Nicktendo_
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BOTW was a Wii U game which was ported to the Switch. I'd say a sequel designed purely with the Switch's capabilities in mind should be significantly better. Not PS4/Xbone levels of better mind, but occupying a nice middle ground.
As a Nintendo fan, do you miss being part of the next-gen debate?
BOTW was a Wii U game which was ported to the Switch. I'd say a sequel designed purely with the Switch's capabilities in mind should be significantly better. Not PS4/Xbone levels of better mind, but occupying a nice middle ground.
Naibel
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I miss the days when Nintendo was able to pull off the Gamecube, which was a fantastically well done and pretty powerful machine at the time. But nowadays doing it again would be too damn expensive for them. Getting out of the horsepower race was necessary for what is ultimately a pretty "small" company (compared to Sony and Microsoft of course).
And you can say what you want about the Switch, for a $300 handheld with thermal and battery constraints, it's still very powerful. I'm just as impressed (if not more) looking at the Witcher 3 port on Switch as I am when looking at FF7 Remake or TLOU2 on PS4. It's quite frankly their best console hardware-wise since the GameCube.
And you can say what you want about the Switch, for a $300 handheld with thermal and battery constraints, it's still very powerful. I'm just as impressed (if not more) looking at the Witcher 3 port on Switch as I am when looking at FF7 Remake or TLOU2 on PS4. It's quite frankly their best console hardware-wise since the GameCube.
Stilton Disco
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Yeah, as much as new high end hardware is exciting to read about, I'm itching to see what new whacky shit Nintendo will end up bringing to the table in 9th gen.
Although saying that, the problems this gen, leading to the Switch coming out almost halfway through it, will at least mean the Switch 2 (or whatever) won't look quite so underpowered when it gets announced in 2 or 3 years, at which point the PS5 and XSX will look rather pants compared to whatever bleeding edge high end PC GPU is then on the market.
Although saying that, the problems this gen, leading to the Switch coming out almost halfway through it, will at least mean the Switch 2 (or whatever) won't look quite so underpowered when it gets announced in 2 or 3 years, at which point the PS5 and XSX will look rather pants compared to whatever bleeding edge high end PC GPU is then on the market.
Miyamoto has always pushed for powerful hardware.
He stated in the past he would have supported taking a financial loss on the Wii console for it to have been capable of HD, and he spoke about wanting to see Pikmin in 4K several years ago.
Windows-PC
Banned
No, it's allowed to like more than one Company nowadays 
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Not really. The only Nintendo line I've stuck with since childhood was their handhelds. And handhelds are pretty much never a part of the discussion except among fellow handheld fans. There was a Nintendo console gap between NES and Wii for me (however, I did play some of the systems in between with friends).
mcjmetroid
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I miss having a system with top tier graphics but I do enjoy the switch and the games
VertigoOA
Banned
Good thing that both Xbox and PS players have a much wider, larger and diverse selection of good games than switch owners.
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Grinchy
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It would be pretty damn sweet to see a Nintendo system come out that was on par with the competition again like the old days, but I feel like those days are never coming back. They still can't even figure out online multiplayer in 2020.
They're just too far behind, and for what they are doing, it doesn't matter. Going after some heavy R&D costs to put out a big boy system and spending years creating a single Mario or Zelda game to use it would go against their money-printing plans.
They're just too far behind, and for what they are doing, it doesn't matter. Going after some heavy R&D costs to put out a big boy system and spending years creating a single Mario or Zelda game to use it would go against their money-printing plans.
jts
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As a Nintendo fan, it is funny to see the whole show. Right now Switch is dominating hardware sales and will continue for the foreseeable future so that's cool.
I'll probably pick one of the consoles later for the "mazing graphixxxx" that I don't really care much about but I feel like I waste my 4K OLED if I don't use them. Right now, Xbox is winning the race to my pockets, but I'll let them keep fighting.
I'll probably pick one of the consoles later for the "mazing graphixxxx" that I don't really care much about but I feel like I waste my 4K OLED if I don't use them. Right now, Xbox is winning the race to my pockets, but I'll let them keep fighting.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
I'm just a bit envious of that Dual Sense D-pad, tbh.
I enjoy Nintendo products but that doesn't mean I don't have other consoles too, and I get my share of the next-gen hype fun from Sony and MS as usual.
I enjoy Nintendo products but that doesn't mean I don't have other consoles too, and I get my share of the next-gen hype fun from Sony and MS as usual.
SGRU
Member
I hope so, but Odyssey was created from the ground up for Switch and it also screams for a better hardware.
mickaus
Member
I'm not too jealous in missing out on the console wars, but would like the next switch to be able to handle 1080p/60 on all games with little drops. I think reaching that level is enough for gaming really. At the end of the day, if you downscale XSX/PS5 games to 1080p and downgrade the textures a bit I think ports should be fine. If they actually tried they could put all the AAA games on switch with worse graphics then the others, but still playable and enjoyable. If you can still enjoy NES games, you can enjoy downgraded ports.
