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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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DangerMouse
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In Darhk's face. That stare.
Freddy=Legend
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Did Ollie just low-key reveal himself to Darhk?
MikeBreezy92
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PhoncipleBone
Banned
That was a great episode.
Freddy=Legend
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Hope someone whips up a gif of Canary doing work in that hallway fight scene, if they'd be so inclined. So badass.
the one where dudes with guns were doing their best assassin's creed impression?
Freddy=Legend
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Guns have never been very useful, no matter who's holding them, outside of 1 or 2 lucky shots on this show. Even Deadshot missed most of his targets.
DangerMouse
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Yup, that was good work
Everyone (as in everyone watching the episode) saw through that I'm sure, except him, no wonder it took him so long to figure out ollie was green arrow lol
Oliver poked the bear that is Darhk, retaliation incoming.
Episode direction was spotty. Bam Bam obviously had huge ambition, but his talent in fight choreography didn't match his directing talent. Like he clearly wanted to match Daredevil's hallway scene on a CW budget and schedule. Some of the handheld stuff and lighting was pretty clumsy. But other stuff, like Thea's elevator fight or the Arrow & Atom tag team was brilliant.
Are you serious about disliking Iris? She's keeping Joe's son from him. Knowing that he would want him in his life. That's pretty much #1 asshole tier.
Episode direction was spotty. Bam Bam obviously had huge ambition, but his talent in fight choreography didn't match his directing talent. Like he clearly wanted to match Daredevil's hallway scene on a CW budget and schedule. Some of the handheld stuff and lighting was pretty clumsy. But other stuff, like Thea's elevator fight or the Arrow & Atom tag team was brilliant.
Are you serious about disliking Iris? She's keeping Joe's son from him. Knowing that he would want him in his life. That's pretty much #1 asshole tier.
Joe told Iris her mother was dead for 20 years, then first tried to pay her off before letting Iris make a decision for herself.
I think they're even.
Joe told Iris her mother was dead for 20 years, then first tried to pay her off before letting Iris make a decision for herself.
I think they're even.
Iris doesn't care about her deadbeat addict mother though. Joe is actively like "man how much would I love a biological son right now".
PhoncipleBone
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Just wanting a gif of Laurel beating ass in that hallway.
Joe didn't know Iris wouldn't care before deciding to keep up the lie though. He was going to do what he always does; treat Iris like a child and remove her ability to choose. He had to be prodded by Barry to come clean. Likewise, Iris will likely be prodded to come clean about Francine and Wally.
The West family in general has a weird policy about lying to others whenever they think someone won't handle the news well. Not saying what Iris is doing is right, but I'm not going to point her out as especially heinous when her father does the same shit regularly.
Stunt Director James Bamford's first time directing an Arrow episode.
Freddy=Legend
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You don't stand alone on this. You have my axe.
I don't agree that it's the same. Also Iris was a child when Joe lied to her. And by all accounts Francine was a bad person and it was probably better to keep Iris from her, considering she put her in danger. And Iris didn't really want any contact with her, and we never saw her particularly musing on her dead mother beforehand. Joe is actively saying he wants a son, who is most likely not Zoom although that won't stop Flash GAF suspecting otherwise.
gundamkyoukai
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This ep was good .
The cross over is what i looking forward .
Promo look awesome for it .
The cross over is what i looking forward .
Promo look awesome for it .
I don't agree that it's the same. Also Iris was a child when Joe lied to her. And by all accounts Francine was a bad person and it was probably better to keep Iris from her, considering she put her in danger. And Iris didn't really want any contact with her, and we never saw her particularly musing on her dead mother beforehand. Joe is actively saying he wants a son, who is most likely not Zoom although that won't stop Flash GAF suspecting otherwise.
He's been lying to her for her entire life, and had Francine not resurfaced and refused the money, he would have gone to the grave with that lie. He was never going Iris the choice. They're not exactly the same, but that's still pretty fucked up. In the same way Joe deserves to know about his son, Iris deserved the chance to decide if she wanted to reconnect with her mother or not. And Joe should have given her that chance without Francine forcing his hand or Barry pep talking him into it.
PHOENIXZERO
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That fight between the shipping containers reminded me of those hand cam choreography practices the stunt team do. Of course Thea is immune to Damien Dork's life sucking thing. Would've been cool if the fucking promo didn't spoil the Andy thing and yeah campaign manager dude working for HIVE would be too obvious.
gundamkyoukai
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You can't really blame her since she don't know what else he can do .
He can do other things than using his death touch .
This makes so much sense.
OdysseusVA
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Webbums because I really didn't want to cut any frames. Also, smaller file sizes.
http://s1.webmshare.com/0g86g.webm
http://s1.webmshare.com/DG7oP.webm
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http://s1.webmshare.com/0g86g.webm
http://s1.webmshare.com/DG7oP.webm
http://s1.webmshare.com/6MGPV.webm
Freddy=Legend
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Great work.
That little nightstick twirl she does before decking that dude. So awesome.
I have to think that was a bit of a nod to the recent Daredevil hallway fight ... I also thought Thea's fight in the elevator was well filmed.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, like suddenly he's interest in unmasking a random HIVE dude.
Hours Left
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Great episode. Really nice action sequences, which was to be expected.
David Ramsey really is the MVP of this show. He's always on his game, and tonight he was absolutely stellar.
David Ramsey really is the MVP of this show. He's always on his game, and tonight he was absolutely stellar.
I'm really impressed with how they shot this. Aside from a few weird shots
(camera looks down when Thea kicks him the first time, but he's already on his way back up so it kind of misses the second kick)
For the most part the fights in this episode were better than they have been in awhile.
a secret-boss
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Out of all the goons they've been thrashing, the time Diggle took a time to know one happens to be his bro
I like that Elevator one take fight scene
Thea gonna put his new BF to coma and finally accept Malcolm
I like that Elevator one take fight scene
Thea gonna put his new BF to coma and finally accept Malcolm
OdysseusVA
Banned
Agreed
Also, no need to spoiler tag details for an episode that has already aired. People do need to spoiler tag preview/promo discussions however 💀
Okay I'm 2/3 into the episode and Diggle is being so annoying. He keeps going on and on about how much his brother's "death" hurt him and that he'd do anything to bring him back...
And yet he refuses to save his brother now that he's alive. Especially when it's made clear he's under the influence of a mind control drug. Jesus. Even Laurel made an attempt to get her sister back and she was actually dead.
I'm banging my head on my desk.
And now he blames Andy for making his wife and child think he's been dead for 8 years. HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW HE HAD A CHOICE IN THE MATTER.
JESUS
CHRIST
And yet he refuses to save his brother now that he's alive. Especially when it's made clear he's under the influence of a mind control drug. Jesus. Even Laurel made an attempt to get her sister back and she was actually dead.
I'm banging my head on my desk.
And now he blames Andy for making his wife and child think he's been dead for 8 years. HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW HE HAD A CHOICE IN THE MATTER.
JESUS
CHRIST
gundamkyoukai
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Come one people up to ep 3 they took off one of the ghost mask .
It's just they have not been dealing with them since then .
Of course they finding dig bro is funny but it seem like it's something they do when they get one alone .
It's just they have not been dealing with them since then .
Of course they finding dig bro is funny but it seem like it's something they do when they get one alone .
RatskyWatsky
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The fight scenes in tonight's episode were definitely a step above what this show usually does (even though the camerawork was a little wonky). Nicely done.
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