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So there's a dog eating festival in Yulin...that a large population of CHINESE people in CHINA disapprove of. Of course the natural conclusion is that all Chinese people eat dog ( I have no comment on where you fall on the spectrum of eating a dog..just the stereotype)..
Or that the Chinese governemtn has taken an official stance against eating Shark-Fin soup with its consumption dropping significantly (50%-70% in the last two years in China)...heck one of the biggest activists is Yao Ming..But no...CHINESE PEOPLE eat SHARKS..

So you know how there's a golden bear on the California flag? Well guess what happened to California Grizzlies...Yeah...let's not generalize folks.
 
Would you recommend audit or Tax more?
I wouldn't be able to answer, since I have no expertise in either field. I will say that tax accountants really like working in tax accounting, but it's likely they were drawn to the field in the first place because they liked it already.

EDIT: I would never eat dog; I think it's fucked up. I have had shark fin and like it a lot, though, but I stopped when I learned about how it's harvested. Foie gras is arguably a cruel dish, too, but I guess it's not Asian, so it's exempt.
 
I would never eat dog; I think it's fucked up. I have had shark fin and like it a lot, though, but I stopped when I learned about how it's harvested. Foie gras is arguably a cruel dish, too, but I guess it's not Asian, so it's exempt.

I want to say that I would never eat dog because I love dogs...but honestly I would probably eat anything that tasted/looked good.
 

StMeph

Member
I would never eat dog; I think it's fucked up. I have had shark fin and like it a lot, though, but I stopped when I learned about how it's harvested. Foie gras is arguably a cruel dish, too, but I guess it's not Asian, so it's exempt.

I would try dog, once. Shark fin, too, as I don't believe I've had that either.

Gavage is supposed to be relatively painless. The feeding tube goes directly into a goose/duck's stomach. They're just pumped full of food to fatten up. Otherwise their normal conditions are generally better than at other livestock operations.
 
I would try dog, once. Shark fin, too, as I don't believe I've had that either.
In general, I'll try almost anything once. Not dog, though. I love my dogs like they're my kids (aside: and it pisses me off that in every dog thread, some jackhole always shows up and talks about how it's wrong to equate dogs with children; that and affirmative action threads are the worst things on GAF to me).

I also draw the line at cockroaches. They scare the hell out of me, and I don't even want to be in the same room as one, let alone eat it.

Gavage is supposed to be relatively painless. The feeding tube goes directly into a goose/duck's stomach. They're just pumped full of food to fatten up. Otherwise their normal conditions are generally better than at other livestock operations.
I know. These birds also have no gag reflex, so it's literally just fattening them up. Still, though, some consider it cruel.
 
In general, I'll try almost anything once. Not dog, though. I love my dogs like they're my kids (aside: and it pisses me off that in every dog thread, some jackhole always shows up and talks about how it's wrong to equate dogs with children; that and affirmative action threads are the worst things on GAF to me).

I also draw the line at cockroaches. They scare the hell out of me, and I don't even want to be in the same room as one, let alone eat it.


I know. These birds also have no gag reflex, so it's literally just fattening them up. Still, though, some consider it cruel.

Cockroaches might be my limit. Although, if they looked appetizing then I would probably give them a go.

Also, are you saying you think dogs and children are equivalent? I mean I love dogs, but...

Actually, thinking about it some more I think I can safely say I like dogs more than children.
 
I'm not saying they should be equivalent, but I think it's wrong to judge people who do think they are. I remember reading somewhere that dogs have the cognitive ability of 2-3 year old children anyway.
 

StMeph

Member
I also draw the line at cockroaches. They scare the hell out of me, and I don't even want to be in the same room as one, let alone eat it.

Insects as a protein source will likely be increasingly common. It's already consumed in some parts around the world, but just needs a major rebranding/image overhaul before making it out West. There are already initiatives to mill it into indistinguishable paste/grains.

Speaking of food developments, apparently processed sea water is becoming a substitute for salt at experimental high-end restaurants.
 

