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Szu

Member
Heh. I know this is a joke but whenever it came down to fitting in, it was always a weird thing for me and it still kinda is. My mom is Korean but she really wanted me to fit in with the American kids. So while I still ate Korean food, and she was your typical Asian mom, I didn't really learn a lot about Korean culture. Didn't learn the language or customs. She didn't want me to be an outcast, which I fully understand where she is coming from.

So it can be a bit weird for me. I've never visited Korea and I still want to. I can relate to both Americans and Koreans but at the same time, there are issues where I just shrug and go along my business.

FE, I hear you. Well, I know that you will be a perfect fit right here.

As for your hoodie, not so much.
 
For example, I'm in graduate school and my dad told me not to group with immigrants from India. He said that immigrants from China/Asia are not good either, but less bad. Then, he said other Asian Americans like me, or better yet, Americans (white people), are the best.

His entire point was how much backstabbing he expected from all the groups, and how much sabotage he thought I'd have to deal with.
Sounds like it would be an exhausting way to lead one's life, after a certain point.
 

Cybit

FGC Waterboy
^- The sticking together is more of a public appearance for show, tbh.

I'm a big fan of individual criticism, and to a certain point, I understand criticism about cultural groups and attitudes. However, I feel like it's not "okay" to criticize certain aspects of certain cultures, and "okay" to do so to others. Until every culture can be criticized without being called racist, letting it only being about yellows and light browns (despite it being us) feels like it sets up a precedent of "well s/he said the n word so I should be allowed to say it too," except about us.

On the other hand, I suppose we could allow for self-criticism and hope that we're setting a good example for others.



Yeah you're right-- I think there IS a lot of hate within our own racial groups.

While we can't fix them, we can fix ourselves-- and that begins, IMHO, of not allowing ourselves to openly indulge in promoting hate against each other.

It doesn't stop there, when Chinese people hate other Chinese people, or when we dislike other Asians... because, in my experience, it always is accompanied by us disliking other colors and ethnic groups as well.

You better believe my Taiwanese/Chinese parents don't just dislike Mainlanders, they also dislike things about people from HK, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Thailand, India. They are prejudice against Muslims, black people, etc.

For example, I'm in graduate school and my dad told me not to group with immigrants from India. He said that immigrants from China/Asia are not good either, but less bad. Then, he said other Asian Americans like me, or better yet, Americans (white people), are the best.

His entire point was how much backstabbing he expected from all the groups, and how much sabotage he thought I'd have to deal with. I was like, holy shit Dad. I get what he's trying to say-- people from competitive backgrounds where you have to fight for everything with everyone (like India and China) will be more likely to backstab you (and his part about the distinction between Indians and other more chinky looking Asians was the idea that if I look like the second group they might be less likely to sabotage my grade???), than people that grew up in a less competitive environment that promoted cooperation.

Obviously he's not right since Wall Street and all that, but I can't change his mind. All I can do is try and be mindful of someone's cultural background but not make judgments on a person. Is it true someone from a more competitive background where you have to fight for everything and nothing is handed to you, might not always act (and might even be more inclined to act) in a certain manner? Sure. But does that mean I should be painting ALL them "them" (as opposed to me/us) a certain way? No. I hope not.

I have a much simpler way to explain this.

http://xkcd.com/1095/

crazy_straws.png


Races behave like hobbyist groups behave like genders behave like...humanity.
 
I live in Markham, Ontario, which is filled to the brim with both East and South Asians, though culturally it's quite heterogeneous. Yeah, you have some who grew up or were born here and are more assimilated to Canadian culture, but many people I know distinguish quite clearly between themselves and other groups. They still mingle with those that are outside their own groups, but the differences are, at least to me, very apparent. It could be the whole America vs Canada thing, where the former's a melting pot and the latter's a mosaic, hence the difference in views.

As for criticism between Asian groups, I don't see a problem so long as it's not generalization of an entire group.
It's weird. I'm torn on this and agree with both of you, and I think it's because I grew up in and now live in a community that is like a mixture of those two, which is also seeing a new influx of immigrants from Mainland China.
 
Sugar filled food. That reminds me, anyone here ever had maltose syrup as a kid? It;s like the thickest hardest syrup ever and we get it like it's candy. Fucking thing was so hard to scoop up sometimes that we break chopsticks trying to get to it. There's enough sugar to power 100 of you guys.

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Sugar filled food. That reminds me, anyone here ever had maltose syrup as a kid? It;s like the thickest hardest syrup ever and we get it like it's candy. Fucking thing was so hard to scoop up sometimes that we break chopsticks trying to get to it. There's enough sugar to power 100 of you guys.

