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August Wrasslin' |OT 2| All popped everything ft. Injuries too
- Thread starter Bluekaveli
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Deleted member 47027
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Has zero to do with those specifics. I'm not suggesting because Rollins dated a nazi taxi driver that that's why people hate him. It's a perceived thing that he's unsafe and dangerous (when he's really not, these things happen and can happen to anyone) which has made people legitimately hate him. He's playing into it too.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
I don't really care about Brock being a shit. His job is to show up a few times a year and wreck someone, and he does that admirably. His views on anything not that are farts in the void.
Bluekaveli
Member
I understand what you're saying and i'm not saying you're wrong at all, but at some point where's the line? what can we use to drive the crowd against someone and what can't we use?
and that's not ok, obviously, I was talking in general since heels aren't heels anymore
that's the risk, and I agree that it wouldn't work in America
spindashing
Banned
Yeah, I was surprised when I saw that Don't Tread On Me sign.
...what the hell
When your supposed lead face uses stereotypical insults like calling someone's Russian wife a mail order bride, why would hate speech draw any heel heat?
Marvel
could never
Depends on whether or not it's midnight in your TZ.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
That's what I'm upset about. It always comes off as defense of shit behavior, and it's never just one person making these types of comments or excuses for the toxicity. And yes, hate speech.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm pretty sure he's just being sarcastic based on Sunny (apparently) arguing that disliking Lesnar for his personal views is "new kayfabe" or something (which is a made-up term to dismiss someone's opinion as them getting worked).
dream
Member
I may publish my thesis on The New Kayfabe on legitshook.com. I'm pondering this right now. But in the meantime, what you need to know is:
The inherent contradiction that wrestling fans face is that they know professional wrestling is fake, but at the same time, they need to believe it's real--otherwise, what's the point of watching 8-12 hours a week, or however much you guys watch, of pro wrestling? Wrestling fans are also ravenous for information on and discussions of pro wrestling and, with the advent of the Internet, have many places in which they can read and talk about pro wrestling. So my theory of The New Kayfabe posits that wrestling bookers now book their promotions using multiple layers. There are the obvious good guy/bad guy dichotomous angles. But there's also the "real" angles that they share with only the most "inside" of fans. Jericho tried to fight Brock. Sasha "popped." Sin Cara pulled a gun on El Patron. Brock "went into business for himself" against RKO. And it's all booked to look organic--think about how NXT fans believe that the promotion is something that they created and are a part of, for example--allowing bookers to work fans that pride themselves on being too "smart" to work, aka all of you.
The inherent contradiction that wrestling fans face is that they know professional wrestling is fake, but at the same time, they need to believe it's real--otherwise, what's the point of watching 8-12 hours a week, or however much you guys watch, of pro wrestling? Wrestling fans are also ravenous for information on and discussions of pro wrestling and, with the advent of the Internet, have many places in which they can read and talk about pro wrestling. So my theory of The New Kayfabe posits that wrestling bookers now book their promotions using multiple layers. There are the obvious good guy/bad guy dichotomous angles. But there's also the "real" angles that they share with only the most "inside" of fans. Jericho tried to fight Brock. Sasha "popped." Sin Cara pulled a gun on El Patron. Brock "went into business for himself" against RKO. And it's all booked to look organic--think about how NXT fans believe that the promotion is something that they created and are a part of, for example--allowing bookers to work fans that pride themselves on being too "smart" to work, aka all of you.
Bluekaveli
Member
I don't know what he waa thinking.
Roflmfao! As long as you're doing 200 reps.Fuck yeah.
I use 15's these days
slightconfuse
Banned
People thinking Seth is dangerous
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Deleted member 47027
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Nope, it's about the foundation of the Jericho/Lesnar altercation, I haven't even seen any report confirming slurs were used.