Guilhermegrg
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Not really.
Lionel Richie
Member
Your unrelenting shitposting on anything Nintendo related is incredible, both for it being low key enough as to not get banned and for being proficient enough that you managed to spread it across multiple threads always with as little effort as possible.
I think Odyssey was a WiiU title too in the beggining and then ported to the switch, just like many nintendo games launched in the Switch first years. Let's wait for the next wave to see how much juice Nintendo is capable to extract from the switch, Nintendo are wizards to use the hardware to its max potencial, remember both mario galaxy on Wii or Zelda BotW on WiiU.
sublimit
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The last Nintendo console that was "part of the next gen" (GC) was also my least favorite in terms of games even though it was my first Nintendo home console. The Wii and WiiU had much better libraries and bigger software variety IMO.
I think offering a different proposition in terms of hardware also gives them enough room to maneuver in terms of software and offer really unique games.
Instead of competing directly with the dick size of the other two in terms of specs and blockbuster games they offer a lot more to the market by being complimentary to any of the other two systems (or PC).
I think offering a different proposition in terms of hardware also gives them enough room to maneuver in terms of software and offer really unique games.
Instead of competing directly with the dick size of the other two in terms of specs and blockbuster games they offer a lot more to the market by being complimentary to any of the other two systems (or PC).
StormCell
Member
Literally can't tell it. Get back to me after looking at the games released in 2003 and let's talk about that diversity of libraries.
Fake
Member
No much. Nintendo is doing what they usally do best: Games.
I do care about just a minor upgrade for better exclusive perfomance.
I do care about just a minor upgrade for better exclusive perfomance.
My favorite system, PS2 and Xbox 360 too.
StormCell
Member
I don't know why anybody is giving this a thumbs up, because company size has nothing to do with the SoC options going into game consoles.
My knee jerk reaction is to say something mean to you, but maybe you will see my point. Regardless of how big Nintendo is compared to Sony, AMD will make any custom SoC these companies ask them for. This is not at all like the GameCube generation where Nintendo actually collaborated in designing the GPU. Current and next generation consoles are using off-the-shelf chips (which AMD processor do you want? which AMD GPU? How much memory? BOOM, here's your system on a single chip!). Where's the high cost in that? A console will sell at basically whatever it costs minus whatever loss they're willing to accept, and that is the literal ceiling for Nintendo who rarely ever absorbs a loss on hardware sold -- BUT THEY CAN IF THEY WANT TO. They've done it before.
Let's examine the Switch. The Switch is a $300 piece of gaming hardware. They have an Nvidia SoC that is basically the Tegra X1. It's a mobile SoC. It costs what it costs. The other costs on the Switch are related to the 720p screen and some of the most expensive detachable controllers imaginable. For $300, Nintendo could have made a pretty damn powerful home console. But whatever.
If next generation consoles are $499.99 on launch day, just know that Nintendo could ask Nvidia for a very competitive SoC, design a plastic box and insert some power supply and fans, and offer a very similar $499.99 box. There's not that much magic involved in this anymore.
StormCell
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I voted yes. I miss Nintendo games being closer to the cutting edge of what's possible, but Nintendo is, IMO, a rather poor system designer. They make decisions that seem to hedge towards just two factors, 1) Can we do all that we plan to do this generation with a slightly more limited set of resources? 2) Can we still sell the box for the same price with the lesser resources (ie. profit more)?. Their decisions always, ALWAYS seem short-sighted in the sense that they don't prioritize as heavily what third parties may need so long as they can still make the Mario do the thing, the gimmick, they have in mind for that generation and F everything else someone might try that gen.
Yeah, I really do think Nintendo plans their hardware around the collection of ideas they have for that generation and they don't plan the system any beyond that. They did allow select third parties to review the Switch hardware in advance, however, and wisely expanded the RAM per Capcom's request.
Yeah, I really do think Nintendo plans their hardware around the collection of ideas they have for that generation and they don't plan the system any beyond that. They did allow select third parties to review the Switch hardware in advance, however, and wisely expanded the RAM per Capcom's request.
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BlackTron
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I don't know about that. The only reason Nintendo isn't part of the conversation is because they don't have an announced upcoming product. Their console lifetime has been "offset" by releasing Switch in the middle of the generation.
Of course, whenever there is a Switch successor, comparisons to PS5 and XsX are inevitable, just as Wii was compared to PS3 and 360.
Edit: I felt compelled to expand a little. I have long held the belief that Nintendo was in a really strong position to be the dominant force in this industry, they had everything lined up. They just gave it away, squandered it, flushed it down the toilet essentially, with brain-dead decisions. Even so, to this day they have the strongest IP in the business, their characters are Disney grade stuff, and all they really need to do to devastate is have a box that does everything XB or PS does, AND has all their exclusive games. It would be the de facto standard.
