morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I'd struggle to call what Oliver does with women romance, personally.
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ARROW Season 2 |OT| Back in a Flash
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Plasticine
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What about Slade and Shado? Theirs was a romance for the ages. A love that will never die.
RellyRell28
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But you need to understand other people like Arrow better than GoT. I don't watch GoT at all and have no interest in watching it so I won't say which show is actually better. I do watch The Walking Dead though which is another highly popular well respected show and I think Arrow is by far a better show than that. TWD will always be more popular though and I understand that.
You can prefer arrow to GOT. But its still a cheesy action romance show with a lot of terrible acting. And its on the CW
Relaxed Muscle
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Nothing like creating a psychopath version of the girl who friendzoned you to be with you forever in your crazy little world.
Also I like GoT but I like Arrow more, but because I think Arrow is one of the best action show in ages.
Wiktor
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Comic book action is better pacing than long form epic as far as TV goes. One is just a lot more suited for this medium than the other.
I would take 1 episode of arrow over one entire season of TWD at all times.
I used to like TWD but after watching Arrow it's hard to go back.
TWD is so slow paced it's unbelievable.
According to who?
It is. And the characters are just horrible. And suddenly zombies appear out of directions people are straight looking at.
I don't know, with Arrow, I always know what I am in for each week and often it actually surprises me or makes me go "man i can't wait till next week". With other shows it's just "welp,guess this plot will go on for the whole season now...."
First off, TWD is not well respected - it's a pretty low tier show, regardless of how popular it is. Arrow is way, way better.
Arrow might even be more enjoyable than GoT for me, but from every technical standpoint GoT is by far the better show.
RellyRell28
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So what it's on CW doesn't mean it doesn't have potential to be a better show. Calling it a cheesy action romance show pretty ignorant also. You're telling me there's no romance in GoT. But it is what it is, you have your opinions and I disagree with them fully
Yeah, GoT is of course a fantastic show. It is miles ahead of Arrow in many,many things.
But one thing it never has for me is the feeling of progression and cliffhangers outside of the first season. Every other season after that one I don't care what really happened, tons of chracters ar ejust UGH and their plots are dumb and never move and the few "that was cool" scenes are so far apart I can't get hyped for anything.
GoT is the series I watch each week, Arrow is the series I look forward to all week.
RellyRell28
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Give Arrow GoT's budget and see what they do with it.
Pretty much how I felt about TWD
There's a lot wrong with this show. I still enjoy it. Agents of Shield isn't actually that bad anymore either, so that was hyperbole on my part. To say you're on an AoS high and that Arrow sucks is laughable though.
Either your bar is low and both shows are great, or your bar is high and both shows should be cancelled. There is no middle ground.
Either your bar is low and both shows are great, or your bar is high and both shows should be cancelled. There is no middle ground.
SlowRevolution
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isn't that poster just saying GoT moves fast, and Arrow moves really fast, especially considering the kind of show it is? why are these shows even being compared in the first place?
Honestly, I think you need to set your bar according to what you are watching. I can't use the same bar for GoT that I use for Arrow. The difference in budget alone makes it impossible.
I do think we can all agree that Arrow pulls off some surprising things for what it works with. I am always amazed at some of the action they pull off. Not always, but many many times. AoS I have to say lost me during the first 5-6 episodes, cause it just didn't do anything for me.
I think GoT moves quite slow actually. Not nearly as slow as TWD of course,but still a lot of it's plots have like,nothing happening at all really in the grand scheme of "changing things"
There's an element of power politics in GOT that goes way deeper than any of the tired tropes in shows like Arrow. I've watched both shows since day one. Mind you, I have my gripes with GOT. But its an HBO show and has that premium feel that you will rarely find on the networks
Wiktor
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According to me
GOT doesn't really have seasonal pacing. At this point it feels like they're just telling one big story and ending a season when they run out of episodes. And the complexity of it all means that during a single season most characters barely get developed, as they just have to split the airtime with too many people.As a whole comic books are much easier to adapt to TV format, because comics are already very similiar. New issues are released very often, each moving the overall story forward, but also each one having to deliver good story on it's own. Then the whole arc gets bundled together in paperback forum, bassicaly creating what a tv season is.
Books are different, especially the epic fantasy series. That's why you often get GoT episodes where you feel hardly anything happened. As all you get are short flashes of multiple viewpoints, with each moving just a step or two forward. When the show abandons this structure and focuses mostly on one palce (like Blackwater) it works a lot better, but the story doesn't let that focus last.
Bassicaly you can adapt comics to tv easily, close to 1:1 translation. With novels like ASoIaF (huge, not standalone volumnes, dozens of POV characters) the best you can hope for is to use brute force to squeeze an octopus into a barrell that's way to small to contain it. You will never succeed fully, the animal will get mishapen and will have to chop off anything that doesn't fit.
They can't waste such a good character imo. If Deathstroke joins the Suicide Squad and Oliver is forced to team up with him later on in the show, that could be an amazing dynamic to explore and could offer a lot of character development between the two. Especially since Slade might (somewhat) go back to his former self.
They already do excellent work with the limited budget they're on - I can't imagine what they'd do with GoT money.
There is like no romance in the seven kingdoms - there's a lot of sex, but hardly any of the cheesy love triangle stuff that goes on in Arrow.
Slow day.... but don't do that. We deserve better.
Wiktor
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Arrow goes for soap in terms of romance, while GoT goes for porn territory. It's not like either one is particularly impressive in area of love.