Sober

Member
All Asians look the same to me so it stands to reason all Asians are actually the same. I just used science, can't disprove that!

/mic drop
 
Ok, fair enough.

I wouldn't eat (human) baby though.

Or would I?

If you did, I believe people you would suffer the human version of mad cow, because cannibalism does bad things to the brain. I heard the reason mad cow is believe to have started is because the fed beef to cows. Also some indigineous tribes that practice cannibalism suffer from these kind of diseases.

But if you want to go for it, don't forget the fava beans and a nice chianti.
 
All Asians look the same to me so it stands to reason all Asians are actually the same. I just used science, can't disprove that!

/mic drop

I am legitimately bad at remembering/recognizing people, so everyone looks the same to me.

Also I can't tell the various Asians apart. Apparently some can? Probably because I look ambiguous and also have a bizarre last name.

The notion of it still makes me a bit queasy. Humanely sourced foie gras pls.



I would not eat a cockroach either.

BTW, just curious, what are the hours like for your wife? I heard they are only bad during crunch time (aka, deadlines).



I didn't want to have to resort to making everything a comparison, but apparently you aren't getting it. This is how you came off:

<OP post = gang violence in some black community, some bystander is shot>

<You post =

omigod, so terrible. violence is so bad. shooting people is terrible.

they always do this.

there's so many instances of violence. like ferguson, compton, watts, camden, detroit, tijuana.>

I ate foie gras at Steak over the weekend. I don't know if my empathy for animals can override how delicious it was. But I am for more ethical treatment of everything, I guess?

Also, I can see both sides of the They argument. The poster probably didn't mean anything, but some people have said they find it offensive. I think a quick, "I didn't mean it, but I'm sorry" is good enough.

If you did, I believe people you would suffer the human version of mad cow, because cannibalism does bad things to the brain. I heard the reason mad cow is believe to have started is because the fed beef to cows. Also some indigineous tribes that practice cannibalism suffer from these kind of diseases.

But if you want to go for it, don't forget the fava beans and a nice chianti.

If Hannibal prepared it then I'm in. His creations are true food porn, everything else is second place at best.
 

Sober

Member
I am legitimately bad at remembering/recognizing people, so everyone looks the same to me.

Also I can't tell the various Asians apart. Apparently some can? Probably because I look ambiguous and also have a bizarre last name.
Growing up in Toronto only helped me tell different Asians apart, with a fairly high degree of accuracy. I'm still fucking terrible remembering faces and names though.
 
Growing up in Toronto only helped me tell different Asians apart, with a fairly high degree of accuracy. I'm still fucking terrible remembering faces and names though.

The only way I can sort of tell is that Filipinos are typically darker? But that doesn't even work on me because I'm hella dark. I just get confused when my friends call out random Asians and seem to immediately know what they are.

On another note, my fiancee's friend is also getting married. This friend's fiance wants her to change her last name to his. Apparently he just assumed she would. He's white and she's Vietnamese (I think?). She's a little upset because she feels like she'll be giving up part of her Asian-ness. It was told to me that if she changed her name, then people reading her name wouldn't know she was Asian, which is a bizarre way of thinking about it in my eyes.

What are your thoughts on giving up your name and therefore heritage?

Also, apparently changing your name is a huge pain in the ass. I was legitimately thinking about taking my fiancee's name because mine is a rough cross to bear, but the paperwork scared me away. Also, it would be a shame because I'm the last of my line.
 

Sober

Member
Actually, I lied. I'm only good at the big major Asian groups. Chinese is probably easy because I am, although I think I might have trouble with Japanese vs. Chinese. Korean is fairly easy but sometimes I miss if they don't look stereotypically Korean (women are pretty easy, men are usually tougher).

I actually suck because Vietnamese I just realized is pretty close-ish to Chinese, don't think I've ever gotten one right. All Pacific Islanders go under one category and that's why I'm going to hell.