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Yeah, I had that. I hated how it would stick to my teeth.

Wasn't too keen on the taste, either.
 
Yeah.

In my defense, with the way I solved it, I could tell you how much of your monthly payment is paying back the principal, and how much of it was interest, before telling you what the interest rate was. That being said, it wasn't the most efficient method of calculating the annual interest rate, and I'm a firm believer in efficiency being a sign of intelligence.

& I know. It's sad that I'm still in the top 10% of graduate school hopefuls, test-wise. If you're looking at college-bound/college-ready seniors, I test in the top percentile... and that's just depressing, because I'm pretty effing average in my "intelligence."

(No, I'm not fishing for compliments, I honestly do think that my brain is really average/normal. I guess my test taking ability is just really high, haha.)

I can't really agree that efficiency being a good indicator of intelligence, if only because efficiency can also be achieved simply through tedious repetition of established patterns.

I would elaborate if writing up a long deliberate post on a phone wasn't such a pain.
 
How about, the first person that came up with the new, efficient way of doing things is the smart one :p. Not the people that are "efficient" because of repetition.

So, innovative efficiency is a sign/marker of intelligence?
I can't really agree with that either, since I believe that such a thing is inherently circumstantial. I probably should follow up on this later after I finish cardio. :p

EDIT: I believe that such things like efficiency is merely a byproduct of intelligence, but shouldn't be considered as a reliable metric of such. The capacity to come up with a solution to a problem is entirely dependent upon one's capacity to understand the problem. However, the measurement of efficiency is entirely subjective and inherently dependent on the circumstances at hand. Additionally, there are some problems that don't have a "more efficient" approach to resolving it.

For example, if you discover that you have ants in the house, the most "efficient" (meaning the fastest route) to resolving this problem would be get some bug spray and kill them right then and there. But the very presence of such ants begets a greater problem of ants being in the vicinity and having the capacity to enter the building. So an intelligent person observing the situation would note that if you were so bothered by the ants you need to actually kill them at the source in order to make sure you don't repeat this problem again. Killing the ants you see will solve the problem at the surface, but being able to realize the underlying situation is not something you can necessarily measure with a static metric of "efficiency".

For another example, you're trying to teach a child how to perform multiple-digit addition. However, the child may find it easier to memorize the rules of carry-over and figure out that you need to carry +1 over to the next digit column than to understand the actual significance of that operation. In both circumstances, there is a bunch of ways that the child solve the problem, but the child that is not limited to the restrictions of the decimal system and the symbols that they're currently working with will probably be kicked up a few grades. Once they understand the actual concept that the addition operation is trying to represent, then learning multiplication and division won't be relatively difficult either.

Such things are inherently difficult to measure tangibly, because being able to understand something is vastly different from being able to demonstrate it. A scientist trying to explain climate change to an audience that doesn't have a clue will be hard-pressed to articulate the concept in a way that the audience can understand. A student that really doesn't care about math may not do homework even if it's easy to do. And a child that understands the racial dynamics between the police and the community won't really have much options of changing how things are.

I believe that being intelligent is really about being able to look past the face value of symbols and realize their conceptual significance, as it is only then that you can take the best action for the situation. Unfortunately, a single metric can't suffice to explain how a person thinks as it is inherently limited to being based on what a person does. That is why I can't really accept "innovative efficiency" as a suitable metric of intelligence, as that is measured on presentable results rather than an inherent understanding of the actual problem.


On a separate, completely unrelated topic: I only graduated high school after I begged two separate teachers to bump my grades from a D- to a D+, and I currently don't have the GPA to move on to graduate school. The only reason why my parents haven't flayed me alive just yet is because I somehow managed to get a steady job as a software engineer immediately after graduating college. I'm looking at a potential six figures next year :D
 

Cybit

FGC Waterboy
How about, the first person that came up with the new, efficient way of doing things is the smart one :p. Not the people that are "efficient" because of repetition.

So, innovative efficiency is a sign/marker of intelligence?

FWIW Bunny; it only sort of takes reading your posts to know that you are genuinely intelligent as opposed to a test taking monster. Writing intelligent responses to a variety of topics repeatedly requires the ability to adapt, assimilate information, process information, and come up with a coherent belief on a variety of topics - meaning you can't be repeating stuff and sounding smart (which is often the sign of a good test taker, the ability to memorize and regurgitate).