According to me
As a whole comic books are much easier to adapt to TV format, because comics are already very similiar. New issues are released very often, each moving the overall story forward, but also each one having to deliver good story on it's own. Then the whole arc gets bundled together in paperback forum, bassicaly creating what a tv season is.
Books are different, especially the epic fantasy series. That's why you often get GoT episodes where you feel hardly anything happened. As all you get are short flashes of multiple viewpoints, with each moving just a step or two forward. When the show abandons this structure and focuses mostly on one palce (like Blackwater) it works a lot better, but the story doesn't let that focus last.
Bassicaly you can adapt comics to tv easily, close to 1:1 translation. With novels like ASoIaF (huge, not standalone volumnes, dozens of POV characters) the best you can hope for is to use brute force to squeeze an octopus into a barrell that's way to small to contain it. You will never succeed fully, the animal will get mishapen and will have to chop off anything that doesn't fit.
Agree with a lot of this. I sometimes envy people who don't follow the show week to week and just marathon it.
Another thing honestly is that Arrow is also a lot more focused in what it delivers. Yes it has some B or C plots,but mostly you know what the series is about and which chracters show up. If I didn't like that,I wouldn't like the show and wouldn't watch it.
But with GoT, there are multiple plots I REALLY like and I watch the show for them,but honestly,half of the show I could not give a shit about. I hate the chracters,the settings,the plots,everything. So i tune in hoping that the stuff i like is shown and not the other stuff.
If I was reading the books,I'd skip like half the chapters.
But with GoT, there are multiple plots I REALLY like and I watch the show for them,but honestly,half of the show I could not give a shit about. I hate the chracters,the settings,the plots,everything. So i tune in hoping that the stuff i like is shown and not the other stuff.
If I was reading the books,I'd skip like half the chapters.
It's basically Game of Thrones with salmon ladders
Wiktor
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It has some romance, but it never overshadows the superhero stuff. And romance parts are only annoying in S1. In S2 this element is scaled back considerably and what's there works a lot better because it's less contrived and the guy gets better girls than in S1.
Still. this is a wild and fun show. Especially if you participate in this thread. Because GAF has managed to turn even some of truly terrible scenes into classics. And now all I can do while rewatching is laugh because those became inside jokes here. Like Welcome to a new age
pants
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Just one word for you "radioactive", that's all you need to know about romance on this show
Jorok Goldblade
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That would be interesting
IT'S HAPPENING
pants
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How many episodes did you watch? I was once like you I watched the first couple episodes and thought it was HOT shit, but when I gave it a second chance and stuck with it I realized just how fucking amazing it gets. Stick with it and finish the first season if you aren't hooked afterwards then bail out.
Don't oversell it bro.
Great. Are we going to have a combined topic or two topics? Considering the pace our discussions move, I hope we'll do two.
Those power politics have however been quite shallow in the show compared to its source material. They have lost quite a bit of thunder failing to show the intelligence of many characters. Littlefinger for instance is a character whose political power play has been massively downgraded.
Two different shows
Assume can be two different audiences
And for all we know, two different nights
Cornballer
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Two topics. I don't see a compelling reason to just have one unless I'm missing something.
Definitely two.
This thread moves too fast.
We have one for The Originals and The Vampire Diaries combined so I was just making sure we'd do otherwise for Arrow and The Flash.
Supermanisdead
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Hope Nightwing can show up in season 3
BurnOutBrighter
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I really think Slade has to die by the end of the season.
Having Slade cured of the Mirakuru and then arresting him and keeping him on ice until his inevitable prison break/suicide squad assignment would be a huge cop out.
Even if he does get cured and comes to his senses and redeems himself by saving Ollie from a piece of falling masonry or whatever, he needs to die.
Luckily the writers know to kill off major characters when it's important to the narrative - Yao Fei, Tommy, Shado, Moira etc. Hopefully they won't hold back on killing a major and popular villain for the advancement of the story.
As for Sara, she has to either die or leave Starling City. Maybe get called back into the League or something. They've heavily foreshadowed Laurel becoming a hero with her first arrow shot and involvement in team Arrow, and Sara dying or leaving will be the motivation she needs to pick up her title.
Having Slade cured of the Mirakuru and then arresting him and keeping him on ice until his inevitable prison break/suicide squad assignment would be a huge cop out.
Even if he does get cured and comes to his senses and redeems himself by saving Ollie from a piece of falling masonry or whatever, he needs to die.
Luckily the writers know to kill off major characters when it's important to the narrative - Yao Fei, Tommy, Shado, Moira etc. Hopefully they won't hold back on killing a major and popular villain for the advancement of the story.
As for Sara, she has to either die or leave Starling City. Maybe get called back into the League or something. They've heavily foreshadowed Laurel becoming a hero with her first arrow shot and involvement in team Arrow, and Sara dying or leaving will be the motivation she needs to pick up her title.
So Amell has already been on NCIS: LA. I was talking about that earlier.
Just because, damn.
Almost as good as bootleg Tom Hardy
This episode btw
Just because, damn.
Almost as good as bootleg Tom Hardy
This episode btw
Yup. I can see how they want to keep him alive because he's a complete bad ass but...he killed Moira in cold blood before Ollie's eyes. He teared Starling City apart. There should be no way in hell Olliver's gonna let him live. Perhaps the choice gets taken out of his hands but Ollie should kill him.
Nah. He will live.
WrenchNinja
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Killing Slade would not be right for Oliver's character. This whole season he's been trying to stop being the murderer Tommy thought he was. After everything Slade has done to Oliver, torment his friends and family, steal his company, murder his mother, destroy his city, Oliver has to bring him to justice, being his executioner wouldn't be that.
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