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Assassin's Creed II - The |OT|
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Ninja Moomin
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Snipes424 said:
It's the hive eye.
Miguelangelo
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Dead said:
ive yet to do that, ima start doing that from now on.
bigGIRLSblouse
Member
Grecco said:
You are so right about that. This was my first one and I nearly can not stand it. If I knew this was the case with AC2 I may have gone with the PS3 version because I have grown to love the quality of their cases.
Anyways.. game is awesome, 5 hours into it and it seems to really be moving along well.
MichaelEM3
Banned
Just curious...
I'm not very far in the game...
Is Ezio capable of air assassinations while perched from a high point yet? And what about assassinating guards while hanging from ledges right below them? Are these abilities he gains later?
I'm not very far in the game...
Just finished gathered four Codex pages in Uncle Mario's town.
Is Ezio capable of air assassinations while perched from a high point yet? And what about assassinating guards while hanging from ledges right below them? Are these abilities he gains later?
Miguelangelo
Banned
TenshiOni said:
yes he gains them later. Take those Codex's to Leonardo Da vinci
I went home last night thinking I'd have a tough decision to make between putting time in Assassin's Creed 2 or Left4Dead 2. I decided to start with AC2, and didn't end up playing L4D2 at all.
This game is great. It really does seem to fix every issue with the first, especially when it comes to activities and side missions you can do around the city. They spoiled the player with things to do this time around - your map ends up becoming absolutely littered with various icons. Storytelling and especially characterization have seen a huge improvement as well.
This game is great. It really does seem to fix every issue with the first, especially when it comes to activities and side missions you can do around the city. They spoiled the player with things to do this time around - your map ends up becoming absolutely littered with various icons. Storytelling and especially characterization have seen a huge improvement as well.
Althoran said:
I mean the story related stuff. So far it seems mostly just go leisurely from point A to point B, with some light fighting thrown in. I was disappointed when early in the game it tells you to find a secret door in a room only to 2 seconds later tell you to use eagle vision to see the hidden door. I just don't get a sense of accomplishment from what I've done in the game so far. (and it's not helped by the torrent of achievements you get just from going through the story part).
Like I said, I'm not even half-way through the game, so things might change, and the economy/villa upgrade sounds like a neat diversion. But ultimately I don't think the game is that different from the first.
Miburou said:
Are you past the first sequence at least? If it's the case you certainly see nothing. Also, it's the sequel of Assassin, it didn't became a flight simulator, of course the basics will be the same. The game is as different a sequel can be. It's even rare that the core structure of a game completely changes (in the case here, from the investigation process of AC1 to the now GTA story driven style).
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MichaelEM3
Banned
Thanks.Miguelangelo said:
That's good to know because I was slightly annoyed when I
climbed the tower in that small town to assassinate that young Templar snob Ezio fought with in the beginning of the game and I couldn't jump assassinate him while perched right behind him. Had to land on my feet and alert him + his guards.
I'm at sequence 3, mostly likely close to the end of it from the look of things.
And I like how you respond to the last line in my post as if I meant it's not a different game in terms of mechanics, when I clearly meant it still has a lot of the flaws of the first one.
Anyway, I'm planning on another long session tonight, and by then my mind will be made and I'll post my impressions here.
And I like how you respond to the last line in my post as if I meant it's not a different game in terms of mechanics, when I clearly meant it still has a lot of the flaws of the first one.
Anyway, I'm planning on another long session tonight, and by then my mind will be made and I'll post my impressions here.
I still 100% do not understand the people complaining about excessive hand holding. Other than the quick sword training at the manor, I didn't feel like the game had a tutorial at all.
I mean fuck, the first fight doesn't even tell you what the punch button is and you have to figure out combo timing by yourself (pretty much same as AC1). The first race didn't have waypoints. I could go on and on. I thought it was fucking cool how you started the game as non-assassin Ezio.
In my opinion, treasures and shit should glitter. How the fuck else are you supposed to see them tucked away in a random corner? It beats having to play it anal-Batman: AA-style and run around in Eagle Vision all the goddamn time.