I'll agree with InsaneZero - most of the innovative efficiencies I've come up with at work (FYI: I work at Boeing as a systems / aerospace engineer. Legit Rocket Science for the win!) are usually due to dumb luck or being the person who actually took (or was given) the time to look into something everyone knew about but no one could actually sit down and finish. Circumstance, basically.

(I have some examples from work; but I already feel like an arrogant douchebag for saying as much as I have. Yay Asian humility / insecurity?)
 
Oh I used to eat these! They came in plastic containers like facial lotion pots... SOOOO good.

& yes, I remember the days of futilely jabbing in chopsticks trying to get some out.

I miss this stuff :).

I wonder if we can use this to cook? It would be interesting to come up with maltose recipes.
 
Ugh I just had baklava slices. They be soooooooooooo yummy. But they kinda stick in your teeth though.

:x

But sooooooooooooooooo yummy *______*
 
Not to derail from the usual food porn postings, but I've been sick over the past few days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gua_sha

I still have no idea why this technique (at least for me) seems to magically make me feel better and recovery is so much faster.

i used to do that to my dad back in the day. scraped a quarter on his back until it turns red. probably would have been easier if he paid me to give him a massage because i've mastered it through internet school.
 
In my personal experience (anecdotal evidence is the best evidence because you see it for yourself), those who claim to be different or "one of the good ones" are usually the least different from the group from which they try to distance themselves.

I do think the "unified voice" thing is regional, though. It's advantageous when you have a large group to fall back on but a hindrance when you don't.
 
The only way that a person is going to break away from the "No true Scotsman" bias is through greater exposure to people that don't follow those preconceptions. However, trying to exert external influence to change their thinking typically tends to make people defensive and drive them deeper in these beliefs. The most reliable way for a person to change is for them to come to that conclusion themselves (which is not really reliable at all). In that case, there's really no point in worrying about how you represent a certain culture or race because that in itself won't change other people's perceptions.

Maybe it's because that I'm such a lazy person that I wouldn't want to bother thinking about such things, but for me I think that just being a decent person should suffice. Taking on the task of changing other people's perceptions shouldn't be a personal responsibility unless you're willing to be patient and dedicate a lot of time to what will be a very gradual and slow process.
 

BlueSteel

Member
Sugar filled food. That reminds me, anyone here ever had maltose syrup as a kid? It;s like the thickest hardest syrup ever and we get it like it's candy. Fucking thing was so hard to scoop up sometimes that we break chopsticks trying to get to it. There's enough sugar to power 100 of you guys.

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I have nightmares of my mom preparing chopped raw daikon or lotus root with this..


Oh god makes me want to gag.
 

BlueSteel

Member
It was definitely the smell. Nothing really with the maltose itself, but just the smell of the daikon...

When it's raw it makes me uneasy.

Cooked though? Totally eat it.
 
I'll never understand it TBH.

I just pop in some Advil.





(Sorry to draw the topic away from food again)-- I was thinking about topic about "Chinese people and lines," etc.

I think there's an easy way to articulate how I feel about it. I think all the defensiveness and "I'm not Chinese" / "only Mainlanders do this," is a way of us distancing ourselves away from <them>. In other words, it's like we're trying to prove that we're "one of the good ones," and not like <them>.

MissDeviling, and I think someone else, brought up a really good point when she/they mentioned that we shouldn't act as if we're immune to criticism simply because we're yellow/a minority/whatever, so I guess it becomes a matter of balancing between trying to be "one of the good ones" (I absolutely HATE HATE HATE this entire idea-- I see women doing it with "the cool girl," or even some girl gamers doing it with the 'i'm not like other girls'), but also understanding that some cultural aspects are not positive and ought to be changed. For example, spitting on the street in public, not queuing up for lines, being SUPER loud in public.. etc.

Question is, how do you handle this stuff? I guess I was always interested in providing one unified face to everyone else, so to speak, while privately correcting the behavior within the enclave, but if there's no "use," is the best thing to do really just to single out "the bad ones" and to distinguish yourself as one of the "good" ones?
Well, I don't really think there are bad or good cultures, only different ones. I don't think we should classify any culture as inferior or superior to another but recognize that they're all quite different. What's acceptable here may not be acceptable elsewhere, and vice versa. Regardless of how one views another culture though, I think distinguishment is important in respecting a culture's identity. I distinguish myself from Japan, mainland China, Taiwan, South Korea, US, etc., not because I feel the need to point at myself and say my culture's "good" and that theirs is "bad", but rather because my culture is "different", and I want people to know we are not one and the same, because I value the differences in lifestyles, history, whatever. And of course I love my own culture and want people to know about its specifics too. Of course, I don't agree with a lot of things in certain cultures (and even my own), but that's not why I differentiate myself from them. We just really are that unique from each other.

