Peterthumpa
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I'm playing Unity with pristine IQ and it looks just as good as on these PC screenshots... on my PS4.
Remote Play to the rescue, downsampling FTW.
Remote Play to the rescue, downsampling FTW.
Assassin's Creed Unity -- The graphics "leap" we've all been waiting for.
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bryanee
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Combat has been made a chore in this one. It might be a tad harder but its nowhere near as fun.
The fact that I cant grab some one and use them as a human shield is bullshit.
mugurumakensei
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buy a gaming pc. you have the option to upgrade when you want even after the initial purchase, and, if you buy a recent core i5 or core i7, you'll be good to go for 12 years or more with just upgrading ram and graphics card.
Brerlappin
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That does indeed suck, but i just got myself a Greatsword and god damn its fun to use. Fells really like im murdering the shit out of those guards with it, its got such heft to it lol
BrassDragon
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HBAO+, TXAA, Windowed Borderless, Enviornment: Very High, Resolution 1600x900, Soft Soft Shadows PCSS, Texture: Ultra High.
mattman5000
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A few more, because why not?
Also I just put ISS back in, and it still looks good, but frankly, after playing Unity it's just not that impressive any more.....this game makes other great looking games look worse
Also I just put ISS back in, and it still looks good, but frankly, after playing Unity it's just not that impressive any more.....this game makes other great looking games look worse
Peterthumpa
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Not really... this ain't Counter Strike sir. Also, I'm playing using direct connection, PS4 in the same network as the Vita. No noticeable difference.And adding additional latency to an already poor performing game?
Better man than I.
BrassDragon
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Brerlappin
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Incredible. Looks like a CGI bullshot
lordfuzzybutt
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How do you make it so clean? Settings please?
mattman5000
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I play at everything maxed @ 3200x1800 2xMSAA, but for the screen shots I bump it up to 4xMSAA (still playable ~30fps with dips and stutters, but not enjoyable). I would do 8xMSAA but it cripples my system (I get less than 1 frame a second and I takes about 5 min to take a single non moving screenshot). I'm using Steam uncompressed screens, then re saving then as JPGs in photoshop (zero editing other than the occasional crop).
And one more from the screen shot thread because the lighting and reflections look amazing....
jim2point0
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Take a screenshot from that same vantage point. If there's a clear difference, I'll submit this as a bug.
mattman5000
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The game is really good though. Good story, amazing atmosphere, solid to great missions, better combat than previous ACs, better free run controls...and it just happens to be the best looking game to date.
thelastword
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You and another poster, I believe he has a "dr." in his username (hope i'm not mistaken) has some of the best shots in this thread, they all look downsampled with nice Iq. I'm pretty certain you guys also have some of the best rigs in this thread, yet here you are calling a spade a spade, it's quite refreshing.Just fast traveled to this tower.
LOD: The Game.
Respect to Yibby too, he was honest enough to say that his 1080p, fxaa shots was captured at 10fps, I can respect opinions from you guys going on. Most times PC guys won't even tell you at what framerate they take pics.
Is this a downsampled shot, looks very clean. Also why is it 1000*525 or some odd number?I have to agree with the thread title. A few technical issues aside, I don't think there is a better looking game out now, or on the horizon. It just makes most other new games (that still look really good) look last gen.
jim2point0
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This is the Ubishot from the same area.
In-game holds up pretty well here, sans depth of field.
mattman5000
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Screen shots are at 3200x1800 @ 4xMSAA
Also, if there was ever a game that needed a screen shot mode, this one has to be it. I really hope Ubisoft adds it in
PLASTICA-MAN
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I didn't invent such claim. Hi-Visions aka Dylan the owner of Q-Games confirmed that in this even Neogaf. Talk to him, not me. Naughty Dog are aiming very high with Unchrated 4: No More pre-rendred cut-scenes, graphics of the final game looking betetr than the reveal (and not worse), dynamic GI, all that in 60 FPS. Wait and see.
Sounds like an absolute pipe dream.
Well I'm too lazy to set up settings for perfect screenshots at low framerates so all of mine I've posted are gameplay at 30 fps
.I'll probably try better AA next time I get to play.
DR2K
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It doesn't get them right if the game performs like shit even with high end pcs. Anyone can pile of effects and npcs with no regard to resolution or framerate, much less deadlines and bugs. It's a good looking game, but it's flat out insulting to call it the leap we've been waiting for.
JordanN
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The Last of Us was using hybrid global illumination. Some of it was baked, some of it was real time.
PS4, obviously being the much stronger system to work with, makes real time GI even more easier. To what extent Naughty Dog has done this in Uncharted 4, we'll have to wait and see.
