Oida di Figgiano
Banned
Movie as a movie was trash. Had some interesting Lore though. As a sucker for the latter i´m super hyped rn.
DelireMan7
Member
Surprised it was not done since years.
The franchise is made for it. Curious to see the result.
Edit : hope for an original story and not an adaptation of a game (please not Ezio)
The franchise is made for it. Curious to see the result.
Edit : hope for an original story and not an adaptation of a game (please not Ezio)
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Portugeezer
Member
TBH it's a great fit for a TV series with the whole animus thing, basically can have stories from any era.
Strong female assassin.
Thabass
Member
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
Let´s just hope they implement this properly into canon (live action series, anime, animation) and finally fix their biggest flaw with the franchise of not having a consistent and long term planning of the story and the historical settings.
FrankWza
Member
I didn't hate the movie. It had good actors in it. It wasn't great but I have seen far worse movies, especially video game based movies.
Jack Videogames
Member
Ubisoft + Netflix?
It's going to be, like, super woke. Chilling Adventures of Sabrina levels of woke.
It's going to be, like, super woke. Chilling Adventures of Sabrina levels of woke.
BaneIsPain
Member
Even though the movie is bland, I wouldn't mind a cameo from Fassbender
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
It was just boring as a movie. The performances also were hit or miss. As an entry to the AC Franchise it was enjoyable.
Actually funny how Ubisoft from its internal behaviour seemed to be as antiwoke as possible, yet those simps around hascoet never managed to get it properly through and in the end made the products they were supposed to keep free of that worse because of it, since it just became canonical mess.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I completely forgot that even existed... Was it bad?
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
Yes pretty much. Understandably so, since it is the most recognizable piece of music the franchise has produced (and also went as theme for three main games, thus got pushed on people so they recognize it as such).
When you watch it as a movie and compare it with other movies: it wasn´t good. When you watch it as an entry into AC lore (aka movie length live action cutscene without gameplay) it is enjoyable and has some nice moments and references.
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SirKicksalot
Member
The historical scenes in the movie are kino of the highest quality.
Kerotan Frog
Member
Oooooooh this interests me! There's so much potential in a live action AC. I enjoyed the movie, but a lot of people thought it was under baked. A show would give more time for character development.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I just want an animus you lie down in. How about start there. Then you can just use the same actor lying down as his relative in the past. It works, and you don't have to cut back to some weird move thing. We all saw the Matrix we can handle the laying there and still face danger.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Assassins Creed 2020 is not the same Assassins Creed from 2007, hopefully the talent is there for whatever reason video games to movie/shows transitions basically never work.
MastaKiiLA
Member
It can't be worse than the movie. I went into that movie expecting so much more, and was very disappointed. I know some love it, but it literally put me to sleep on at least 4 separate occasions. What a waste of Fassbender, but I feel like I can say that about a lot of the movies he's in. He needs a new agent.
Azurro
Banned
Make it like Bandersnatch and let me choose between male and female protagonist and let me fuck anything around: men, women, dogs, guinea pigs, chairs, while the main plot is a disjointed dumpster fire that nobody cares about anyway. That's the only way to truly recreate the Assassin's Creed experience. 
The_Observer
Member
A couple of years ago I would have been f'n excited for this news. After finishing Odyssey and knowing Netflix... this will be Woke Creed bullshit, that will have nothing to do with the earlier games' philisophical topics, I guess. Let's hope I will be wrong...
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
to be fair, the philosophical topics (not sure what philisophical is, not keeping up with current lefty hot topics) were very thin to begin with and ironically the one where there was the most philosophical content in it is the one you least like, because that was odyssey with it being one big metaphor of platos cave allegory (and subsequently the heidegger interpretation of it) and a meta narrative for the ac universe with odyssey being the equivalent of homerical epics. But apart from that there was the lefty pirate community aspect (which failed as all "democracies" do) and the brief moment where Machiavelli took inspiration for the uomo virtuoso from ezio (which then again was one of the few huge historical mistakes in the series because it was Cesare Borgia who my man Niccolo was inspired by and who he wrote Il principe for). Apart from that it was only vague elementary school philosophy at best.