Unfortunately, Nintendo backed themselves into a corner and needed to get creative with gimmicks to keep the profits flowing. Once they lagged behind, they realized they would need to invest a ton of money in the online services, infrastructure, powerful hardware, etc. to get parity with XB/PS. They didn't want the risk. Nintendo's business leaders don't want all that cruft and overhead. They want to squeeze out a cheap game and sell 1m copies while never having to support or think about it again. It's an entirely different philosophy.
It works, and it makes them a common second console to own. They may not realize that, had they played things differently, they could be the ONLY console you need to own. XB games are on PC and I don't like the PS5 controller, so they would be doing me a great service by releasing a megaton game system, but oh well
Of course, whenever there is a Switch successor, comparisons to PS5 and XsX are inevitable, just as Wii was compared to PS3 and 360.
Edit: I felt compelled to expand a little. I have long held the belief that Nintendo was in a really strong position to be the dominant force in this industry, they had everything lined up. They just gave it away, squandered it, flushed it down the toilet essentially, with brain-dead decisions. Even so, to this day they have the strongest IP in the business, their characters are Disney grade stuff, and all they really need to do to devastate is have a box that does everything XB or PS does, AND has all their exclusive games. It would be the de facto standard.
Unfortunately, Nintendo backed themselves into a corner and needed to get creative with gimmicks to keep the profits flowing. Once they lagged behind, they realized they would need to invest a ton of money in the online services, infrastructure, powerful hardware, etc. to get parity with XB/PS. They didn't want the risk. Nintendo's business leaders don't want all that cruft and overhead. They want to squeeze out a cheap game and sell 1m copies while never having to support or think about it again. It's an entirely different philosophy.
It works, and it makes them a common second console to own. They may not realize that, had they played things differently, they could be the ONLY console you need to own. XB games are on PC and I don't like the PS5 controller, so they would be doing me a great service by releasing a megaton game system, but oh well
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Fbh
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Nah, I don't mind Nintendo doing something different.
Including PC there's already 3 good alternatives if I want a static box to put under my TV, so I don't mind Nintendo being the different alternative.
Modern Nintendo also has different design philosophy for their games which works out well for them. The Switch could be 10 times as powerful as it is now and I doubt the games on it would be any different besides running at higher resolution/framerates. Pokemon on a 12teraflops Switch would still look like a Ps2 game, just in 4K instead of 1080p.
Including PC there's already 3 good alternatives if I want a static box to put under my TV, so I don't mind Nintendo being the different alternative.
Modern Nintendo also has different design philosophy for their games which works out well for them. The Switch could be 10 times as powerful as it is now and I doubt the games on it would be any different besides running at higher resolution/framerates. Pokemon on a 12teraflops Switch would still look like a Ps2 game, just in 4K instead of 1080p.
Jooxed
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jonnyXx
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YES!!! I absolutely wish Nintendo made powerful consoles again. I played some of Breath of The Wild in 4K through an emulator on PC and it was glorious.
It can only make the experience better so I don't know why anyone wouldnt want that. Plus more third party games can come to Nintendo consoles and they don't have to be compromised.
It can only make the experience better so I don't know why anyone wouldnt want that. Plus more third party games can come to Nintendo consoles and they don't have to be compromised.
BlackTron
Member
Same. PC has damn near everything except PS and Nintendo exclusives. For me, the PS exclusives don't differentiate enough from what I can get from PC gaming to seem worth all the extra effort. PC and Switch has been an excellent combo.
BlackTron
Member
Nintendo is not the type of company that wants to be supporting different standards and patches, or to compel their partner studios to have to.
SGRU
Member
I'm not so optimistic to be honest.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
They already do with docked and handheld settings. Adding one more setting shouldn't be too hard.
VertigoOA
Banned
All I did was state facts. Great games are not exclusive to the switch. Switch owners do not engage in some kind of gaming renaissance unknown to other consumers.
in fact, switch owners mostly experience games released on other platforms a generation ago.
It's actually a pretty shit games machine all things considered.
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Why? So I can get called a pedophile for liking Nintendo's kiddie games?
Lionel Richie
Member
I remember you bro, you're the guy who said NBA 2K was a bigger franchise today than anything by Nintendo. Tell me friend, are you enjoying watching the sales of Luigi's Mansion, Pokemon and especially Animal Crossing? Does it make you mad? Animal Crossing outselling God of War 2:1 irritates you?
VertigoOA
Banned
NBA 2k is still one of the most played games in the market... Congrats on still not being able to understand sales vs. playerbase.
And I remember when Nintendo console's actually had third party support. You could play Metroid Prime, Resident Evil, Splinter Cell and Prince of Persia on the GameCube. You didn't need a "supplementary" console or wait a decade for a definitive edition. Hell, it even had a rockstar game with Smuggler's Run.
Switch is a handheld.
And I remember when Nintendo console's actually had third party support. You could play Metroid Prime, Resident Evil, Splinter Cell and Prince of Persia on the GameCube. You didn't need a "supplementary" console or wait a decade for a definitive edition. Hell, it even had a rockstar game with Smuggler's Run.
Switch is a handheld.
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