^^^^ - changing your names sounds annoying from what I've heard because it's a fuckton of paperwork. Would just be easier if you kept your last names when you got married and maybe only changed them for big things that involve the both of you. Or hypenate, I dunno. Doubt I'll ever get married and have to deal with this.
 
Insects as a protein source will likely be increasingly common. It's already consumed in some parts around the world, but just needs a major rebranding/image overhaul before making it out West. There are already initiatives to mill it into indistinguishable paste/grains.

Speaking of food developments, apparently processed sea water is becoming a substitute for salt at experimental high-end restaurants.
I think plate fright is going to be the biggest issue, for sure. I imagine most people would have no issue with it if it were ground up and formed into a hamburger patty, but it would also have to have a different name.

Roaches, though, are fuckin' gross. I think I have a phobia.

The notion of it still makes me a bit queasy. Humanely sourced foie gras pls.
I'm not sure how that's possible. Foie gras is fatty liver, which means the liver has to be diseased. I don't know how you could humanely induce liver dysfunction.

BTW, just curious, what are the hours like for your wife? I heard they are only bad during crunch time (aka, deadlines).
It think it depends on the firm and its management, but--as with all poorly managed businesses--some firms fall into the trap of perpetual crunch time. Her previous firm (she left and is looking for something new) also had some other questionable (to me) practices, like letting HR allocate assignments and hours. Why the hell would HR be doing this?

There's also a distinction between billable and admin hours, so when a firm says they require you to work for 55 hours/week during busy season, what they're really asking for is 55 billable hours. Since not all hours are billable, you'll be looking at 60+ in actuality, and then there's always the extra kicker of that being just the minimum, so if you work only that, it reflects poorly upon you. So, say you work your 60 hours in a week and take off, but your colleagues are still at work, for whatever reason--maybe they have more work to do; maybe they came in later; whatever--it still looks like you're slacking and leaving early. Or maybe you put in 13 hours a day, M-F, and hit 65, but you still look bad because you take the weekend off.

I mean, these kinds of hours aren't exclusive to accounting (I work in videogames, so I'm also pretty familiar with ludicrous crunch time bullshit), but I think you really have to love what you do to be able to deal with this.

That's for liver. Brain is pan fried with a little breading after dunking in ice water.
Actually, there's more to it than that.
 
I feel like I usually get close or could estimate what other type of asian another person is. Like for example, the nose is one indicator, usually southeast asians noses are more flat and wider than other asians. Skin color is another, usually the more south a nation is the darker their people. Believe it or not, but there is much variation in asian eyes. I notice Koreans eyes look somewhat different, ask a korean to open their eyes wide, their eyeballs look so spherical. Most koreans I knew were american so I know they aren't the type to have plastic surgery like you always hear about S Korea. A lot of asians aren't "slanty-eyed" like everyone believes.

There's a lot of other weird and small factors you can use. It's still an estimate though. Like even other Lao people thought I was chinese because I was light skin or korean because I grew out my hair. My family isn't even hmong so they aren't even the darkest Lao people, so I'm just light skin due to lack of sun I guess lol.
 

Estellex

Member
What do you guys think about the global economy right now? I been pretty depress lately about the wailing economy and how it is suffering or going to suffer globally.
I read news of Greek's massive debt problem and other European countries like Italy and Portugal that have debts larger than their GDP.

The Eurobank is also having trouble right now and if that goes under, then the global economy is going to be in trouble. MASSIVE trouble

ugh......
 
So there's a dog eating festival in Yulin...that a large population of CHINESE people in CHINA disapprove of. Of course the natural conclusion is that all Chinese people eat dog ( I have no comment on where you fall on the spectrum of eating a dog..just the stereotype)..
Or that the Chinese governemtn has taken an official stance against eating Shark-Fin soup with its consumption dropping significantly (50%-70% in the last two years in China)...heck one of the biggest activists is Yao Ming..But no...CHINESE PEOPLE eat SHARKS..

