Bryan's slow heel turn at the end of last year was impressively done.
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Bryan's slow heel turn at the end of last year was impressively done.
UberTag
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That one was nice but it didn't feel like D.Brine stayed a face too long after cashing in his briefcase.
It was disguised somewhat due to having an extended feud with Mark Henry but it wasn't as drawn out as those other two examples.
Still well-executed, though... no question about that.
Punk's been pretty much full heel since laying out The Rock. He's just exercising decorum still.
Chickenshitting his way out of a triple threat match, demanding respect ad infinitum and acknowledging claims that he's turned his back on the WWE Universe barely two weeks after a turn doesn't scream slow burn to me.
I will say that he's still evolving his eventual heel persona. We shouldn't be judging that until post-Summerslam.
Ryback is boring because all of the matches he's been in have been squash matches, there's no "oh no I wonder if he's gonna lose" threat/element to his matches.
I want someone to come out, a bigger name, a big guy and have a match with him. Whether he wins or loses is irrelevant, but I want to see him in an actual match.
I want someone to come out, a bigger name, a big guy and have a match with him. Whether he wins or loses is irrelevant, but I want to see him in an actual match.
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They spend 1.5 months doing Punk's heel turn there, it was great - even better because the turn happened due to circumstance, not due to a character shift - though that came later. It was great.
As I did last week, I'll catch the show on Youtube.
Ongoing thoughts, now.
- still not liking AJ as GM, though blends in well with the rest of the melodramatic crap
- Wade Barrett return promo, I like
- three hour show, Christian-Del Rio gets three minutes, lolol, fucking WWE
- can't give a win for Show over Orton clean, can they?
- I give it a month or so until Randy's back in the WWE/World title hunt, good punishment for getting suspended
- snore, a Raw Divas match
- using Shawn again to put over HHH's match, goddamit
- a Lesnar-Michaels feud would have been amazing
- Jericho was gold on commentary
- Ziggler-Jericho best feud atm, too bad Chris is leaving to tour
- Cena-Bryan was pretty dang good, better than the sloppy Cena-Punk stuff
- Punk attempts to kick Show, blocked, and KO. lol looked funny. so they let Show end the show like that, but they didn't land him a victory earlier in the night. well thought out
Ongoing thoughts, now.
- still not liking AJ as GM, though blends in well with the rest of the melodramatic crap
- Wade Barrett return promo, I like
- three hour show, Christian-Del Rio gets three minutes, lolol, fucking WWE
- can't give a win for Show over Orton clean, can they?
- I give it a month or so until Randy's back in the WWE/World title hunt, good punishment for getting suspended
- snore, a Raw Divas match
- using Shawn again to put over HHH's match, goddamit
- a Lesnar-Michaels feud would have been amazing
- Jericho was gold on commentary
- Ziggler-Jericho best feud atm, too bad Chris is leaving to tour
- Cena-Bryan was pretty dang good, better than the sloppy Cena-Punk stuff
- Punk attempts to kick Show, blocked, and KO. lol looked funny. so they let Show end the show like that, but they didn't land him a victory earlier in the night. well thought out
Was actually just about to do the same, but this saved me tons of time. Thanks, Striker! I'll check out that Cena-Bryan match though.
Holy shit, that crowd was insane for Bryan. Absolutely amazing.
What's wrong with it?
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Well there's a couple things.
1. It feels forced, which stinks when it's Punk's character because the legitimacy behind what he does affects it so much.
2. They're being very careful to make sure he doesn't get cheered as a badass heel, in which his character suffers a bit.
3. They're concerned about having him go too crazy due to the DVD release. They want big sales!
Honestly #1 and #2 kind of neuter what he COULD be, which makes me sad. That's all. It is a delicate, careful turn that they need to pay a lot of attention to.
Very true. They should have done the DVD sooner :/
Yeah I love Henry too, but Big Show is better for this feud.
He's really not though. Big Show will always look like a big goober. Mark Henry has better mannerisms as well. Big Show still does things to appeal to the crowd like 'hye ima use mah punch' and 'hey ima chokeslam'. And his heelness consists of going GRLGGLGLGGLGLGLGL
Rosa's still employed.
ROSA
I know, and it's been too long of a ride.
Perspicacity
Banned
Vince isn't going to fire his former son
I disagree. His reasoning has been sound from a kayfabe point of view. The proud CM Punk is not the focus of the show, even though he's been champ for longer then anyone for a while. He's not respected, constantly interupted, etc.
I find the reasons for him snapping on the Rock and Big Show\Cena to be quite understandable.
As said, I'd GTS Cena as well. And then kick his bloody stupid cap out of the ring Lesnar style.
So yeah, if I as a viewer get sick of Cena, I can imagine someone on the level of Punk (if it wasn't for Bryan he'd be the best worker in WWE) is being kept down by the same Cena doing half-assed promo's and mediocre in-ring work I'd get pissed off as well. Esp. if the crowd would be behind me as well.
And it is his reasoning that makes his turn so gradually, he feels justified in his actions and in his wording. Part of the crowd does as well, judging by him still getting cheered. On the other hand, when he speaks aloud against Cena the crowd starts cheering, which pisses him off. When he's talking to AJ in the ring, Cena's music hits interupting him (and he comes out striking a Superman-pose btw, nice one Cena, fu!) and he gets pissed off. Etc.
So no, he's nowhere near full heel yet, because they're doing a slow turn and each week Punk will turn more and more on the audience, but feel justified in doing so. His reasoning currently is understandable, but will become less and less so. The only strange reasoning so far was against AJ for putting him in a 3-way after he himself made it so no #1 contender was crowned.