I mean fuck, the first fight doesn't even tell you what the punch button is and you have to figure out combo timing by yourself (pretty much same as AC1). The first race didn't have waypoints. I could go on and on. I thought it was fucking cool how you started the game as non-assassin Ezio.
In my opinion, treasures and shit should glitter. How the fuck else are you supposed to see them tucked away in a random corner? It beats having to play it anal-Batman: AA-style and run around in Eagle Vision all the goddamn time.
Miburou said:I'm at sequence 3, mostly likely close to the end of it from the look of things.
And I like how you respond to the last line in my post as if I meant it's not a different game in terms of mechanics, when I clearly meant it still has a lot of the flaws of the first one.
I completely disagree. It looks like they literally went down a checklist of every criticism the first game got and made a strenuous effort to fix them all. The enemy and NPC A.I. are still hardly what I would call genius, but even that has seen some obvious improvement. And as far as things to do in the world, the two games are incomparable - almost like they're a part of two distinct series.
If AC2 still has one clear weakness that the first shares, it's probably that so far it's quite an easy game, especially the combat. In the first AC, once you got the counter timing right, you were basically unstoppable in combat. Seems to be mostly the same this time around, though I have noticed that enemies seem far less hesitant to attack you while you're engaged with someone else than they were in AC1. And the different weapons add a nice visual variety.
Baker said:
Agreed, the build-up was nice.
infinityBCRT
Member
I find that half the time when I'm position to do an air Assassination the Assassinate context doesn't show up beside the attack button on the HUD but you can still hit the button to assassinate or jump and hit the button.TenshiOni said:
I don't know, I feel like this is the new style of game design: make it impossible to get lost or screw up in the first couple of hours. Assassin's Creed feels very railsy to me for a while because they continually introduce new gameplay elements for like the first five hours. Maybe it's not literally showing you the path on the ground, but it does give you a lot of information on how to play the game in what could conceivably be scenarios in which you learn by doing.Baker said:
I complained before that the game's pacing was entirely different than the first, and I think I realize now it's intentional and it is not going to attempt to recapture the very measured pace of the first. Which is fine. But I've yet to have a bells-ringing-gates-closing-runforyourlife type experience in this game because the experiences are so neatly lined up with one another that I'm always off to do the next thing. I feel pretty safe in this game, actually.
Combat is still entirely too powerful.
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NinjaFridge
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ZAnimus said:Oh shit, of course! I forgot that the Black Edition is PAL-land only and thus releases everywhere on Friday
Found it on ebay. £100
I got the AC1 LE and i'm so tempted to get this one. Fuck this!!!
Grimm Fandango
Member
I'm liking it a lot but...
why does the fucking map (back/select button) run at like 15 FPS? It's horrendous. I dunno if it's because I installed the game (360) or not.
why does the fucking map (back/select button) run at like 15 FPS? It's horrendous. I dunno if it's because I installed the game (360) or not.
infinityBCRT
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AC2 definitely fixes a majority of problems. The story flows better, theres some logic to how you do your investigations now (you don't run around and collect flags to gather intel in this one!), the extra missions are intriguing and theres way more variety. That being said I still think the original vision of AC was bigger.Zeliard said:
The NPCs are still too generic (thieves and prostitutes conveniently are waiting to be hired near codex locations, you have no conversations with them, none of them are unique, etc) and the crowds are actually less dynamic in this game (you had people walking in all different directions in AC1, in this one you have these artificial groups); although Blend is done much better in this game, the "walking between people" effect should be more natural, you shouldn't have to walk through pre-set groups to trigger that.
Also I don't think they needed to make Ezio move faster than Altair, I always thought the scale of the city was in question in AC1 as you could run from one end of the city to the other in minutes (on foot, let alone on the roofs). For some reason I doubt anyone could do that in real life. And the fact that theres almost no interiors probably makes the city feel small too. You look at the out-of-Animus Desmond and they are only in this small shipping building/office but it feels bigger than most of the buildings you're scaling in the Animus.