So you know how there's a golden bear on the California flag? Well guess what happened to California Grizzlies...Yeah...let's not generalize folks.
Wait, the Chinese ate all of California's bears? WTF China!!!
 
As to work.. well, if they pay me enough, I can retire early. So I'm okay with 20 years of stressful work, and retiring at 50, as opposed to working 35 years.

But if I get in the IRS, I will cruise until I die :D (or my pension kicks in)
If you can make it partner level, you'll be looking at the $150-200k salary range at a small to midsize firm. I imagine Big 4 pay more, but they will grind the hell out of you on your way up. 20 years is a long time for that.

As for government, actually, my wife also worked for the City of LA before moving into public accounting. She says she didn't like the monotony and bureaucracy. 30 years is a long time for that, too.

What do you guys think about the global economy right now? I been pretty depress lately about the wailing economy and how it is suffering or going to suffer globally.
I read news of Greek's massive debt problem and other European countries like Italy and Portugal that have debts larger than their GDP.

The Eurobank is also having trouble right now and if that goes under, then the global economy is going to be in trouble. MASSIVE trouble

ugh......
It's not looking good. Sometimes I wish I had been born 10-20 years earlier so that I take advantage of things when times were good. The downside is that that would make me 10-20 years older, and I already feel old-ish at 30.
 

cdyhybrid

Member
Did someone say bears?

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What happened :(
GF I recently broke up with didn't get picked as part of the visa lottery so she has to go back to China. Such a stupid policy that someone who went to such a good university, works at one top 3 public companies in our field is getting rejected after she was happy to stay here. We certainly wouldn't want those people contributing to our economy.

Sorry for venting, just really bitter. Makes it worse because I never thought there was a possibility she wouldn't get one with her credentials. :(
 

vern

Member
GF I recently broke up with didn't get picked as part of the visa lottery so she has to go back to China. Such a stupid policy that someone who went to such a good university, works at one top 3 public companies in our field is getting rejected after she was happy to stay here. We certainly wouldn't want those people contributing to our economy.

Sorry for venting, just really bitter. Makes it worse because I never thought there was a possibility she wouldn't get one with her credentials. :(

If her family owns a home in China she can probably mortgage it for more than 500k usd equivalent and get a green card that way. Hit me up if you want more info. That's my job here, in shanghai, but we've got agents all over working with us. Also if her family is just rich already and has 500k laying around lol
 

StMeph

Member
If her family owns a home in China she can probably mortgage it for more than 500k usd equivalent and get a green card that way. Hit me up if you want more info. That's my job here, in shanghai, but we've got agents all over working with us. Also if her family is just rich already and has 500k laying around lol

What kinds of investments do you do? How do you demonstrate job creation?
 

vern

Member
What kinds of investments do you do? How do you demonstrate job creation?

Seems you know EB5? We do Investments in regional centers primarily, TEA high unemployment areas... Job creation is typically demonstrated through an economic model submitted as part of the initial application and then the i829 later supports that.
 

StMeph

Member
Seems you know EB5? We do Investments in regional centers primarily, TEA high unemployment areas... Job creation is typically demonstrated through an economic model submitted as part of the initial application and then the i829 later supports that.

A little. Mostly just curious exactly what kinds of projects get started or bought into for this kind of visa. $500,000 both is and isn't a lot, considering what is being bought, and by whom. The main advantage aside from shortcutting the normal -- and much more competitive -- visa process pool is also the faster turnaround from 4 years to 2, which I-829 is for.

So is the main kind of investment one where participants each kick in $500k toward new construction? Do the workers used in that kind of situation get counted multiple times to apply to each applicant involved in the project, or does the job created have to be unique per applicant?
 

vern

Member
A little. Mostly just curious exactly what kinds of projects get started or bought into for this kind of visa. $500,000 both is and isn't a lot, considering what is being bought, and by whom. The main advantage aside from shortcutting the normal -- and much more competitive -- visa process pool is also the faster turnaround from 4 years to 2, which I-829 is for.

