Reneledarker
Banned
Oh ROH...
Poor Elgin, going back to ROH is going to suck, I kinda want him to become a NJPW regular.
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August Wrasslin |OT| The Sunday of Summer
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Oh ROH...
Poor Elgin, going back to ROH is going to suck, I kinda want him to become a NJPW regular.
I could see him immediately being plugged into the Makabe/Ishii eternal NEVER title scene. Especially after that match he just had with Ishii.
FallingEdge
Member
so is voicesofwrestling getting any money out of the deal?
Frecklestein
Banned
Basically. Once Vince became a less prominent fixture as THE HEEL, Austin seemed kinda.. aimless? He was still great, but he was at his best with Vince. Then the Rock started getting bigger. Trips started nipping at their heels, Jericho etc; the roster got stacked and fast. Other people were just doing more interesting stuff than Austin.
Then towards the end, as Data said, it was just WHAT. BOTTOM LINE. STONE COLD SAID SO. 3:16. ARRIVE RAISE HELL LEAVE. etc; But he was Stone Cold Steve Austin, and we loved him so he got a pass.
Frecklestein
Banned
It's true that he wasn't clean his entire career
Reneledarker
Banned
I think he is going to feud with Goto for a while to give the Intercontinental title some flavor, but he would be a good NEVER title contender, hes match with Ishii was great and he could have an awesome match whit Makabe, but it seems Ibushi is going to feud with him for a while.
He's an incredible catch phrase toting, beer swilling, vehicle riding, still being kinda evil stunning people at random face though.
Frecklestein
Banned
WWE show was pretty good. Started with Eden announcing that due to injury, Cena wouldn't be there, and the boos immediately rained down, such that you could barely hear her say that refunds were available if desired. Lots of disappointed kids. He was supposed to face Owens, who came out and mocked Cena, and then talked about how shit Detroit was. This led into Jericho entering, and they had a match after a couple flat minutes of back and forth chat. Okay match, won by Jericho after countering the pop-up powerbomb with a half-botched codebreaker.
Six man tag with Sandow/Axel/Ryder against Matadors/Bo Dallas followed, won by Sandow and co. Parent behind me: What's he saying? Bo-lieve? Small kid: That's his name! Bo Lieve! Sheamus squashed Fandango in about 15 seconds, didn't even bother to take his shirt off. He then cut a promo shitting on Detroit as well, and his eventual cash in. Crowd got a "you look stupid" chant going, which he responded to by pointing out various audience members and saying they looked stupid. <shrugs>
Neville then beat Stardust in a meh match. Neville took forever to line up the Red Arrow. New Day vs PTP next, won by PTP. Pretty fun match. Big E was great as the guy on the outside.
After the break, divas tag match between Brie/Alicia Fox and Charlotte/Paige with Becky at ringside. Generally a decent match, won by Charlotte after getting Alicia in her Figure 4. Biggest pop of the match was the crowd yes-ing to Brie doing the Bryan kicks. Cesaro vs Rusev was next, and Rusev dominated most of the match, until Lana came out after Summer Rae distracted Cesaro from going for a pin. She ran Summer into a ringpost, and Cesaro got the surprise roll-up win while Rusev was distracted. Crowd popped big time for Lana. Cesaro then stole Rusev's flag and ran off to the back with it, with Rusev trundling after in pursuit. Not as good a match as I'd have hoped but okay.
People apparently had no idea Ambrose-Rollins match was last, as quite a few people began filing out, rushing back to their seats when Ambrose's music hit. Ambrose got maybe the biggest pop of the night. Seth attacked before the bell, and the match began. Pretty enjoyable 20-plus minutes, with the expected chair/kendo stick/table spots. WWE needs to buy better tables; Rollins pulled out two tables that had the leg fixtures falling off of them, even spending a good 10-15 seconds trying to get one to stay on. Crowd got a laugh out of that. Ambrose hit Shitty Deeds to go for the pin when Sheamus ran in to pull him off and act like he was cashing in. Ambrose knocked Sheamus out of the ring only to have Seth pedigree him for the win. Ambrose then attacked Sheamus before posing for a lot of selfies in the crowd as people left.
Six man tag with Sandow/Axel/Ryder against Matadors/Bo Dallas followed, won by Sandow and co. Parent behind me: What's he saying? Bo-lieve? Small kid: That's his name! Bo Lieve! Sheamus squashed Fandango in about 15 seconds, didn't even bother to take his shirt off. He then cut a promo shitting on Detroit as well, and his eventual cash in. Crowd got a "you look stupid" chant going, which he responded to by pointing out various audience members and saying they looked stupid. <shrugs>
Neville then beat Stardust in a meh match. Neville took forever to line up the Red Arrow. New Day vs PTP next, won by PTP. Pretty fun match. Big E was great as the guy on the outside.
After the break, divas tag match between Brie/Alicia Fox and Charlotte/Paige with Becky at ringside. Generally a decent match, won by Charlotte after getting Alicia in her Figure 4. Biggest pop of the match was the crowd yes-ing to Brie doing the Bryan kicks. Cesaro vs Rusev was next, and Rusev dominated most of the match, until Lana came out after Summer Rae distracted Cesaro from going for a pin. She ran Summer into a ringpost, and Cesaro got the surprise roll-up win while Rusev was distracted. Crowd popped big time for Lana. Cesaro then stole Rusev's flag and ran off to the back with it, with Rusev trundling after in pursuit. Not as good a match as I'd have hoped but okay.