And the whole woke bs (although i never felt there was much woke stuff in it, yet alone that it bothered me), well that´s on the known incelsimpygang around hascoets and his marketing losers who insisted in having their creative visions playing out instead of letting the devs and writers do their job and them doing theirs.
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The_Observer
Member
Odyssey's story was a hot mess thanks to the talentless woke writers, I finished the main game yesterday. The Pythagoras and Sokrates parts were the only relatively good parts. Did you play the first game? It was full of philosophical and moral questions that made you think. Altair's character development was also connected to this. The games that had a more serious tone contained more of this like AC3 and Origins. Odyssey is so so unbelievably lame that it's a physical pain. At least it would be funny if they went that way but it's nothing like that, it's only a cringefest. It's also full of laziness and nonsense story beats. I still can't accept that it's part of the AC franchise.
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
i finished AC1 just recently and i struggle to find those philosophical and moral questions. A very well trainied killing machine gets cocky because of his skills, gets stripped of his privileges and to regain them he starts to follow orders blindly. Halfway through it he starts to softly question his orders and gets to the point where he was being used all the time for the personal gain of another man. that is not philosophical or moral, it´s a pretty bland saulus to paulus story, and the character development although there was one wasn´t too much of a thing (which can be attributed to the lackluster voice acting of altair) outside of gameplay features that you got more weapons and the citites were more alert of your deeds. Right now i´m playing through AC3 and there the philosophical/moral elements are also very basic and boil down to the point where connor has to make a decision between selling out his people or selling out the whites.
The Family story of Odyssey was a standard family tragedy with couple of references from greek tragedies and i agree the best moments were the Socrates parts (although he has to be part of the prder of the ancients or at least become one in the later stages of his life, because everything else would be contradictionary to what plato wrote that socrates said. but the plato cameo was neat) and the phytagoras part, but especially the latter with everything concerning Aletheia and Atlantis was as deep as AC ever got in terms of philosophy, especially on a meta level that was only mentioned in one halfsentence outside the animus, thus with what wasn´t said.
But I agree that AC1 and others had a "more serious" tone to it, which if one isn´t too much into those topics (i unfortunately spent a huge chunk of my life especially to those aspects of philosophy in popcultures) can easily feel like it has more weight to it.
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The_Observer
Member
I'm sorry but I can't understand at all how can you like Odyssey if you have this opinion about the other games. I mean, looking from this aspect those games are Sokrates while Odyssey is... well the puke of the most simpleminded person. And I don't mean by this that those games are objectively that deep but just want to demonstrate the schism between those and Odyssey. I don't want to believe that you can't see this if you are into these topics.
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
If you believe, then it is too late for you, as i state again and again: belief, hope, trust, etc. are the pastures of the fools
Odyssey has different story aspects and i pretty much stated that the family story line is straight forward (at times boring and dragged out) but the philosophical implications the game has (and for that matter not only for the game itself but for the AC universe in general) come from the phythagoras/atlantis storyline and the socrates encounters (which partially would include the final aspasia cutscene but that goes for both).
I don´t see a problem with it. You obviously don´t like Odyssey for being too woke (which i don´t get but i don´t care since i´m no lefty) and not serious enough, but for one that is not an absolute viewpoint (apart from mine none are
) and for another i just don´t see odyssey as bad as others do and rather see the good in it, as i tend to do with the whole franchise, just because i enjoy it.But in the end it doesn´t really matter, we both paid for it and played it, thus ubisoft made something right, regardless of wokeness, philosophical deepness or the lack of it, etc.