I'm honestly shocked and honestly very saddened that anyone would label me in the way Sweeney Tom did. Especially when you consider how people have told me I've contributed to "ruining" the wrasslin thread and pushed for people to get rid of a whole lot of really shitty practices. And don't get me wrong, it's a group effort, and everyone pitches in and I appreciate people being on my side helping make this community more respectable. It's just a shame how quickly how the community was and how it is is forgotten so fast.
Something like that.....
Brian_FETO
Banned
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that's a good post, but i'm way too smart to get worked by worked shoot brother
Bluekaveli
Member
I do 200 reps with a mixture of 20,25,30,35, 40,45,and 50. Shit really gives you a nice burn. I'll get back to using the whole bar eventually but just using the dumb bells have been more interesting.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
What this actually is is an excuse to dismiss basically anyone's argument about anything related to wrestling by claiming the person with the opinion is just getting worked and therefore its not worth discussing.
There isn't any evidence whatsoever to suggest that Lesnar saying he hates gay people is a work.
Marvel
could never
Not sure, I took the blue pill.
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Deleted member 47027
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It's not actually that deep I don't think. People searching for something real within the act that they want to believe, and they do.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Example from just yesterday: if you're truly serious about being progressive to your audience, having a jobber who gets killed talk about liking big sweaty guys who kill right before? That? That's the type of stuff you don't use.
That's one example. Essentially if you need to get over by either being or making fun of a stereotype or caricature of a group of people, you're outdated and awful.
It's just aggravating because it is really fucking easy to do comedy that isn't bigoted. "Both sides" is bullshit. People have been doing comedy since the first pie to the face. It should be really easy to do wrestling that isn't bigoted too. Not every match needs a storyline, and not every storyline needs a punchline at a minority's expense. Why are we always punchlines
To me wrestling works/is fun because everything is always towing the line between fiction and reality. And it must have maddening consequences.
Just look at Hogan. The dude doesn't even know who he is anymore. And even that is people saying that he's just working a work that he's always working except when home etc. marks.
dream
Member
That's what we get and deserve for following the carniest form of carny entertainment.
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Deleted member 47027
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I never said it was, though.
I'm referring to the situation between him and Jericho. Not an interview from 2004. Nor would I dismiss it. The closest I am to dismissing something shitty is the AJ stuff. Because God DAMMIT I hope he has learned and has changed. I hope he has.
BronsonLee
Member
Of course I did, I used you guys as a stepping stone to climb the Internet Ladder
How is wrestling going to change when Vince is still in charge. All the progress is basically dragging, kicking, and screaming to get anywhere. And that's how it is with everything, some stuff slower than most. And with wrestling supposedly catering to the lowest common denominator it's been one heck of a climb
brother
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Deleted member 47027
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Welcome to Shitsville. And welcome back
I agree so i'll just end it here and say I was kinda wrong, I don't want to play devils advocate and have this thread get future endeavor'd
And now you've fallen off the top like a Hardy boy prior to being broken?
BronsonLee
Member
This is probably your fault tbh
Nope I've died and went to WrassleHell
Bluekaveli
Member
I've been seeing you get rolled up by a few people. I think it's time you come home where you can at least keep your heat!
Huh, I wonder if I died so suddenly I never knew and that's how I ended up back here.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
As long as you don't think I'm some tremendous piece of shit, I'm ok. Words can hurt, but can also heal.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Said it in private but I also feel I need to publicly say sorry for the venting and sorry to GAFVinceSunny and everyone else
Yep
Yep
Uno Venova
Banned
When I'm in NPD threads.
The same look everyone had last night
blackaroni
Member
Great investigative work on Stormfront Seth, Cagey.I hadn't noticed until the Legit Shook Summerslam review, which is fantastic and the Ambrose:Ziggler section is an inspired takedown of why the buildup made no damn sense... but what the hell IS WWE doing having Seth with variants of white power symbols as his new logo, and the damn symbol without the SR straight up in his entrance.
www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/celtic-cross.html
