like anyone pro-gun was seen in the right and even the councilwoman was seen as obstructive and could potentially be brought back to screw with Mayor Oliver. Oliver clearly leaned Gun regulation and the show mostly did too as everyone who was pro-gun(besides Dinah) was seen as almost irresponsible or bureaucratic. The thing is, you just heard arguments from every side. That's it.
The Bill or whatever itself was gun regulation period. The episode knew where it stood, it just let you hear all of the arguments first.
More than one argument was brought up but it wasn't like anyone pro-gun was seen in the right and even the councilwoman was seen as obstructive and could potentially be brought back to screw with Mayor Oliver. Oliver clearly leaned Gun regulation and the show mostly did too as everyone who was pro-gun(besides Dinah) was seen as almost irresponsible or bureaucratic. The thing is, you just heard arguments from every side. That's it.
The Bill or whatever itself was gun regulation period. The episode knew where it stood, it just let you hear all of the arguments first.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
It had the word "freedom" on it
Oh the best kind of freedom The AMERICAN kind
Back-In-Black
Banned
No it didn't. It cleanly presented both sides and while at times seemed to favor increased gun regulation, backed off to show the other side. Dinah was pro-gun. Councilwoman was pro-gun and the show did not present her as evil, just someone standing for what she believed in. And, WildDog was pro-gun. Nobody changes their opinions by the end of the episode. Even WildDog's backstory suggests that if he had his gun on him like he wanted then his wife wouldn't have died, and that without the gun in his home he and his daughter might be dead.
At the end, Oliver comes up with a compromise. What is this magic compromise that compliments both sides? Ssshhh, you don't need to know, all you need to know is that both sides are happy with it. The episode was as clear of a "both sides" type of deal as it could be. FFS the episode even insinuates that the reason the way the world is the way it is, is because both sides don't talk anymore. Not that, you know, one side is literally racist, Nazis.