It's nice to be accepting to everyone and correct them once they're in the enclave, though I guess for myself I'm more judgmental and prefer them to correct themselves before accepting them. As for criticizing the "bad" individuals, i.e. ones that don't conform to their surroundings and disturb others, I'm all for it. When in Rome, you know? Sometimes people just need to smarten up if they want to be accepted. But you're nice enough to accept a lot of different people, BSB, which is great. :> I'm very judgmental and closed-minded.
 

Ties

Banned
do puns like "thats so wong, rong, etc"

or "Yeu Pho King"

bother you guys at all or is it just me

sorry but corny ass punny jokes are no longer funny when it comes at the expense of asian people

edit:

what bothers me particularly is how people never seem to just make a pun with romanizations. they also have the tendency to adopt "ugly asian accents" that overemphasize every syllable. hopefully I'm not the only one that thinks this is really fucking stupid
 
:<

I ... uh, am guilty of the above, Ties.

I find myself falling awfully into saying things like "why you do like dat, lah" or aping Singaporean accent with adding "lah" to the end of every sentences. And answering questions like "Can you do this by Monday?" with "Can, lah" instead of "Yes" or "No"

:x




I have a horrible, basic taste in humour :x







On another, unrelated/semi-related note, I find Asian accents the least attractive accents of all. English-wise. Funnily, western accents in Asian languages also turn me off the same way.
 
Random: I started a little war on Facebook. Lol

All because I put: "People who eat corn dogs with mustard are savages. Savages I tell you!

Ketchup is where it's at."

I had a bunch of family and friends commenting on it. It was all just too funny. It made me sad though because there was 4 people liked ketchup, but they didn't comment.
While I had 8 for Mustard, 1 for Mayo, 1 hot sauce, and 1 for wasabi. Lol

Ketchup on corn dogs is horrible, you should feel bad :mad:
 

Ties

Banned
i think its different when asian people do it though, tbh

the context is usually different and it typically tends to come from a place of self awareness so it doesn't bother me as much
 
i think its different when asian people do it though, tbh

the context is usually different and it typically tends to come from a place of self awareness so it doesn't bother me as much

Oooooh

GOOD. I'm the clear then! YASSSS

.... Yea, I guess you're right. I find it cringe too when non-Asians do it, specially if they are doing it with a mean streak in their humour.
 
I think I get what you're saying-- basically, that you don't give a fuck about what others think about your group, you don't worry about the stereotypes because you're an individual. Also, that people double down on racist beliefs, so there's no point in saying anything. While I agree with you in spirit about the first part, that you're an individual and shouldn't be judged based on your group's stereotypes I also wonder if ignoring everything works.

I mean, isn't the problem that people will look at you and automatically assume that you're like the others? I suppose about small things it's not a big deal. But, I mean.. for example, if you're black-- simply being a good guy doesn't mean the police aren't going to shoot you simply because they think you're "dangerous." In another sense, about that line thing-- what if you are walking into a McDonalds, don't see a line, and walk to the front, when someone suddenly starts screaming at you, "HEY CHINAMAN THIS IS AMERICA GET IN LINE, ASSIMILATE OR GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY" etc.

I mean, it's a hopefully far-fetched scenario, and very unlikely, but it's about what it means to have stereotypes about you.

I don't mean to necessarily ignore everything, since isolating yourself from reality would pretty much you in the same situation as the people that you brought up in your example. I'm saying that you have the accept that sometimes you simply don't have the capacity to change other people, whether it be from the lack of patience, willpower, or just due to circumstance. So in the case some stranger calls me a PC addict gaming nerd or whatever, it's easier for me to not get too caught up into what they've said.

In other words, I have better things to do than to ruminate in other people's hatred or insults, so I set my mindset to recognize the things I should be focusing on instead.
 

Erheller

Member
do puns like "thats so wong, rong, etc"

or "Yeu Pho King"

bother you guys at all or is it just me

sorry but corny ass punny jokes are no longer funny when it comes at the expense of asian people

edit:

what bothers me particularly is how people never seem to just make a pun with romanizations. they also have the tendency to adopt "ugly asian accents" that overemphasize every syllable. hopefully I'm not the only one that thinks this is really fucking stupid

My last name is Wong. I get this shit way too much.
Among Asians, I don't think the jokes are mean-spirited at all - they're usually making fun of how dumb the jokes themselves are. But every time a white has said that joke, they actually think it's funny, or they use it to try to put me down.
I'm going to make a horrible comparison between two completely different jokes, but
it's like "the cake is a lie," the joke got stale ages ago but people still think it's funny. Maybe one day wong and rong jokes will become as discredited as Portal references!