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The_Observer
Member
Well, if I knew what I paid for day one you bet I would have skipped it then. I made a bad decision based on my love for the franchise. Speaking of Aspasia... everything is soooo poorly written. How could she become the head? Why? What did she want to achieve? They try to throw in some big words and sentences that in the end says nothing. I don't get the story at all. They just wanted to include the cult without actually developing them both as a group and as individuals. I remember most of the Origins villains, yet here all of them were just NPCs in the world that received some worthless generic backstory written in five sentences in the menu. I may seem like a furious crazy perspn blurbing this out and you would be half right in assuming that but this game makes my blood boilIf you believe, then it is too late for you, as i state again and again: belief, hope, trust, etc. are the pastures of the fools
Odyssey has different story aspects and i pretty much stated that the family story line is straight forward (at times boring and dragged out) but the philosophical implications the game has (and for that matter for the AC universe in general) come from the phythagoras/atlantis storyline and the socrates encounters (which partially would include the final aspasia cutscene but that goes for both).
I don´t see a problem with it. You obviously don´t like Odyssey for being too woke (which i don´t get but i don´t care since i´m no lefty) and not serious enough, but for one that is not an absolute viewpoint (apart from mine none are
But in the end it doesn´t really matter, we both paid for it and played it, thus ubisoft made something right, regardless of wokeness, philosophical deepness or the lack of it, etc.
It's not a gameplay thread I know, but I can't decide if I hate writing or the gameplay more. Everything and everyone constantly wants to kill me. Really, I can't play for 3 minutes without having to fight soke spongey shithead. The final bossfight spawned on me 3 or 4 mercenaries. It's so bad.
But back to the writing. The final nail in the coffin for that mess was when the mother disavowed my character despite being in love with him for the whole game when killed Deimos as I couldn't stand her nonsense bullshit after trying numerous times to win her back. Again the writing sucked insanely. Nothing is developed character and story wise, I could go on and on but I'm tired for this.
Tldr: as I explained in my thread I have never ever complained about writing in any game but this is atrocious. It is like it was written by the absolute worst braindead cesspit dwellers of twitter.
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devilNprada
Member
Well, if I knew what I paid for day one you bet I would have skipped it then. I made a bad decision based on my love for the franchise. Speaking of Aspasia... everything is soooo poorly written. How could she become the head? Why? What did she want to achieve? They try to throw in some big words and sentences that in the end says nothing. I don't get the story at all. They just wanted to include the cult without actually developing them both as a group and as individuals. I remember most of the Origins villains, yet here all of them were just NPCs in the world that received some worthless generic backstory written in five sentences in the menu. I may seem like a furious crazy perspn blurbing this out and you would be half right in assuming that but this game makes my blood boil
It's not a gameplay thread I know, but I can't decide if I hate writing or the gameplay more. Everything and everyone constantly wants to kill me. Really, I can't play for 3 minutes without having to fight soke bulletspongey shithead. The final bossfight spawned on me 3 or 4 mercenaries. It's so bad.
But back to the writing. The final nail in the coffin for that mess was when the mother disavowed my character despite being in love with him for the whole game when killed Deimos as I couldn't stand her nonsense bullshit after trying numerous times to win her back. Again the writing sucked insanely. Nothing is developed character and story wise, I could go on and on but I'm tired for this.
Tldr: as I explained in my thread I have never ever complained about writing in any game but this is atrocious. It is like it was written by the absolute worst braindead cesspit dwellers of twitter.
yeah, the story got real bad..
The movie wasn't so hot either
Hopefully netflix has better writers..
The_Observer
Member
Actually, I really liked the movie. Had good actors and got the tone of the first game right. Everything was included in the movie that makes AC. It might not be an objectively good movie, but I liked it, as an AC fan.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I trust em. With the right studio, they can do a good job. To me I feel that series makes more sense for a show then a game (the original ones). I hated all of that animus shit in the original games. At first it was like "oh man, this is crazy where are they going with this" and then after 2 games it was like...."um....ok, sounds like the actual lives of those people are much more interesting, just tell us about that please"
I literally tried several times to skip those scenes in AC Origin. Not many will really give any fucks if they just get rid of that crap.
I literally tried several times to skip those scenes in AC Origin. Not many will really give any fucks if they just get rid of that crap.