Nocturnowl
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So I had another trip to Ryback station today, you know, the one station from the dream I had the other month with Ryback killing other wrasslers for no reason.
And get a load of this newly added piece of Grafitti I spotted on the bridge...
IT'S THAT DAMN DX!
No I don't get why it's red and yellow either....unless it was the Hulkster brother!
And get a load of this newly added piece of Grafitti I spotted on the bridge...
IT'S THAT DAMN DX!
No I don't get why it's red and yellow either....unless it was the Hulkster brother!
Backstage Fallout for Raw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLAHTzryEOg#t=3m40s
I put in the timestamp for D-Bry, the rest are Kelly Kelly, A-Ri and Reks/Curtis. None of which are of any importance to anyone. Whatever you do, don't watch from the start, unless you really want to rewatch Kelly Kelly try to run the ropes and nearly botch her roll-up.
I put in the timestamp for D-Bry, the rest are Kelly Kelly, A-Ri and Reks/Curtis. None of which are of any importance to anyone. Whatever you do, don't watch from the start, unless you really want to rewatch Kelly Kelly try to run the ropes and nearly botch her roll-up.
Perspicacity
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With any luck Punk will cement this "heel" turn by putting Jerry Lawler in a coma
Cole gets a lot of stick (because he is bad) but Lawler is worse IMO. This guy needs to be replaced.
Nocturnowl
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I've yet to express my disappointment that Lesnar did not fuck Shawn up something fierce on Raw, not only does Brock continue to look kind of like a chump it also means DX are still able to pop over to Blighty and vandalize my local station.
I buy Heyman as a bigger threat than Lesnar at this point, I bet Heyman could talk HHH into defeat at Summerslam.
I buy Heyman as a bigger threat than Lesnar at this point, I bet Heyman could talk HHH into defeat at Summerslam.
Heyman could talk anyone into defeat. The man is amazing.
I'LL SEE YOU..... AT SUMMERSLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paracelsus
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Cole is a good announcer handled like shit, Lawler is bad both as face and heel. The only, THE ONLY good thing about him are the background chuckling whenever you have a wrestler owning someone at the microphone.
Brock said he'd see HBK before Summerslam. If this was attitude era he would F5 HBK while he was at church. Like.. right on the altar!
Whatever the case, it will probably be some sort of attack outside the ring.
slightconfuse
Banned
Cole can be good a times just look at NXT 3 cole.
King is a senile fool and needs to leave. i just tune him out because he is so bad.
King is a senile fool and needs to leave. i just tune him out because he is so bad.
Cole is not a good announcer though. He doesn't recognise most of the moves for fucks sake.
Worse of all, he tries to cover it up by saying stuff as "high risk maneuver" or "he's coming off the top rope" instead of calling the actual move.
Also, "vintage this" and "vintage that"
Worse of all, he tries to cover it up by saying stuff as "high risk maneuver" or "he's coming off the top rope" instead of calling the actual move.
Also, "vintage this" and "vintage that"
butter_stick
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Michael Cole is the greatest talent in WWE history.
That's what he's told to say.
Nocturnowl
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Brock should get a mute gimmick like essentially back in his debut days.
This just shows how little attention I pay when Lesnar gets the microphone, or of this storyline in general.
To save from using up another one of Lesnar's dates WWE will probably just have HHH receive a phone call telling him Shawn was attacked by a MYSTERY attacker, HHH will go to the hospital and HBK will be like
Then HHH will start yelling stuff like IT'S PERSONAL! THIS BUSINESS!
Oh man now i've got the HHH/HBK SS2002 hype vid in my mind, now that was one hell of a Summerslam.
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He was awesome as the crazy, perverted bastard in the Attitude Era. He meshed with JR like no other. Also, it sounded like he actually cared back then. Not so much now.
I'll believe he's fed alot of his lines, sure. The vintage stuff is just filler he says, I doubt he's fed every one of his lines.
Regardless, the commentary is shit, wether its Cole channeling Vince or Cole being Cole.
slightconfuse
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i would love to see scott stanford and regal take over raw and cole stay on smackdown.
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Am I the only one dying for a Schiavone YouShoot?
butter_stick
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Heyman and JR on Raw
Cold and Regal on Smackdown.
Pls Vince
Cold and Regal on Smackdown.
Pls Vince
spindashing
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Cole was intolerable on the commentary booth a few months ago. But, recently he has calmed down and is doing a decent job. Sure, Cole doesn't call the moves 100%, but he isn't taking away from the match that goes on anymore which was my biggest gripe with him. He actually did a better job on commentary than Lawler did last night.
funkystudent
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Yeah Cole has gotten better but both Cole and Lawler sound so bored on the mic most of the time it doesnt really matter. The commentary still sucks.
Bring back JR, get Striker back on commentary, get Booker on Raw. I just want someone to be marking the fuck out and getting me pumped by them being pumped during matches.
Commentary is probably the most important part of the presentation and they really are doing a poor job in that regard. A meh match can seem great with the right people calling it and right now they dont have the right people calling matches.
Better commentary would probably help ratings as well.
Perspicacity
Banned
I'm happy with JR and Regal where they are.
Best commentary team deserves to be on the best show.
Best commentary team deserves to be on the best show.
Vince does not like it when commentators continuously call out wrestling moves. I believe Joey Styles mentioned this. Dude was constantly berated by Vince or something.
Perspicacity
Banned
Maybe he'll spare us that agony and just get arrested again.
I can already hear modern day Cole and King calling the 98 hell in a cell...
*Foley falls off cage into announce table*
*silence*
Cole: ohmygod
*silence*