Lots of criticism there but don't get me wrong, most games don't do what I want from this series. GTA4's city does feel a little more living/breathing/dynamic (although it still doesn't have enough interiors), Fallout 3/Oblivion do a great job with the NPC's having their own schedules and has lots of interiors (but the cities do feel stale), but neither of those games is perfect either.
AC2 is still a GOTY candidate in my book. Gonna be tough between this, UC2 and Batman (haven't played the latter yet).
In some ways I'm hoping AC3 goes a little more down the adventure game/rpg route (more puzzles, more inventory stuff, dialog trees, theft quests at night, a sneaking mechanic, perhaps even add a little bit of magic, disguises). At this point we know AC3 is going to be a mega blockbuster based on how good AC2 is alone so I hope they take some creative risks and try to evolve the next game to be even better.
cassiusclay99
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Can someone update us about framerate and tearing of the PS3 version please?
Grimm Fandango
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Y2Kev said:
Did you also install the game?
Can someone confirm that the EU white box doesn't come with the artbook & DLC? That's what Gamestop told me today at least. You get the game, a big box & the white statue, that's it... Fail if true. I thought the black & white box had exclusive free dlc? Or is that only in the US? Pre-order bonus or something?
That's what Gamestop told me today at least. You get the game, a big box & the white statue, that's it... Fail if true. I thought the black & white box had exclusive free dlc? Or is that only in the US? Pre-order bonus or something?BTW, if you're not planning on getting all 100 Uplay points, don't waste 10 on the theme. It's not premium. I still don't understand why companies are allowed to make non-premium themes since NXE was invented.
*The background pic is pretty cool but I absolfuckinglutely hate the friends list with big white X's and robots.
*The background pic is pretty cool but I absolfuckinglutely hate the friends list with big white X's and robots.
A lot of people here complain about the flag collecting in AC1, and I don't get it. It was completely optional. If you hated doing it so much, then why did you do it? Seriously, I think I've seen more people complain about flag collecting in the first game than anything else, besides the mission variety anyway.
On an AC2 note, I am only about 3.5 hours in and am absolutely loving it. Learning skills flows so much better and makes much more sense in this than in the first one ("Since you did a bad job Altair, we're going to treat you like a baby and reteach you everything you already know.")
On an AC2 note, I am only about 3.5 hours in and am absolutely loving it. Learning skills flows so much better and makes much more sense in this than in the first one ("Since you did a bad job Altair, we're going to treat you like a baby and reteach you everything you already know.")
BriareosGAF
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Agreed, I didn't play AC1, only heard it was pretty, but boring, and that AC2 fixed a lot of the issues. So I picked up AC2 to see what the hoopla was about and am pretty much out to sea.
- Given capsule breakdown of some story about exploring historical constructs as part of some war between templars and assasins to discover present-day location of major artifacts? Maybe? Lots of cutscenes, including a frumpy obnoxious English guy who I'd like to punch.
- The graphics are incredibly underwhelming, the lighting on the characters is really janky in the present-day sequences, the Lisa chick has some bizarre busted-up face, and what's going on with everyone's walk cycles?
- Thrown into a combat sequence where I'm just flailing about, luckily I don't seem to be able to die but I have no idea what I'm doing either.
- Free running feels awesome! Great! Let's do a bunch of that!
- I'm going to race my brother? Okay why is he just standing there? Do I have to find some checkpoint? I can't talk to him, and he won't move. What do I do now? I climb up the church to where it looks like there's a checkpoint on the minimap, but it says I'm leaving the bounds of the memory. Huh? Wander around for 10 minutes trying to find a trigger or something to make the game progress. Ooh I found some florins in a glowy box.
- Turn game off in confusion, spend an hour playing New Super Mario Bros, which is both fun and approachable.
I'll flip it on later tonight to see if I just found a glitch somehow with that quest not initiating.
I have the 5 FPS map and I installed the 360 version.
Yeah, I noticed the groups. They probably did them that way specifically due to the blending mechanic, since you can blend into any crowd now, instead of just scholars or whatever. You can also pickpocket anybody now, which is certainly a major step-up over limiting pickpocketing to its own side mission, and to just one person at a time.
