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[morningbus]

Another movie victim. Who's next?


I don't really see the point in crippling Felicity, what does it really do for her character? Batgirl couldnt be Batgirl anymore, that was a major thing for the character, Felicity used to sit at a computer and do stuff and now she....is gonna sit a computer and do stuff.

Also, as far as Ollie knows the lazarus pit still works right?

It raises the stakes between Oliver and Dahrk, mostly. She'll walk again and soon, I can guarantee it.

The lazarus pit was destroyed. There are probably more of them, but to his knowledge it's off the table.

 

[Stallion Dan]

It raises the stakes between Oliver and Dahrk, mostly. She'll walk again and soon, I can guarantee it.

The lazarus pit was destroyed. There are probably more of them, but to his knowledge it's off the table.

We know it is destroyed, but when did Ollie find out?

If the crippling is just to raise stakes it was lame, the getting shot and nearly dying was enough.

 

[ZeroX03]

#4.12 "Unchained" Extended Promo

Pretty tame promo considering it has

Spoiler

Nyssa, Roy and probably Katana

in it. I guess Aus and NZ are gonna have to double their spoilers to compensate.

 

[ameleco]

Big Belly Burger was the best part of the episode!

 

[carlsojo]

#4.12 "Unchained" Extended Promo

Pretty tame promo considering it has

Spoiler

Nyssa, Roy and probably Katana

in it. I guess Aus and NZ are gonna have to double their spoilers to compensate.

The Calculator reminds me of the Clock King and how much he needs to make another appearance ASAP.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

So these deaths are totally film mandated, right

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

What a small goddamn world. The Baron and Andy were tight.

 

[CryptiK]

This Diggle dying foreshadowing is really bad.

 

[Ghost]

DCs whole 'hey get those movie guys off the TV show' thing is so stupid.


Thought this was actually a better episode overall though, terrible claymore scene aside.

 

[MikeBreezy92]

So these deaths are totally film mandated, right

Feels that way.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

DCs whole 'hey get those movie guys off the TV show' thing is so stupid.


Thought this was actually a better episode overall though, terrible claymore scene aside.

DC has never been good at cross-medium marketing.

 

[ZeroX03]

So these deaths are totally film mandated, right

They still have to kill off Katana and write Waller out of the flashbacks (she's in charge of Oliver's island op remember) for me to assume that.

 

[Sandfox]

They still have to kill off Katana and write Waller out of the flashbacks (she's in charge of Oliver's island op remember) for me to assume that.

Waller could easily just never show up in a flashback again.

 

[CryptiK]

So these deaths are totally film mandated, right

Yep Batembargo is another example.

 

[ZeroX03]

Waller could easily just never show up in a flashback again.

In which case I'd agree there's probably an embargo, but she's the reason he's on the island and we know he takes at least one more trip off and then back there so it'd be very odd if she didn't show.

Guggenheim confirmed Deadshot was off the table within a few days of his death, we'll see.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

DCs whole 'hey get those movie guys off the TV show' thing is so stupid.


Thought this was actually a better episode overall though, terrible claymore scene aside.

Depends on the character.
Harley? Yeah don't waste her hype on Arrow.
Deadshot and Waller nobody is going to go out and pay to see a movie just for them. So in their case it's kinda stupid.

Watching that JL special on CW I realized I now kinda side with WB on some of this.
With the Flash tv series on I seriously couldn't give a shit about him getting a movie and I'm a huge Flash fan.

 

[Sandfox]

Depends on the character.
Harley? Yeah don't waste her hype on Arrow.
Headshot and Waller nobody is going to go out and pay to see a movie just for them. So in their case it's kinda stupid.

Watching that JL special on CW I realized I now kinda side with WB on some of this.
With the Flash tv series on I seriously couldn't give a shit about him getting a movie and I'm a huge Flash fan.

Watch WB send out a memo to kill off Barry leading up to the movie.

 

[CreeperBlocks]

I just realize those Afghanistan scenes were probably filmed at some sand pit site in British Columbia. :lol


I love low budget shit like that

 

[Volimar]

Hmm. Now I wonder if Felicity is in the grave and Ollie is hallucinating her.