Oida di Figgiano
Banned
okay, this turned out much longer than i planned to, sry it tldr stuff, and yes: spoilers ahead for odyssey
To be honest, as soon as i met Aspasia in the game i was like "She is the ghost"
They could´ve elaborated more on that but the way it was, it was okay. Of course it would been possible to do it better. What happened was that: Aspasia, as wife of Perikles and being on the forefront of athenean democracy saw through the flaws of said form of organizing a polis (citystate), which were presented with the conflict between perikles and Kleon (regardless of kleons membership in the cult) and the blatant populism on the one hand and the sheer arrogance of the selfrighteous bourgeious. So in her position she was a focal point of athenean society (and therefore the greek world in general, so it had to be a figure like her to be the hed of the cult) and apart many things, she was the supposed teacher of socrates, which explains her final words perfectly. The Cult was established when parts of the Hermes Cult around phytagoras (centered around keeping the world in balance, since that was a leading motive of greek worldview but not only greeks but more ancient in general) went rogue for individual gain and became the cult of cosmos.
The hermesian cult got lost, phytagoras went on to keep the secret of atlantis and the cult of cosmos took over greek society. When Aspasia took the leadership she wanted to establish an order throughout society to serve for the good of the people (this is basically pure platos politeia, since she was socrates teacher its actually pretty neat and keeps socrates from being involved with the cult) and led by a philosophers king (watch out for hints towards marcus antonius in valhalla!) but the cult very much already established a life of its own for the personal gains of its members, who were random parts of greek society but together were more than the sum of its parts which is why a special hero was needed to demolish the order in total. Canonically Aspasia survived the events of the game and went on trying to accomplish her vision. The first DLC and the order of ancients plays into this (but it is a bit weird in terms of timing, becasue the dlc took place before the other stories were finished, which never happened to players which is why there are those great inconsistencies in the story) because with killing the rotten cult of cosmos the eagle bearing misthios helped aspasia and made room for the order of ancients to move into the void.
In the end it may seem like a swerve for the sake of a swerve but i think it is a great idea because this way it becomes the equivalent of the homeric epics. You set the wheels in motion for "modern history" in AC as did the Odyssey and the Illiad for the reality of the westernwhite civilization. The mythological/philosophical platform on which it stands. And they could do so while checking off ancient greece off the bucket list in terms of scenarios. But of course due to the dlc and lack of pacing of the game and dlc for the sake of being a rpg and the lack of overall consistency (the point i bitch about all the time) which can be seen very much in layla in the game (although i don´t dislike her actions, it just can be so much better written or communicated between writers/teams. but again: lack of overall overarching QA/planning/etc.).
They could´ve elaborated more on that but the way it was, it was okay. Of course it would been possible to do it better. What happened was that: Aspasia, as wife of Perikles and being on the forefront of athenean democracy saw through the flaws of said form of organizing a polis (citystate), which were presented with the conflict between perikles and Kleon (regardless of kleons membership in the cult) and the blatant populism on the one hand and the sheer arrogance of the selfrighteous bourgeious. So in her position she was a focal point of athenean society (and therefore the greek world in general, so it had to be a figure like her to be the hed of the cult) and apart many things, she was the supposed teacher of socrates, which explains her final words perfectly. The Cult was established when parts of the Hermes Cult around phytagoras (centered around keeping the world in balance, since that was a leading motive of greek worldview but not only greeks but more ancient in general) went rogue for individual gain and became the cult of cosmos.
The hermesian cult got lost, phytagoras went on to keep the secret of atlantis and the cult of cosmos took over greek society. When Aspasia took the leadership she wanted to establish an order throughout society to serve for the good of the people (this is basically pure platos politeia, since she was socrates teacher its actually pretty neat and keeps socrates from being involved with the cult) and led by a philosophers king (watch out for hints towards marcus antonius in valhalla!) but the cult very much already established a life of its own for the personal gains of its members, who were random parts of greek society but together were more than the sum of its parts which is why a special hero was needed to demolish the order in total. Canonically Aspasia survived the events of the game and went on trying to accomplish her vision. The first DLC and the order of ancients plays into this (but it is a bit weird in terms of timing, becasue the dlc took place before the other stories were finished, which never happened to players which is why there are those great inconsistencies in the story) because with killing the rotten cult of cosmos the eagle bearing misthios helped aspasia and made room for the order of ancients to move into the void.
