Raylan Targaryen
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People don't talk to each other anymore because people are too fragile to have their thoughts and beliefs challenged. This was an issue way before nazis took over the country.
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Arrow S5 |OT| You thought you were out, but Manu Bennett pulls you back in.
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People don't talk to each other anymore because people are too fragile to have their thoughts and beliefs challenged. This was an issue way before nazis took over the country.
MikeBreezy92
Member
Dianh barely had an opinion in the episode and was mainly just the info dump about guns in general. The Councilwoman was presented as bureaucratic and someone that Oliver is gonna have to deal with later it seems.
Wild Dog's flashback was ambiguous. We just see what happens that gives him his point a view. At the end of the day, his wife and daughter were taken away from him because of guns. He saved his daughter's life, but because he wasn't supposed to have one in the first place, he doesn't have his daughter anymore either.
Now this part of your post irked me a bit. I feel like you're transplanting on issues when it concerns with racism and such to gun laws which aren't 1:1. I agree with you that the both sides needing to talk is eye roll worthy(because we talk all the fucking time smh) and the only thing I didn't like about the episode, but Gun Laws in America is a much more middling subject than the air of racism and fascism that we're dealing with right now. Rene himself by the end of the episode turned into Pro-Gun/Pro-Reg by the end of the episode in order to even come up with a compromise that the councilwoman would be willing to work with.
Some subjects shouldn't be tolerated and shouldn't have a both side slant to them, but gun laws as it pertains to america and its culture and society warrant that at the very least because of how complicated and entrenched the issue is. Fascism and Racism should be so black and white that it shouldn't have to be a conversation about it. Don't conflate the two.
Back-In-Black
Banned
The Councilwoman acting bureaucratic is exactly what she's supposed to be doing, she's a bureaucrat and so is Oliver if his thick head would accept the fact that he's a politician now. That said, while I agree that gun regulation isn't the same as something like racism in America there are certain aspects where there is clearly a right or wrong side. The episode wasn't interested in taking ANY side it just wallowed in letting each side have their argument and then declaring peace. It's not that these characters that were pro-gun were just opposed to a registry it's that they were opposed to pretty much ANY type of gun regulation.
We used to have a Federal Assault Weapons ban before Bush did away with it, and even WildDog wouldn't agree that the ban was right or effective. At the end, we're simply told the councilwoman accepts this compromise but are told nothing about what it is. Take a stand and tell us what some reasonable regulation would look like, increased background checks? Mandatory safety courses? Anything?
If the Arrow writers were writing Star Trek every episode would end with the Captain going, "I agree with both sides, now I propose magic compromise," which everyone is immediately happy with. Fuck, even Captain Kirk would likely take a hard stance on gun regulation.
MikeBreezy92
Member
Those aren't mutually exclusive lol
A bureaucrat wouldn't argue against more government.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Season 1 Oliver would have dressed up as the Green Arrow and threatened the councilwoman to change her vote. This show is a rollercoaster ride, I swear.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Shot of Dinah in costume in the new trailer -
Basically her street clothes, but with a mask, gloves and bo staff.
https://youtu.be/r7VzwwSCpVk?t=15s
Basically her street clothes, but with a mask, gloves and bo staff.
https://youtu.be/r7VzwwSCpVk?t=15s
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I've been too scared to check the Arrow subreddit for reactions.
Septimus Prime
Member
I personally only think the "magic compromise" is the problem. With a nuanced issue like what was shown, I think it's perfectly reasonable to present both sides of the argument (even though I, personally, think one side is wrong), but to just wrap it up tidily without even hinting about what that compromise was is worse than just leaving things without resolution. It implies that the issue is easy/possible to resolve in such a manner, when clearly it is far from it in real life.
I get that it's a fantasy world anyway, but that actually introduces another problem, where everyone is acting completely out of character for just this one episode. We've had plenty of people get gunned down throughout the seasons, but just this particular time, everyone gets all bent out of shape? What? And Thea, especially. Given what she's already faced down in the last few years, now she's completely shook when guns go off in her general vicinity?
I get that it's a fantasy world anyway, but that actually introduces another problem, where everyone is acting completely out of character for just this one episode. We've had plenty of people get gunned down throughout the seasons, but just this particular time, everyone gets all bent out of shape? What? And Thea, especially. Given what she's already faced down in the last few years, now she's completely shook when guns go off in her general vicinity?
TheGreatDirector
Banned
He meant on him. His wife convinced him to leave it in the safe.
The best TV approach is actually to take a stance that explicitly pisses off every side.
Yeah but when he grabbed it back she was still alive
BluenoseGames
Member
Just watched 5x12 and I'm really starting to like the new Canary.
Still want more Katie Cassidy though.
Still want more Katie Cassidy though.
just caught up with this Very Special Episode of Arrow
I thought the commentary was a little heavy-handed in places, but mostly they did a good job. Rene is definitely the best of the recruits this season.
Here's a question. Artemis has been gone for weeks. Has anybody missed her?
I thought the commentary was a little heavy-handed in places, but mostly they did a good job. Rene is definitely the best of the recruits this season.