However, we just had someone visit Naughty Dog recently and claim Uncharted 4 was photorealistic. I doubt you could garner that reaction, if everything was fake.
jim2point0
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If you ask me what my frame rate is when I take screenshots, I'll tell you.
I don't take screenshots to show people what my game looks like a native resolution during typical gameplay situations. There are a bunch of people that do that. I like pretty pictures, so I downsample out the wazoo and I don't use IQ destroying AA techniques. I usually add my resolution with the first few shots I post in the high-res screenshot thread (FYI, anywhere from 5120x2880 to 6400x3600 for this game).
People that post screenshots to show how impressive a game looks are typically liars by omission. They'll post the best-case scenarios for a game, which I'm wont to do as well. But I've run into so many situations where this game just flat-out looks like garbage. And it bothers me, because I feel like my game is either fucked up, or Ubisoft really dropped the ball with the LOD in this one. It seems worse than any other AC I've played.
So yeah, I'm not going to sugar-coat Unity. In some cases, it's one of the best looking games I've seen. But a lot of the time, it looks like shit. And that's usually any situation where you can see beyond 30 meters. NPCs look bad at any distance though.
mattman5000
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I'll grant you that the game does have some serious LOD issues, but when playing the game, most are not that noticeable (excluding the random NPC clothing pop-in from 5 meters away). And I have yet to run into a situation where the "game just flat-out looks like garbage." There are areas that do not look as impressive, but only because so many of the game's other areas are that much more impressive.
Also, I've never experienced an LOD issue like the previous screen you posted. Where on the map is that located? I want to go check it out.
Yeah, and what's this assertion about "the leap we've ALL been waiting for"...? When did visuals alone constitute any sort of "leap" for videogames at all, what about performance/gameplay leaps? That's the only "leaps" we should ever be concerned with. When did this "community" as it calls itself, become so infatuated by surface layer visuals alone as some sort of real talk selling point for the "quality" of a GAME. Seems like a bunch of hot air and personal IQ masturbation to me, completely ignorant to the fact that aspect alone is simply a complimentary accoutrement of gaming, not what it's really all about which these day's comes down to gameplay and performance, period.
So when OP talks about this imaginary "leap" we've all been waiting for, I don't know what the fuck he's talking about.
jim2point0
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Southwest corner of the map. There's some farmland down there. I'm at work so I can't post a screenshot of the exact tower location
AnyoneInCherno
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You know Jim, I'm a fan of yours and naturally I've seen all your Unity shots (which, by the way, are fantastic - and it's a shame 1.2 broke your free cam), but you seem to have a lot more problems with the LOD than I do. It's not the best ever, but my game's LOD looks much better than yours. Have you tried reinstalling the game, drivers, or switching out your GPU temporarily?
jim2point0
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I don't have a GPU to switch it out with. I am using the latest drivers, and I always completely wipe out my old drivers before installing new ones.
But I'll try reinstalling the game tonight and revisiting that same tower on the map.
Also, version 1.2 didn't break my freecam. It broke the anti-cheat bypass... but you can still use it if you have a version 1.1 ACU.exe lying around (which I do).
There never was a real freecam though. The camera auto-centers on Arno even when you disable the code that updates the camera location (99% of games let you fly around with the camera freely). So the best you can do is fix the camera in place (by disabling the auto-center) which means you can't move or rotate the camera anymore. Just lets you move Arno wherever you want before taking a screenshot. Not incredibly useful, so I didn't bother updating anything to version 1.2.
AnyoneInCherno
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Okay, best of luck with the reinstall then, as there's definitely something wrong on your end. Also, could you please point me towards the link for your freecam?
MickeyKnox
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Southwest corner of the map. There's some farmland down there. I'm at work so I can't post a screenshot of the exact tower location
It's not just you, as I've been saying this whole time, the game looks INCREDIBLE within a very small radius of your character and like some 32 bit era dog shit running through an emulator at a distance. Which makes the whole "linear games are pushing less detail" line of argument kind of hilarious.
thelastword
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Your conclusion is pretty much the same as mine, thanks for the info and the honesty. It just baffled me a bit that some could lump so much praise on a game which is half baked in so many ways, it's like telling the developer, it's ok you have a perfect looking game here.
It's also a bit disingenuous to witness persons with much lower specs than you, who could never get the game looking as good as you can, be the most vocal to the "the leap we've been waiting for tune". I don't deny the game looks good in parts, I don't deny that it has nice lighting and art but some people are just off their rockers.
Anyways, I'll be getting a gaming pc sometime next year in time for the whole DX12 shebang, so a dx12 gpu and the latest intel cpu, I'll be sure to revisit all these games. I'm also pretty sure that in-game graphics will be much more impressive than what we've seen thus far, at least to truly compliment the title of the OP.
mattman5000
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Just fast traveled to this tower.