 

[Nabs]

Hmm. Now I wonder if Felicity is in the grave and Ollie is hallucinating her.

What if Felicity took one too many pills and season 3 never happened.

 

[Volimar]

What if Felicity took one too many pills and season 3 never happened.

What if the island is Felicity?

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Watch WB send out a memo to kill off Barry leading up to the movie.

Jay as the lead please.

 

[Setsuna]

What the fuck is Warner Bros. doing?

 

[Chariot]

NO NO NO!

With the brother redeemed we now have three black guys on the good side on the show. This is beyound black guy critical mass, even killing off a black woman isn't cutting it. This probably means that Diggle is going to die, which is awful. He is (most of the time) my second favourite character on the Arrow side. Man :/

 

[jon bones]

i also wonder if this a sign of things to come re: The Flash

gotta prep myself for the worst: hopefully Riverdale is good so i get more CW and MCU puts those new shows out so i get more comic bookery

 

[strafer]

God, Goth Felicity is so sexy.

 

[Volimar]

God, Goth Felicity is so sexy.

She did really well on giving her a completely different personality too.

 

[strafer]

And I love that the picture she was burning was just a promo pic of her.

and I must be getting old because Emily is born in 1991

 

[samueeL]

For me this felt like absolutely the worst Arrow episode I've ever seen. I had to pick up my season 2 blu-ray and watch Deathstroke episode to feel better.

 

[Sölf]

Welp. I didn't expect that. But then again, Amanda Waller never really felt like, well, Amanda Waller. Heck, Person of Interest has a better Waller:

Maybe they should get her to play a new one. It can only be better.

 

[Chariot]

Welp. I didn't expect that. But then again, Amanda Waller never really felt like, well, Amanda Waller. Heck, Person of Interest has a better Waller:

Maybe they should get her to play a new one. It can only be better.

Nailed it.

 

[fallengorn]

Watch WB send out a memo to kill off Barry leading up to the movie.

WB is Zoom confirmed.

Maybe they should get her to play a new one. It can only be better.

Not sure if serious.

 

[Magwik]

Welp. I didn't expect that. But then again, Amanda Waller never really felt like, well, Amanda Waller. Heck, Person of Interest has a better Waller:

Maybe they should get her to play a new one. It can only be better.

That's not CCH Pounder
She already played Amanda Waller in Warehouse 13 aka secretly one of the best Science Fiction shows to date

 

[Chariot]

Not sure if serious.

Have you seen Person of Interest? She basically plays white Waller. If you don't care about her skin colour, she is the perfect candidate for my beloved pre-Nu 52 Waller.

 

[strafer]

Yeah, CCH Pounder is my Amanda Waller.

 

[fallengorn]

Have you seen Person of Interest? She basically plays white Waller. If you don't care about her skin colour, she is the perfect candidate for my beloved pre-Nu 52 Waller.

That's pretty much the problem. White people have enough roles as is.

 

[ZeroX03]

Can we not

 

[Chariot]

That's pretty much the problem. White people have enough roles as is.

I understand that, but it wouldn't be a problem to have another white character taking the Argus post and introduce a major black character somewhere else. As it is, Argus is probably taken over by Diggles white wife, so I don't know what your point is here. I don't say CCH Pounder couldn't do it, but that white actress did excellent work in Person of Interest in what was essentially the same role.

May also be partly because Person of Interest and it's characters are actually well written.

 

[Magwik]

Fun fact: CCH Pounder voiced Waller in Justice League: Unlimited

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

So is Mr. Fantastic not going to show up anymore or will he be the offscreen chauffeur?

 

[Johndoey]

Welp. I didn't expect that. But then again, Amanda Waller never really felt like, well, Amanda Waller. Heck, Person of Interest has a better Waller:

Maybe they should get her to play a new one. It can only be better.

A white Waller is not Waller.

Fun fact: CCH Pounder voiced Waller in Justice League: Unlimited

Exactly she's actually perfect for the role.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Fun fact: CCH Pounder voiced Waller in Justice League: Unlimited

She was also only one or two steps removed from Waller in her Warehouse 13 role.

Why they haven't cast her as a live-action Wall I'll never know.

