BewareTheBatsie
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Yeah I think Katie Cassidy and EBR are younger than their characters.
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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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brotkasten
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Just finished the episode. I really feel like tearing the episode apart, but the more I think about it, the more I notice that it wasn't actually bad. The character scenes were good, some of them even great. I really like the scene with Laurel and Oliver. They also handled Felicity well, despite the hallucination bullshit. Still, much better than expected. I even liked the scenes with Johnny and Andy, even though I previously didn't care about Andy at all. But they had some good moments in this episode.
But every scene involving some kind of action was garbage, especially at Argus. Afghanistan truck fight, Laurel, Oliver and Thea jumping down at the same time for no reason, walking in a situation where they shouldn't waste time, flipping a hidden switch so that the camera feed of the control room is being displayed inside the monitors of the cell, that final fight where, again, everyone is just dancing with a partner in a tight space where you can't do much, because there are just so many people in it and you need to show it all, a special forces soldier who could've easily shot Oliver when he came crashing down, but missed, Johnny's wife punching a mask.
Just so much little and stupid stuff that annoys me. I know it's all nitpicking and again, I'm not saying it was a bad episode, the show sucks or anything like that, but I feel like they're biting more off than they can chew with the action scenes. Tone it down and get less people involved.
You're insane if you think this episode was better than this week's Flash.
But every scene involving some kind of action was garbage, especially at Argus. Afghanistan truck fight, Laurel, Oliver and Thea jumping down at the same time for no reason, walking in a situation where they shouldn't waste time, flipping a hidden switch so that the camera feed of the control room is being displayed inside the monitors of the cell, that final fight where, again, everyone is just dancing with a partner in a tight space where you can't do much, because there are just so many people in it and you need to show it all, a special forces soldier who could've easily shot Oliver when he came crashing down, but missed, Johnny's wife punching a mask.
Just so much little and stupid stuff that annoys me. I know it's all nitpicking and again, I'm not saying it was a bad episode, the show sucks or anything like that, but I feel like they're biting more off than they can chew with the action scenes. Tone it down and get less people involved.
You're insane if you think this episode was better than this week's Flash.
It is a very small difference for Katie, Laurel is from 1985 and Katie from 1986. Caity is from 1986 too, but Sara is from 1987. Caity was born on the last days of the year, so it is not really a gap even. Felicity is from 1989, Emily from 1991. Thea is from 1995, Willa from 1991. Oliver is 1985, Stephen 1981. Diggle is 1977, David Ramsey 1971. Roy is from 1991 and Colton from 1988.
serenewarfare
Banned
Laurel is now the most logical and reasonable person on this show. Oliver revealed fucking time travel to her and she was just like "alright cool, but that don't mean you gotta fix shit". What a turnaround her character has had.
The best was that both Laurel and Felicity basically told him the same thing: stop thinking it is your fault idiot.
brotkasten
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I really liked that. There's no good reason to hate these characters anymore.
BronsonLee
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Laurel's seen some shit, man
She seems more open minded to stuff now that she saw Constantine give a mook the ol' FREEZE FRAME
Oh? I would love to watch a movie with our tv Flash...now about the WB movie... meh... no thanks.
Supergirl's was better than both.
They all had their upsides and downsides, but I think Arrow came out strongest. Laurel-Oliver as friends, the Oliver-Felicity conversations, Andy-John convo, Waller's brutal dead, starting to split the team for fights, Felicity wearing high heels.
Cipher Peon
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Just finished watching the episode and WHAT'S IN THE GRAVE IS MY BROKEN HEART
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I shouted NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when Felicity burned the photo
The only way to leave the past in the past is to destroy all remnants of it apparently.
brotkasten
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They weren't good memories. No reason to cling onto them.
Cipher Peon
Banned
Goth Felicity is such a badass, though :c
I still can't believe apparently Oliver never told Thea any of his flashback story. Like I thought at one point the implication was off-screen he sat everyone down and hashed this shit out.
Also why hasn't anyone called Ray about a pair of robo braces, dude is a comic super genius he could whip them up. Also did they ever mention the exact issue with her legs? Is it a spinal cord injury or the legs themselves.
Also why hasn't anyone called Ray about a pair of robo braces, dude is a comic super genius he could whip them up. Also did they ever mention the exact issue with her legs? Is it a spinal cord injury or the legs themselves.
Freddy=Legend
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I think Arrow was the best of the bunch as well. Supergirl was right there with it, but Arrow was really solid. All the characters felt like they're settling into their roles. Ollie shared a few strong scenes with everyone. Loved the Diggle story. Taking nothing away from the intensity of Supergirl this week though. Flash in the other hand was pretty bland. But I've never been a fan of bring back a previous season big bad to get knocked out in 1 episode. Plus, Barry is insanely frustrating this season.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
When we hit Season 6, the flashbacks are just Ollie filling Thea in.
Arrow wishes it was as good as Time Force or Space, hell even SPD.
Cipher Peon
Banned
Also really shocked that they executed
like a dog. Just BLAM and done.