In the end it may seem like a swerve for the sake of a swerve but i think it is a great idea because this way it becomes the equivalent of the homeric epics. You set the wheels in motion for "modern history" in AC as did the Odyssey and the Illiad for the reality of the westernwhite civilization. The mythological/philosophical platform on which it stands. And they could do so while checking off ancient greece off the bucket list in terms of scenarios. But of course due to the dlc and lack of pacing of the game and dlc for the sake of being a rpg and the lack of overall consistency (the point i bitch about all the time) which can be seen very much in layla in the game (although i don´t dislike her actions, it just can be so much better written or communicated between writers/teams. but again: lack of overall overarching QA/planning/etc.).
The_Observer
Member
Thanks for this. Yes, it had the potential but it was just thrown together and like you say, inconsistent. I think this was just a cashgrab for them, like I explained already in my thread. What you just wrote just enforced my belief that they wasted the story, the characters and the setting with these lame writers. The horrible voice actors and their delivery didn't help either. Shame. I really hope Valhalla will at least partially wash away the very bad taste in my mouth that Odyssey left.okay, this turned out much longer than i planned to, sry it tldr stuff, and yes: spoilers ahead for odyssey
To be honest, as soon as i met Aspasia in the game i was like "She is the ghost"
They could´ve elaborated more on that but the way it was, it was okay. Of course it would been possible to do it better. What happened was that: Aspasia, as wife of Perikles and being on the forefront of athenean democracy saw through the flaws of said form of organizing a polis (citystate), which were presented with the conflict between perikles and Kleon (regardless of kleons membership in the cult) and the blatant populism on the one hand and the sheer arrogance of the selfrighteous bourgeious. So in her position she was a focal point of athenean society (and therefore the greek world in general, so it had to be a figure like her to be the hed of the cult) and apart many things, she was the supposed teacher of socrates, which explains her final words perfectly. The Cult was established when parts of the Hermes Cult around phytagoras (centered around keeping the world in balance, since that was a leading motive of greek worldview but not only greeks but more ancient in general) went rogue for individual gain and became the cult of cosmos.
The hermesian cult got lost, phytagoras went on to keep the secret of atlantis and the cult of cosmos took over greek society. When Aspasia took the leadership she wanted to establish an order throughout society to serve for the good of the people (this is basically pure platos politeia, since she was socrates teacher its actually pretty neat and keeps socrates from being involved with the cult) and led by a philosophers king (watch out for hints towards marcus antonius in valhalla!) but the cult very much already established a life of its own for the personal gains of its members, who were random parts of greek society but together were more than the sum of its parts which is why a special hero was needed to demolish the order in total. Canonically Aspasia survived the events of the game and went on trying to accomplish her vision. The first DLC and the order of ancients plays into this (but it is a bit weird in terms of timing, becasue the dlc took place before the other stories were finished, which never happened to players which is why there are those great inconsistencies in the story) because with killing the rotten cult of cosmos the eagle bearing misthios helped aspasia and made room for the order of ancients to move into the void.
In the end it may seem like a swerve for the sake of a swerve but i think it is a great idea because this way it becomes the equivalent of the homeric epics. You set the wheels in motion for "modern history" in AC as did the Odyssey and the Illiad for the reality of the westernwhite civilization. The mythological/philosophical platform on which it stands. And they could do so while checking off ancient greece off the bucket list in terms of scenarios. But of course due to the dlc and lack of pacing of the game and dlc for the sake of being a rpg and the lack of overall consistency (the point i bitch about all the time) which can be seen very much in layla in the game (although i don´t dislike her actions, it just can be so much better written or communicated between writers/teams. but again: lack of overall overarching QA/planning/etc.).
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