It might be my confirmation bias, but GAF in general seems to pick on Asians the second-most (right after Muslims). Say anything that could be interpreted as racist against blacks? Banned. Or at least get chewed the everloving shit out of by fellow GAF members. But say something racist against Asians? Nothing. Maybe a few other gaffers will join in on the fun, too!
 
Quick break from "so srs": I made some of my rice blend and have pics!

Dry:
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Wet/washed:
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Cooked:
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It's my family secret recipe
that I stole from a restaurant
: 50% Calrose rice, 30% brown rice, 15% sweet rice, and 5% quinoa. The quinoa is my personal twist on it.
 
I just use it in place of regular rice, as a base starch. The brown rice gives it a firm texture while keeping the grains discrete, while the sweet rice holds it together--almost like an emulsifier. The Calrose rice keeps it from being too hard or too soft, and the quinoa is just there to keep it healthy-ish; you can't taste it at all.

Here's how it looks in the bowl.
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And here it is under a bunch of other food (you can barely see it).
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Erheller

Member
Quick break from "so srs": I made some of my rice blend and have pics!

Dry:
IMG_20150318_213328.jpg


Wet/washed:
IMG_20150318_212948.jpg


Cooked:
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It's my family secret recipe
that I stole from a restaurant
: 50% Calrose rice, 30% brown rice, 15% sweet rice, and 5% quinoa. The quinoa is my personal twist on it.

That looks really good. Do you ever have any problems with the brown rice being too hard? I've tried mixing white and brown together before, but the brown rice husks are sometimes tough and makes the whole thing have a weird texture.
That's probably just my cooking skills, though.
 
That looks really good. Do you ever have any problems with the brown rice being too hard? I've tried mixing white and brown together before, but the brown rice husks are sometimes tough and makes the whole thing have a weird texture.
That's probably just my cooking skills, though.
I don't, but I think it has to do with not using too much of it. I just recently learned how to use my "rice cooker," which is not actually a rice cooker but a multi-purpose pressure cooker called Instant Pot, which has a rice function. It actually auto-detects how much rice and water you put into it and sets the timer on its own, which is really cool.
 
I just use it in place of regular rice, as a base starch. The brown rice gives it a firm texture while keeping the grains discrete, while the sweet rice holds it together--almost like an emulsifier. The Calrose rice keeps it from being too hard or too soft, and the quinoa is just there to keep it healthy-ish; you can't taste it at all.

Here's how it looks in the bowl.
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And here it is under a bunch of other food (you can barely see it).
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hook me up with some, breh

Now I want some pho.
 

mercviper

Member
do puns like "thats so wong, rong, etc"

or "Yeu Pho King"

bother you guys at all or is it just me

sorry but corny ass punny jokes are no longer funny when it comes at the expense of asian people

edit:

what bothers me particularly is how people never seem to just make a pun with romanizations. they also have the tendency to adopt "ugly asian accents" that overemphasize every syllable. hopefully I'm not the only one that thinks this is really fucking stupid

When I first read a bunch of them as a kid in some format of a list of 'chinese' phrases and their associated meanings, e.g. Ai Bang Mai Ni = clumsy person, I thought it was a clever play on phonetics. When I eventually realized that it was more making fun of the language itself though, it lost a lot of the humor. Basically I found it as racist as when people mimicked the Chinese language with ching chong ching chong, which is nowhere close to any phrase I know except maybe when playing Rock Paper Scissors* in Cantonese.

I later found out that we're just as bad with foreign languages when I went to Italy with my dad's alumni and one of the aunts were like, <Listen to all of the kooly kooly around us> in Chinese. I didn't know what kooly kooly meant so I asked and they responded with, <You know, kooly kooly, it doesn't really mean anything it's just what it sounds like when they (white ghosts) speak>. I played along but my immediate thought was, "Holy shit we're just as bad as Americans talking about Chinese."