One thing I like is there seems to be more of a variety this time around in NPC clothing, so you get a better differentiation in class status.
Yeah, I really like the quasi-RPG route they took this time around and I hope they expand that for the next game.
You race him to the top of the tower. He both says it and the game literally points you to it. So much for the talk of "hand-holding".
Edit:
I think he always takes off before you, but he's slow as molasses.
infinityBCRT said:
Yeah, I noticed the groups. They probably did them that way specifically due to the blending mechanic, since you can blend into any crowd now, instead of just scholars or whatever. You can also pickpocket anybody now, which is certainly a major step-up over limiting pickpocketing to its own side mission, and to just one person at a time.
One thing I like is there seems to be more of a variety this time around in NPC clothing, so you get a better differentiation in class status.
infinityBCRT said:
Yeah, I really like the quasi-RPG route they took this time around and I hope they expand that for the next game.
BriareosGAF said:
You race him to the top of the tower. He both says it and the game literally points you to it. So much for the talk of "hand-holding".
Edit:
Baker said:
I think he always takes off before you, but he's slow as molasses.
Sounds like it might have. When I played that part, he took off before me and was actually winning for half the race.BriareosGAF said:
Edit: I think your confusion supports my point about the tutorials. If you didn't play AC1, I could really see people being at a fucking loss in the beginning.
SlasherJPC
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Why is it though, that when a game such as AC2 comes out and totally outdoes the first game, people still find reason to bitch about what the game doesn't do. I mean granted we all want the perfect game, but its just sorta shocking. I find AC2 miles above the first and yeah its getting alot of praise and rightfully so, but what more do people really need to be happy? This game ranks high up on the list of best games released in 2009.
Like the hat?
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arrg wont be able to play this until tonight! Gonna be a long day
Grimm Fandango
Member
Uninstalled the game, map still runs like poo. Oh well.
infinityBCRT
Member
I don't think its about trashing the game or being unhappy (at least not in terms of my post above). Its just about what the next evolution for video games is. Ten years ago we didn't see games with this scope and I'm hoping ten years from now we see games with an even bigger and better scope. I've always had an eye for game design so thats just how I think when I see a game. I always have criticisms, even for my favourite games, and I'm always looking at what can be better for the next iteration. Its not a bash on AC2 at all.slasher_thrasher21 said:
The other day I told my friend that I really liked UC2 because of the exploration and set pieces and the way they paced the game and theres not really many sections of the game where you are in a shooting gallery for an extended period of time like the first game. I told him I thought the shooting was still a little weak but I thought it was 9/10. The guy freaked and said I was being anal and too critical because I wasn't fully fellating the game.
I think for people who are in the game industry (and I'm not, but I aspire to be there) they have to take a critical approach to all games to be able to create a great game. The guys at ubisoft weren't happy with AC1 and they showed it by what they did with AC2, and I'm sure they aren't entirely happy with AC2 either and they'll show that with their improvements for AC3.
Square Triangle
Member
I just got some hardcore 3-4 FPS when trying to run away from a group of guards.
UNGOOD.
UNGOOD.
infinityBCRT
Member
I just thought it wasBlimblim said:
a blatant advertisement for AC Bloodlines-- which it still was :lol
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Vilix
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I've been playing it now for literally 48 hours straight. Yeah, that's pretty messed up. I will say that it still has the same problems that the other one did in the graphics and game mechanics. However, Ubisoft has really revamped the whole play style. I never got into finding all the flags and Templars. It really didn't add much to the game for me. However, now they made finding all the stuff a real compliment to the overall story.
I love a good conspiracy story. And AC2 just bleeds this out of every oraphus.
Reminds me a lot of the stuff I hear on Coast to Coast AM with George Norry. :lol
I love a good conspiracy story. And AC2 just bleeds this out of every oraphus.
I love finding out The Truth.
infinityBCRT
Member
Blimblim said:
I don't even remember her from the first game but apparently she made a cameo during one mission. But shes a main character in AC: Bloodlines for PSP