Here's a question. Artemis has been gone for weeks. Has anybody missed her?
I'm definitely down to see her again. There's finally some interesting story to tell. She was the weakest of the recruits and now we know why, it'll be nice to see Oliver give her a dressing down. And then a stern talking to.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
He probably thinks he could have got the jump on him if he had it on him.
Just caught up.
So we're the West Wing now. Definitely appreciated their foray into politics.
Curtis's stance of us needing to speak about politics more, not less, I feel is dead on for American society and I'm pretty sure I've said as much on GAF. I hope that this signals a shift for the series.
Though Oliver is a liberal mayor, and Green Arrow historically a liberal super hero, a completely liberal solution to guns isn't something that even a fictional mayor of a city is going to win. Even though it's left undescribed, in a real world where Sandy Hook failed to change anything, any move towards control on Oliver's part counts as a huge win that we cannot achieve in the real world.
So we're the West Wing now. Definitely appreciated their foray into politics.
Curtis's stance of us needing to speak about politics more, not less, I feel is dead on for American society and I'm pretty sure I've said as much on GAF. I hope that this signals a shift for the series.
Though Oliver is a liberal mayor, and Green Arrow historically a liberal super hero, a completely liberal solution to guns isn't something that even a fictional mayor of a city is going to win. Even though it's left undescribed, in a real world where Sandy Hook failed to change anything, any move towards control on Oliver's part counts as a huge win that we cannot achieve in the real world.
Back-In-Black
Banned
Slow your roll, bud.
I assume he meant how the mayor stuff is played out, not quality.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Nabs
Member
Arrow is only taking that week off. I'm sure there'll be more breaks after ep 17, but we'll be eating until then.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Great episode. Possibly the most meaningful episode that Arrow has ever done. I liked that the different perspectives were fleshed out by experiences - mainly Wild Dog's. People don't just suddenly take a stance on political issues. They are often directly linked to personal experiences, values, and upbringing. And this episode did a great job in showing there are people behind all the loud voices on the news, who have their own reasons for what they believe.
- Mayor Queen, stepping up
- Thea is back and as sassy as ever
- Dinah and Diggle have way too damn much chemistry
- Wild Dog: Origins
- Mayor Queen, stepping up
- Thea is back and as sassy as ever
- Dinah and Diggle have way too damn much chemistry
- Wild Dog: Origins
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Na, a wig if they have to.
Frank the Great
Banned
Since Dinah is now a cop in the SCPD, won't she need a disguise?
Would be funny if a wig cut it.
Would be funny if a wig cut it.
Spot on!
This is a police department that doesn't recognize their own mayor because he wears a hood.
Hey he also wears a domino mask. That completely hides his face
Yeah and it's wild that Cat apparently doesn't know Supergirl isn't Kara even though literally all of Kara's friends and her sister are Supergirl's allies, while Maggie figured it out pretty quickly and pointed out the glasses don't work.
Has he? He's been arrested twice for being the Hood/Arrow. The Green Arrow is a uh... totally... different........ person......... apparently
Oh right right I forgot about that.
Probably figure that someone trying to one up a vigilante and do better makes a lot more sense than what is going on in Central City.
I swear these shows have got to be hurtling toward public identity at some point. There's all sorts of silly hand waves to justify all the secrets. Supergirl makes no sense. Wally has conversations close up without blurring his face on Flash. And so far Oliver has been The Hood, The Arrow, Al Sah-him, Green Arrow and a whole bunch of nicknames based on those.
Of course if he goes public in Arrow they'd have to hand wave all that killing he did, but it seems like a fair price to pay.
Of course if he goes public in Arrow they'd have to hand wave all that killing he did, but it seems like a fair price to pay.
I misread that as dressing gown and was confused.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Oliver: I am the Green Arrow
Press: What about The Hood?
Oliver: I DON'T KNOW HIM
Press: What about The Hood?
Oliver: I DON'T KNOW HIM
via TVLine
Interesting comparison choice, I don't think they would've picked it if Thea was going to share the same fate.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I think Thea is being written off the show. Not killed but written off. They reduced her role as hero a this season and then she took that trip off somewhere randomly. I could see them just saying that she wants to make her own way in the world outside of Oliver's shadow. Which makes sense. She's only 21 or 22, right? Why shouldn't she want to go college or something.
Killing her would be extremely cruel and unnecessary. She's the only family Oliver has.
Killing her would be extremely cruel and unnecessary. She's the only family Oliver has.
She went on a trip because Willa Holland is only contracted for 14 out of 22 episodes this year. They're definitely reducing her role, but with a show this age whether it's for story or money reasons it's hard to say.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I wouldn't be surprised if Willa gets one of those Arrowverse deals next year, with an initial string of episodes then one or two appearances later in the season.
Or send her over to Legends where she has to fight her Dad through time.
Or send her over to Legends where she has to fight her Dad through time.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Slade escapes his island prison. Thea grabs Wally and they recruit a team to track him down.
And released. They caught the right one, and released him twice.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I'd love if they could get Deathstroke back, but I'm not going to hold my breath unfortunately.