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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire

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GulAtiCa

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No way it's Laurel. They just recently made her the Black Canary. Heck, they already went the "killed off Canary" route. And brought back the other one (who will be in her own series). Be kinda too soon to kill her off, which I hope they never do.

I bet it's Felicity, Thea, Diggle or Oliver's baby mama. They've been slowing playing that last one off last few years, could work.
 
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Penguin

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MartyStu

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Red Hood said:
No way Barry would miss Felicity's funeral and I don't see Oliver being this devastated about Chest Hair's death.

My money is on Thea, Laurel or Diggle. I'm inclined to think the latter.
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I bet it is Chest Hair. His deal with the devil kind of removes his moral high ground.

Without that, his character is useless.
 
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People don't seem to be that down with Speed Weed on IMDB for his Law and Order work.

I quoted this for a reason but then forgot to actually address it...

Stallion Dan said:
I think it is great how Ollie just now bring up he knows magic 'is real' and he has seen it, and not once previously thought to say "Oh that thing we saw could be magic".
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Why you think people make fun of the Oliver/Diggle "on the island" thing here? ;)


It's just showing the show runners and writers making shit up as they go along.
 
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PHOENIXZERO said:
People don't seem to be that down with Speed Weed on IMDB for his Law and Order work.

I quoted this for a reason but then forgot to actually address it...



Why you think people make fun of the Oliver/Diggle "on the island" thing here? ;)


It's just showing the show runners and writers making shit up as they go along.
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I honestly interpreted it to mean that he saw that stuff when he was heir to Ra's al Ghul. I'm sure Raysh/Rahz would have told him about all sorts of mystic shit, since he used to be buddy-buddy with Darhk.
 
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Skux

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PHOENIXZERO said:
It's just showing the show runners and writers making shit up as they go along.
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This happens for every show whether you know it or not. Even if a writer has a solid 5-year plan for their show, production issues, fan feedback, casting and budget all come into play.

The trick is in making it seamless, so viewers feel like the events make sense in the show's universe. Cleaning up loose ends and giving new concepts time to establish themselves is crucial.

unholyrevenger72 said:
So just like every other show on earth, sans Babylon 5
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Even Babylon 5 had to change its captain after its first season.
 
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ZeroX03

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Long term plans in TV shows suck. Let things grow organically. God forbid we need another HIMYM where they stick to an endgame that was outdated after the first season.

Laurel and Oliver have far more chemistry as friends than lovers, sorry purists.
 
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Magwik

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ZeroX03 said:
Long term plans in TV shows suck. Let things grow organically. God forbid we need another HIMYM where they stick to an endgame that was outdated after the first season.

Laurel and Oliver have far more chemistry as friends than lovers, sorry purists.
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I wonder if Ollie would bang Sara after being dead for like 8 months
 
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ZeroX03

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MHWilliams said:
This is largely where I am and I'm feeling the same with
Barry/Iris
over in Flash.
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I hope they do Patty Spivot well. Iris feels a lot more like a childhood friend and it would be nice for Barry to geek out with someone other than Cisco.

StaticJam said:
I wonder if Ollie would bang Sara after being dead for like 8 months
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They have a great friends with benefits vibe going on. Dead girls suit Ollie.
 
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Magwik

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ZeroX03 said:
I hope they do Patty Spivot well. Iris feels a lot more like a childhood friend and it would be nice for Barry to geek out with someone other than Cisco.



They have a great friends with benefits vibe going on. Dead girls suit Ollie.
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Don't be so quick to write off all the possible vibe puns in a Barry/Cisco wozzly fic
 
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gazele

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It seems to obvious to be Diggle, so I'm thinking its somebody else, overall liked the episode, helmet aside

The whole thea thing was a little weird, she's super happy in the first scene and then can't stop beating that guy near the end, weird
 
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PHOENIXZERO

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ZeroX03 said:
It's almost as if that's what all writers do.
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unholyrevenger72 said:
So just like every other show on earth, sans Babylon 5
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Skux said:
This happens for every show whether you know it or not. Even if a writer has a solid 5-year plan for their show, production issues, fan feedback, casting and budget all come into play.

The trick is in making it seamless, so viewers feel like the events make sense in the show's universe. Cleaning up loose ends and giving new concepts time to establish themselves is crucial.



Even Babylon 5 had to change its captain after its first season.
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No shit Sherlocks, that wasn't the point.
 