Loved how they were portrayed. I LOVED to hate them and thought their incarnation on Arrow is easily the best incarnation from any DC media I've consumed. Arrow's
is THE
to me. The Gold Standard
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Waller
Loved how they were portrayed. I LOVED to hate them and thought their incarnation on Arrow is easily the best incarnation from any DC media I've consumed. Arrow's
Amanda Waller
Amanda Waller
Amanda Waller
Season 5 flashbacks can be him taking the boat/plane back.
Now THAT'S radioactive.
Septimus Prime
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If nothing else, this episode felt like a dry run of how they will handle flashbacks after season 5. Just flashback for anther character to any time.
Stephen Amell to appear as future Oliver Queen
Every once and a while, we do an episode where the 10-year-old me has to pinch himself,” executive producer Marc Guggenheim says. “We’re not only introducing our version of Connor Hawke to our universe, we’re going to meet the 2046 version of Oliver Queen, and Stephen Amell is going to be reprising his role from Arrow. As an added bonus to comic-book fans, Oliver is missing his left arm and will be sporting a goatee, in a nod to the character’s appearance in the seminal Dark Knight Returns. We think this episode features some of the coolest things we’ve ever done.”
Every once and a while, we do an episode where the 10-year-old me has to pinch himself,” executive producer Marc Guggenheim says. “We’re not only introducing our version of Connor Hawke to our universe, we’re going to meet the 2046 version of Oliver Queen, and Stephen Amell is going to be reprising his role from Arrow. As an added bonus to comic-book fans, Oliver is missing his left arm and will be sporting a goatee, in a nod to the character’s appearance in the seminal Dark Knight Returns. We think this episode features some of the coolest things we’ve ever done.”
BewareTheBatsie
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Can't wait for the likely horribly bad make-up job to make Stephen Amell look sixty years old. But this is actually awesome.
still the worst person in that series.
Oh hell yes.
Now give me future Wally.
It blows my mind that, Diggle aside, I am roughly in the same age bracket as all of these characters and actors. For some reason I've always assumed without really thinking about it that I was way younger than the people I see on TV... I guess that's not really the case anymore.
Dominican Power
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So Felicity is going to walk again?
Seriosuly, Diggle needs a new fucking mask. That mask is terrible.
Seriosuly, Diggle needs a new fucking mask. That mask is terrible.
Discotheque
Banned
Can't say I'm gonna miss this show's amanda waller. Viola Davis blew her out of the water with just a few words
Felicity's scenes would have been great without that awful hallucination stuff. Hoping we're forever done with that now
Felicity's scenes would have been great without that awful hallucination stuff. Hoping we're forever done with that now
Claude Augario
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It's pretty clear the rest of the Suicide Squad is in the grave.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Ugh. Seriously.
Yea thought that too lol. Just when I was complaining about no deaths/death doesn't matter, they kill her off. And because of the movie, I doubt they will bring her back. This was DC finishing off loose ends. Pretty fitting actually.
Napoleonthechimp
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I finally got around to finishing the episode after giving up halfway through earlier today.
My thoughts:
The acting is noticeably poor, or maybe my enjoyment of the show has bottomed out and I can't look past it now.
And giving Felicity the codename Overwatch is a damn lazy way of covering up how much you're ripping off Batman.
Also, was there any reason for Felicity's hallucinations? Because that was one of the poorest ways I've seen any show skip over character development... ever.
My thoughts:
The acting is noticeably poor, or maybe my enjoyment of the show has bottomed out and I can't look past it now.
And giving Felicity the codename Overwatch is a damn lazy way of covering up how much you're ripping off Batman.
Also, was there any reason for Felicity's hallucinations? Because that was one of the poorest ways I've seen any show skip over character development... ever.
Septimus Prime
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It's explained as a side effect of her medication.
I know right? I've only just recently come to this awful realization.
Napoleonthechimp
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Of course. That old "introspective hallucination" side effect.
The Arrow writers are the laziest bunch out of all of them right now. Well... maybe second to that god awful Shadowhunters TV show.
I think it would have been better if they just went for the more straight forward "oh my goodness, I'm never going to walk again" route.
Septimus Prime
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One time, I accidentally mixed codeine cough syrup with Mucinex DM, and I was quite introspective in a "WTF DID I JUST DO!?!?" kind of way. So there's that.
PHOENIXZERO
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Guess if we're gonna be sensitive to the spoiler that's being actively revealed by the star of the show I'll hide this behind a tag.
I said it before but earlier before watching last nights Arrow I watched the episode "Noel" from The West Wing which is just a masterclass piece of writing dealing with PTSD. Now again, I'm not expecting Sorkin writing on Arrow but for the love God they can at least try to aspire to something greater at times. And now I think I'm going to re-watch the ending to that WW episode again.
OdysseusVA
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Is that the episode after the secretary died? (S2 finale maybe?). Because I remember that episode being amazing.
I'm not against people aspiring for something better. But if they do and the execution isn't great I think it's ok for me to be critical. Can't expect them to perfect it on their early attempts though I suppose, experience will help. Maybe on the next go around they'll nail it.
Nah, though that is another great episode. This is S2E10 I believe, it's after Josh sort of has a meltdown since he's been in denial anything is wrong with him after getting shot so they call in a psychologist to help him.
All it was were the writers breaking the fourth wall, giving a little *wink wink nudge nudge fuck you* to the fans
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