*Which is like, qing chum mau gao cha siu bao/zeen/sac (P/S/R). I still don't know what the chant means exactly, I just know the sounds. >_>

I just use it in place of regular rice, as a base starch. The brown rice gives it a firm texture while keeping the grains discrete, while the sweet rice holds it together--almost like an emulsifier. The Calrose rice keeps it from being too hard or too soft, and the quinoa is just there to keep it healthy-ish; you can't taste it at all.

Here's how it looks in the bowl.
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And here it is under a bunch of other food (you can barely see it).
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What can I do to get me a bag of that? :D
 
You can make it. It's easy! =)

There used to be a chicken wing place near me called Ching Chang Wing Wang. It was actually pretty good, but I'm not even a little surprised it went out of business.

Also, the wordplay stuff doesn't really bother me, but it's usually not very clever at all. "Confucius say: 'Man going through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.'" That one's my favorite of them.
 
You can make it. It's easy! =)

There used to be a chicken wing place near me called Ching Chang Wing Wang. It was actually pretty good, but I'm not even a little surprised it went out of business.

Also, the wordplay stuff doesn't really bother me, but it's usually not very clever at all. "Confucius say: 'Man going through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.'" That one's my favorite of them.
I was going to comment on something and then I saw this and got distracted. :lol. Maybe it'll come back to me.
 
do puns like "thats so wong, rong, etc"

or "Yeu Pho King"

bother you guys at all or is it just me

sorry but corny ass punny jokes are no longer funny when it comes at the expense of asian people

edit:

what bothers me particularly is how people never seem to just make a pun with romanizations. they also have the tendency to adopt "ugly asian accents" that overemphasize every syllable. hopefully I'm not the only one that thinks this is really fucking stupid
I despise these jokes.
 
do puns like "thats so wong, rong, etc"

or "Yeu Pho King"

bother you guys at all or is it just me

sorry but corny ass punny jokes are no longer funny when it comes at the expense of asian people

edit:

what bothers me particularly is how people never seem to just make a pun with romanizations. they also have the tendency to adopt "ugly asian accents" that overemphasize every syllable. hopefully I'm not the only one that thinks this is really fucking stupid

It's pretty funny when it's unintentional though.

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It is good to see more Asian speaks up now a day. But I think the group really stuck is the group of people who came here at teen years. Consider themselves "FOB" Stuck in whatever their origin culture is. But then they still got their degree at university but ends up stuck in so call "Asian company".

I must admit I am one of them. I came here when I was 14. And I experienced cultural shock and became a "bad" kid for a while and not going back to university after 10 yrs I graduated from high school. And I graduated but ended up stuck in the "Asian company" all these time. I did tried and look for job in "western company" but it just doesn't have any reply at all.

Now I am stuck in middle of no where, my parents confirmed with me they will stay at US no matter what. But due to their lack of communication skill in English. I can't just leave them here. On the other hand, we are no longer own a house at where I grew up from. It makes me not possible to go back to start my own career back home.

Is stucking at the Asian company my only choice now? I am stuck and confuse... But well, working hard looking for another job now.. Good luck all
 
I've pretty much always worked for Japanese companies. I think not knowing Japanese is a handicap that will eventually cap out my career growth.

Oddly enough, I did get an offer from a Chinese company last year, but I didn't end up taking it, due to a counter-offer with a higher salary. I wonder if that was the right thing to do, but oh well.
 
Yeah, Chinese mainlanders have such terrible reputation on them and I know how some people are super eager to build into this generalisation because its part of their internal narratives. It's weird.

I've been to China, and yeah, well, some of them werent the most sophisticated people on the planet, but idk. .... generalisations are usually bad, and pushing toxic bias against a very large group of people can't be a sound approach? My opinions.

I think it goes with the fact that China is a population that surpasses both North America and Europe combined, its easy to say Chinese people are rude or assholes because there is a disproportionate amount of them, so you likely will see at least one Chinese person because an ass.

It's like if Europe was bandied together more, and we said look at those Europeans due to one regions worth of 'unsophisticated' people.

I'm sadly going to namedrop Italy here because I have heard from some that Italy is probably considered rude in say day to day public behavior when it comes to Anglo perception of politeness.

We wouldn't group all of white people together a tiny minority of people would we? Its just convenient. Really I think that's where all stereotypes come from, 99% of your interactions with a group are positive, but its that 1% that people who were legitimate asses that we will focus on and stereotype as idiots or mean or whatnot. Why? Because its easier to see people as one force, rather than realizing that all people, even within their own immediate family display different personalities and behaviors.

I mean, can I get anybody who is lurking in this thread who is not Chinese to tell me that Chinese people are generally really nice people, is it really that hard?
 
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