(Not that I'm complaining about Squad, Viola Davis is one hell of a pick. I mean before that.)

 

[Urban Scholar]

So is Mr. Fantastic not going to show up anymore or will he be the offscreen chauffeur?

Yeah what happened? No fair play?

 

[Chariot]

A white Waller is not Waller.

Why not? Really, skin colour isn't too important for the character. Of course, it adds to her legacy (pre-new52) as a character that is in a powerful position despite having all odds stacked against her. Overweight, female, black and without superpowers in a world full of superpowered beings and people and even going as far as being able to threaten Batman, but her character doesn't hinge on her skin colour.

And no, I am not saying that she shouldn't be black, I am arguing for the wonderful acting of the actress in Person of Interest, that was so far my best experience with a liveaction Waller. Arrow Waller was just stupid, skinny and constantly taking L's.

 

[Plasticine]

Well, not bad for an episode that only existed to kill off a movie character. At least we got to see Goth Felicity, even if they killed her off too. Got to clear the decks for Death in the Sandman movie. Can't have anyone else sharing her look.

 

[morningbus]

Why can't white people make their own Amanda Waller?

Well, not bad for an episode that only existed to kill off a movie character. At least we got to see Goth Felicity, even if they killed her off too. Got to clear the decks for Death in the Sandman movie. Can't have anyone else sharing her look.

They also moved Diggle and his brother's relationship forward, which is important.

 

[strafer]

Angry and confused Felicity is the best.

 

[Johndoey]

Why not? Really, skin colour isn't too important for the character. Of course, it adds to her legacy (pre-new52) as a character that is in a powerful position despite having all odds stacked against her. Overweight, female, black and without superpowers in a world full of superpowered beings and people and even going as far as being able to threaten Batman, but her character doesn't hinge on her skin colour.

And no, I am not saying that she shouldn't be black, I am arguing for the wonderful acting of the actress in Person of Interest, that was so far my best experience with a liveaction Waller. Arrow Waller was just stupid, skinny and constantly taking L's.

Why the fuck would we take one of the few decent black characters in comics and get a white woman to portray her? Fucking really that shit makes sense to you? The fact that her skin color isn't brought up often is why her skin color is important to the character.

I mean shit good for you that you support white washing I suppose.

 

[fallengorn]

Yeah, I get that you dig what Camryn Manheim did in Person of Interest, but the idea of moving her in just so she's a more accurate Waller is sketchy at best. Just think about it, Waller dies, and we replace her with a better (whiter) Waller. That's fucked up.

You want to separate race out of the equation but that's impossible, especially for someone like Waller.

And really, they killed her off. What's done is done. They should just go in a different direction with the head of Argus. If they are even using them going forward.

 

[Chariot]

Why the fuck would we take one of the few decent black characters in comics and get a white woman to portray her? Fucking really that shit makes sense to you? The fact that her skin color isn't brought up often is why her skin color is important to the character.

Why do you twist my words? I don't want to take anything from you, Camryn Manheim is probably not swooping in and taking the role as reincarnated timelord Waller. Arrow had it's Waller and she seems to be dead for now and Lyla is probably taking over the post. As it is the role is lost, until it's revealed that that was just Argus robot double or if she is revived by something later on. Take a step back and think about the probability of me really asking to just introduce Amanda Waller 2.

My point was, since Soelf was posting her here, to appreciate Camryn Manheim's acting in a role so similiar to pre-New52 Amanda Waller that it was basically white Waller, while I didn't have much love for Arrow's skinny, stupid Waller. But, alas, it seems I am now whitewasher.

Yeah, I get that you dig what Camryn Manheim did in Person of Interest, but the idea of moving her in just so she's a more accurate Waller is sketchy at best. Just think about it, Waller dies, and we replace her with a better (whiter) Waller. That's fucked up.

You want to separate race out of the equation but that's impossible, especially for someone like Waller.

And really, they killed her off. What's done is done. They should just go in a different direction with the head of Argus. If they are even using them going forward.

I don't know if my understanding of grammar and vocabulary is worse than I thought, but all I wanted to express is that PoI Control was a better Waller than actual Arrow Waller. I don't think Amanda Waller is a timelord.