LOD: The Game.
Ok...so that looks rather bad...but it was really pretty climbing up!
jim2point0
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Based on 2 other shots form the same location, it's definitely not just me. That's kind of upsetting. I was hoping it was, so that maybe I could fix the issue and the game would look better.
And there is no link to the freecam as I never uploaded it (for the reasons already described). I don't upload half-assed work
Maybe some day they'll add a photo mode. Or maybe I'll get better with cheat engine in order to properly code my own camera rotation. But this is what I have to learn, and then code that in assembly
thelastword
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I could have sworn that in prior games, these synchronize points were some of the most if the not the most impressive vista points in the game, the detail in the distance would hold out pretty well.
mattman5000
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I think this shitty LOD in that area has to do with its openness. Seems like ground textures and objects degrade much worse at distances. The building LODs could still be better, but most of the vantage points look really good.
mattman5000
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Yeah, GTX980 SLI - GPU Clock @ 1544, Mem Clock @ 3648 + i7-3930k @ 4.6
MickeyKnox
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Same building, Dat "Graphics Leap"
Nobody said that visuals were the only important/redeeming thing in games. The thread title specifically mentions he is talking about graphics here.
But yes, we're all so ignorant and doing things wrong and you're doing it right by coming into a graphics thread and complaining about people caring about graphics. Well fucking done man.
Really? Dang, I haven't played Watch Dogs for a while. It was the only Ubisoft game that really gave me any issues. I could maintain a capped 30fps with downsampling and maxed settings, except textures on high and anti-aliasing at 2x TXAA. To me the game looked great (although not nearly as good as Unity), but it would get these occasional framerate drops when assets would have to stream in. If it has improved that much and runs smoothly now I would like to go back and play it.
Everything lighting related is baked in Last of Us, its exactly described in the presentation You posted. The only 'real time' component is a tech for indirect AO for characters based on very simplified models and one precomputed light vector and cheap light bounce approximation for a flashlight in some levels.
I'm not even comment on some guy's opinion, thats just pathetic argument in tech related discussion.
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Link it, because i was participating in GI discussion with a Q dev and dont remember anything about ND.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=887777
Lol You probably read this post in a wrong way: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128257433&postcount=56
Dylan has no idea what U4 is using - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135918169&postcount=346
Exactly. I don't know why some people can't understand this. Every game that is capped at 30fps and maintains it fairly steadily would actually be able to output higher average framerates if you uncapped it. To maintain 30fps you have to have 30fps as a minimum. But framerates are always variable when they aren't capped. What has to be rendered at any given time in a game isn't equal, it varies a lot, and with it so does the framerate.
The fact that when I cap ISS at 30fps I still get occasional framerate drops shows that it's not any different than most other decently running 30fps console games.
VFX_Veteran
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I actually prefer the new combat system. I hated that I could kill in 1 counter. I wish they would have had the variety of kills though with the hand-to-hand fighting. But I'm glad they brought back all the 2h weapons and stuff from Brotherhood. That was missing as well.
Hey, just a little tip: if you can't get a smooth framerate at 1080p with the settings you like, it doesn't necessarily mean you have to drop down to 1600 x 900. Remember that you can also make custom resolutions as well in the Nvidia Control Panel, just like we do for downsampling. Make several custom 16 x 9 resolutions (such as 1728 x 972 or 1856 x 1044) and try them out to find the sweet spot.
Watch Dogs too, but You cant see it, because the framerate is locked in 30hz.
Its irrelevant if thats 40 or 35fps. Every game that has stable, locked 30 fps generally runs at around 40, because devs optimize around the most expensive situations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVLNVdkxYOE
And this is hardly average 40fps in open world. It cant keep up with 40fps while not doing nothing other than standing on the train and after.
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I've played Warframe in 60fps with Physx on and much more particles with turbulence physics than Infamous.
And no, its not a bullshit with 30fps cap game. And the best example would be that You cant lock framerate at 40fps and do not have frame drops in Infamous. Game is constantly hitting low 30 and sometimes even lower than 30 for a brief moment, which exactly means that it is the same as other locked 30hz games.
You just dont see framerate in those, because hey, they are locked.
Fully agree. There's this narrative that some are trying to push that this is a beautiful but crappy game. It's like they ignore the fact that many of us are saying we are really enjoying the game and that the game got plenty of 9s and 8s from reviewers as well. If they have played the game and personally don't enjoy it, that's one thing, but to claim it is just a bad game in general is just wrong.
Well, by not doing nothing, you mean standing on an elevated train which is moving with a whole bunch of shit rendering around it. The fact that the character is simply standing there hardly means anything.
During typical gameplay, I would say it is probably 40fps average for the most part. Seems to show that in this analysis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyefdMlnriE
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