Grizzlyjin

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Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I think for any type of mystery, you should know ahead of time where you're going with it so it doesn't come off as contrived. Eventually you're going to get to the end, and it has to make sense.

Like the "Who killed the Black Canary?" plotline from last season. I wonder if they knew where that was going right away, or just made the pieces fit where they could.

Something like this is pretty open, it just has to be someone that is important to Oliver. You could even introduce a new character this season, kill them off and it works. Heck, it could even be someone from the flashbacks that appears in the present day (like always) and then is killed. Because of how open it is, they can get there however they need to. But I just want to motives and circumstances to make sense when they get there
 
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Xanathus

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MartyStu said:
I bet it is Chest Hair. His deal with the devil kind of removes his moral high ground.

Without that, his character is useless.
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That was my first thought but then it doesn't make sense why Barry would be at at the grave since he doesn't know Chest Hair. It has to be someone he has been in contact with so it's either Felicity or Diggle.
 
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Volimar

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Xanathus said:
That was my first thought but then it doesn't make sense why Barry would be at at the grave since he doesn't know Chest Hair. It has to be someone he has been in contact with so it's either Felicity or Diggle.
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Chesthair guested on the Flash too. I think Flash was there more for moral support than anything else. Chesthair is my bet too. Going along with the evil for whatever reason and then dying in an act of redemption.
 
Grizzlyjin

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Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Xanathus said:
That was my first thought but then it doesn't make sense why Barry would be at at the grave since he doesn't know Chest Hair. It has to be someone he has been in contact with so it's either Felicity or Diggle.
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Hasn't Barry met Lance, Felicity, Diggle, and Laurel at this point? I figured he had between his intro episodes in Season 2 of Arrow and the crossover episodes last year.
 
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Xanathus

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Volimar said:
Chesthair guested on the Flash too. I think Flash was there more for moral support than anything else. Chesthair is my bet too. Going along with the evil for whatever reason and then dying in an act of redemption.
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Grizzlyjin said:
Hasn't Barry met Lance, Felicity, Diggle, and Laurel at this point? I figured he had between his intro episodes in Season 2 of Arrow and the crossover episodes last year.
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Barry did not meet Chest Hair in that episode, it was just Cisco and Black Dad. I agree that it makes sense for Lance to die but there is also a possibility that no one actually does and its revealed to be a ruse to trick Dark.
 
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Jorok Goldblade

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Xanathus said:
Barry did not meet Chest Hair in that episode, it was just Cisco and Black Dad. I agree that it makes sense for Lance to die but there is also a possibility that no one actually does and its revealed to be a ruse to trick Dark.
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But he did meet Lance before he got his powers. When they were investigating the equipment Solomon Grundy stole from Queen Consolidated.
 
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ZeroX03

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Barry meets Lance in his first episode (#208) and again in the second half of the crossover (#308). Lance refers to him as Bart.
 
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Xanathus

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ZeroX03 said:
Barry meets Lance in his first episode (#208) and again in the second half of the crossover (#308). Lance refers to him as Bart.
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I've forgotten that then, in that case yeah it seems like Lance is the obvious one to die. Shrug. I guess that's one way to work around the whole White Canary thing in Legends.
 
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HamPster PamPster

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My money is on someone in the Diggle family - I think its a toss up between Diggle, Lyla or the kid. All three end with Mr. Diggle leaving the team although Lyla/kid leaves it open for him to come back (not that death means too much on Arrow).
 
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Magwik

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gazele said:
It seems to obvious to be Diggle, so I'm thinking its somebody else, overall liked the episode, helmet aside

The whole thea thing was a little weird, she's super happy in the first scene and then can't stop beating that guy near the end, weird
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Nah this isn't Moffat we are dealing with. Dig is dead
Also that only helps demonstrate how crazy or inconsistent you can be after taking a magic splash
 
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tensuke

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Just watched it.

(the six months later thing)
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS WHY WOULD YOU THIS
 
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Garrett 2U

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Oliver loves Felicity, but can't be with her as the Arrow.

Felicity loves Oliver, but is bored when he's not the Arrow.

Thea blames the Arrow for everyone's death, so she trains with Merlyn and becomes the Red Arrow.

I could go on, but the characters they've created in this show are so weak.
The longer this show goes on, the bigger an issue it's going to become.
 
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