So is the main kind of investment one where participants each kick in $500k toward new construction? Do the workers used in that kind of situation get counted multiple times to apply to each applicant involved in the project, or does the job created have to be unique per applicant?

The industry changes fast, but I'd say most projects now consist of big mixed use new construction projects. Think hotels, convention centers, entertainment complex type places all rolled into one (LA Live in downtown Los Angeles you might know). Usually they'll have anywhere from 50-250 investors each kicking in half a million, and each investor is credited with at least 10 new jobs created for his investment to count for immigration purposes. So if there are 50 investors theoretically they create a minimum of 500 jobs. They don't need to be direct jobs, the economic model will also include indirect and induced jobs as well. If you look up any huge development in the last 5 years you'll find at least some of it was funded with EB5 cash.
 

StMeph

Member
The industry changes fast, but I'd say most projects now consist of big mixed use new construction projects. Think hotels, convention centers, entertainment complex type places all rolled into one (LA Live in downtown Los Angeles you might know). Usually they'll have anywhere from 50-250 investors each kicking in half a million, and each investor is credited with at least 10 new jobs created for his investment to count for immigration purposes. So if there are 50 investors theoretically they create a minimum of 500 jobs. They don't need to be direct jobs, the economic model will also include indirect and induced jobs as well. If you look up any huge development in the last 5 years you'll find at least some of it was funded with EB5 cash.

Are these developments held by a WFOE or are they sold off once the visa processes clear for that batch of investors? Or if a project is scheduled for longer than a 2 year completion, is it possible for someone to complete their application and then sell the stake to someone else?
 

vern

Member
Are these developments held by a WFOE or are they sold off once the visa processes clear for that batch of investors? Or if a project is scheduled for longer than a 2 year completion, is it possible for someone to complete their application and then sell the stake to someone else?

It depends on the structure of the investment what each investor's exit plan is, but the investment is "at risk" and their is no guarantee they'll see a return at the end (about 5 years typically). Most of these projects as you can guess are owned by large American real estate groups or similar groups. The owners of the development may or may not sell it after its developed, depends on their goals.

The investor can't sell his share in the project to other potential eb5 investors if that's what you were asking. The investment must be made in a new commercial project and it must create 10 new jobs per investor, so once one immigrant investor is credited with those jobs and gets his green card there is no way for someone else to buy his share and then also get a green card for those same jobs.
 

StMeph

Member
It depends on the structure of the investment what each investor's exit plan is, but the investment is "at risk" and their is no guarantee they'll see a return at the end (about 5 years typically). Most of these projects as you can guess are owned by large American real estate groups or similar groups. The owners of the development may or may not sell it after its developed, depends on their goals.

The investor can't sell his share in the project to other potential eb5 investors if that's what you were asking. The investment must be made in a new commercial project and it must create 10 new jobs per investor, so once one immigrant investor is credited with those jobs and gets his green card there is no way for someone else to buy his share and then also get a green card for those same jobs.

I see. Thanks.

From what I understand, there are more issues recently about foreign investors being defrauded in some of these projects. To the point where there might be more regulatory scrutiny and restrictions on the visa qualification/availability.
 

vern

Member
I see. Thanks.

From what I understand, there are more issues recently about foreign investors being defrauded in some of these projects. To the point where there might be more regulatory scrutiny and restrictions on the visa qualification/availability.

Yeah, read up on the Chicago convention center project for the biggest case of fraud in the industry so far. There are some other ones as well. It hasn't really effected much of anything though tbh, demand is at an all time high. The thing effecting visa availability is that the annual visa limit has been hit for the first time last year, thanks to investors from China mainly. They'll need to add more visas to the quota ideally or the program could run into some trouble with longer wait times. There is also a proposal to raise the min investment from 500 to 800k that could reduce demand a bit.
 

simplayer

Member
GF I recently broke up with didn't get picked as part of the visa lottery so she has to go back to China. Such a stupid policy that someone who went to such a good university, works at one top 3 public companies in our field is getting rejected after she was happy to stay here. We certainly wouldn't want those people contributing to our economy.

Sorry for venting, just really bitter. Makes it worse because I never thought there was a possibility she wouldn't get one with her credentials. :(

It is just a lottery unfortunately.

How was she able to work at the company without an H1-B in the first place?
 
I feel really lucky to have been born in America. I have two friends who have struggled with the immigration process. Both went to college on visas and then tried to get employers to sponsor them. One was Asian-Canadian and the other was from Hong Kong. Both are basically having to marry to stay in America. One is for love, but I'm not quite sure about the one from HK...It must be rough to have that constant stress and uncertainty in your life. The one from HK actually jokingly (maybe) asked if I would marry her to help her stay. She also asked me to sponsor her for her green card, but I didn't feel comfortable with doing that.

On a similar note, my fiancee's aunt has recently immigrated with her family to the US. My fiancee's uncle (sister to the aunt) sponsored the whole thing and is setting the aunt up in his house. I know that this is normal for that generation, but I'm not sure it's something I could do, even for family.

The bad thing is, the aunt actually has a decent amount of money and property in China. Her husband works for the government back in China and supposedly they were doing well. Funnily enough, I think they had to sneak his passport out of his office or something. Anyway, despite being well off the aunt has had the uncle, her brother, pay for everything during the entire process. And now she has him house her and her children and basically pay for their food, clothes, etc.

Her kids are adults (around their 20s) but apparently have no job skills and limited English skills. I spoke to the son who spoke vaguely about wanting to write programs on the Internet, but he didn't know anything about programming. He asked if you could program on an iPad, since he didn't own a laptop. Moving to another country with no plan or skills doesn't seem like the best idea.

On top of this, the uncle suffered a stroke several years ago and has never fully recovered. My fiancee basically hates my aunt for what she sees as taking advantage of the uncle.

Has anyone else had to deal with situations like this? Is there something I'm missing where this kind of behavior is acceptable?

I heard a rumor that my aunts wanted either me or my sister to sponsor another aunt to come to America when we were just out of college, but apparently my Dad put a stop to that thank god. Maybe that's why they don't speak now...

I really try to stay out of family drama.
 

simplayer

Member
I feel really lucky to have been born in America. I have two friends who have struggled with the immigration process. Both went to college on visas and then tried to get employers to sponsor them. One was Asian-Canadian and the other was from Hong Kong. Both are basically having to marry to stay in America. One is for love, but I'm not quite sure about the one from HK...It must be rough to have that constant stress and uncertainty in your life. The one from HK actually jokingly (maybe) asked if I would marry her to help her stay. She also asked me to sponsor her for her green card, but I didn't feel comfortable with doing that.

For the Canadian she might be able to get a TN visa (much easier than H1-B as it has no yearly caps and you can get it almost immediately), if she hasn't already explored that option. It is limited to essentially professions, so you can't get any old job and get a TN visa for it.

I think my wife's family sponsored most of her mother's family from HK. This was awhile ago (and in Canada), so rules might be different now.

I don't think I'd be comfortable to sponsor non immediate family though, especially if I was just out of college.
 
Yeah, read up on the Chicago convention center project for the biggest case of fraud in the industry so far. There are some other ones as well. It hasn't really effected much of anything though tbh, demand is at an all time high. The thing effecting visa availability is that the annual visa limit has been hit for the first time last year, thanks to investors from China mainly. They'll need to add more visas to the quota ideally or the program could run into some trouble with longer wait times. There is also a proposal to raise the min investment from 500 to 800k that could reduce demand a bit.
If I'm not mistaken, they can pretty much invest in whatever type of business they want, so long as the investee (?) meets certain criteria, such as creating 10 new jobs over a two year period, right?

edit: Holy shit guys I got an A on my graduate paper (nightmare professor think Snape and Umbridge). This means I won't fail the class and I can graduate in a year like I planned.
Congrats!
 
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