People apparently had no idea Ambrose-Rollins match was last, as quite a few people began filing out, rushing back to their seats when Ambrose's music hit. Ambrose got maybe the biggest pop of the night. Seth attacked before the bell, and the match began. Pretty enjoyable 20-plus minutes, with the expected chair/kendo stick/table spots. WWE needs to buy better tables; Rollins pulled out two tables that had the leg fixtures falling off of them, even spending a good 10-15 seconds trying to get one to stay on. Crowd got a laugh out of that. Ambrose hit Shitty Deeds to go for the pin when Sheamus ran in to pull him off and act like he was cashing in. Ambrose knocked Sheamus out of the ring only to have Seth pedigree him for the win. Ambrose then attacked Sheamus before posing for a lot of selfies in the crowd as people left.
Eh. I think Hogan's better if you just want a catch phrase spewing machine just because it's like 'well that's what the goofy good guy does.' where as the badass drunken redneck constantly catch phrasing and not really going anywhere with his promos other than 'i am going to beat your ass and give me a hell yeah' where it all just sounded like a soundboard, it makes it more noticeable.
And stunning people all the time just became 'oh that quirky Stone Cold!' Nothing like the evil redneck that stuck pictures of Monsoon and Jim Ross's face to a taxidermy animal and shot it with a fucking shotgun or who got thrown out of the building when he tried to take it over.
98 to 99 Stone Cold is soft.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
It's a shame heel stone cold was mostly mired in the disgusting swamp known as the invasion angle
Still, he had his moments (apologies Freckle)
I'M BREAKING THE LIVING INSIDE YOU
STOP MAKING SOMEONE TO HIDE YOU
Still, he had his moments (apologies Freckle)
I'M BREAKING THE LIVING INSIDE YOU
STOP MAKING SOMEONE TO HIDE YOU
I can't disagree with his softness but he's still a captivating face. You really notice how...off the product feels when he takes that year off even if he was getting a bit rote.
slightconfuse
Banned
Anyone have that video of stone cold,beating the shit out of JR while Vince bacially masturbates on the ramp
Frecklestein
Banned
one of the rare instances where someone watches the fucking show. So many feuds and just general problems can just be fixed if you just watch the show you're on, assholes.
I would say Austin only ever had 2 really great feuds too. Directly with Vince(not counting all the aimless corporation 'in-feuds' talking about Austin directly feuding with Vince) and Bret. I know people like to say my way of the highway wickity wickity wickity, but I feel like the only truly great things about those feuds were 'hey here's our biggest guy and here's our second biggest guy and they're wrestling'
Like I can't remember a single promo between the two. Where as I can remember 'I'm about to take out fifteen years of frustration and being pissed off out on your ass'
Like I can't remember a single promo between the two. Where as I can remember 'I'm about to take out fifteen years of frustration and being pissed off out on your ass'
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Maybe it's just me, but with both real ass stone cold and then his turn at wm 17, Steve just seemed to have so much more, I don't know, FUN being a heel. Most of his time as a big face it just seemed like he showed up, did his segment, and left. But when he was a heel there was just so much fire in his promos, his facial expressions, everything.
Bonus stone cold beating up Tazz
Bonus stone cold beating up Tazz
Frecklestein
Banned
too bad it wasn't real ass Tazz
Welp, Vanessa Kraven was in the ring for about three seconds before chants of "Sit on my face" and "Trans-Vaness-tite". Thanks for ruining my night wrestling fans.
Not a straight promo per-se, but this was really good.
Interview with JR before WM17
Not a straight promo per-se, but this was really good.
Interview with JR before WM17
Frecklestein
Banned
Straight out of an Attitude Era crowd. Fuck'em
UrbanDandy
Member
Now that's how you tell a story.
slightconfuse
Banned
Every wrestler says they love being heel more than face. More freedom
It's easier to get people mad at you than it is for them to like you.
Unless you can blade to show you are the babyface it's hard to win a crowd over.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Thank you Gigi
Thank you Gigi
Thank you Gigi
Thank you Gigi
Thank you Gigi
slightconfuse
Banned
Also the Angle/Austin feud was great
I hope they make Michael Cole beatings a focal point of Austin vs Brock.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
Dolph Ziggler hasn't accomplished much, for all his bluster and bragging, but his MitB cash-in is, I think, the best. The crowd was hype, he was in GREAT shape at the time, he and del Rio managed to build drama and unpredictability into it, and AJ and Big E really sold the whole thing with their facial expressions and body language.
Incidentally, I think Big E has proven with New Day that he deserves a shot at being a top guy. His finisher sucks ass, but he's got so much charisma and finally figured out how to bring his goofy Instagram self to the screen without undercutting his credibility as an intimidating strong man. He could be a great complement to Reigns' more stoic, driven character, if they play their cards right.
Incidentally, I think Big E has proven with New Day that he deserves a shot at being a top guy. His finisher sucks ass, but he's got so much charisma and finally figured out how to bring his goofy Instagram self to the screen without undercutting his credibility as an intimidating strong man. He could be a great complement to Reigns' more stoic, driven character, if they play their cards right.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
welp, pack it in
slightconfuse
Banned
Remember when Big E and Rusev were having BJW style HOSS. Matches . Dudes would make an amazing tag team like sekimoto and Okabayashi
FallingEdge
Member
You watch Ishii vs Elgin? Big Hoss battle. I love it.
No one thinks this is actually happening in that form. It's gonna be a cage match that will include Atlantis, Sombra, Thunder, Ultimor Guerrero, Maximo, rey Bucanero and some other random people. It will boil down to Thunder vs Ultimo Guerrero. Trust me, CMLL actually likes building these out and 5 weeks is not enough time. They're not gonna AAA their big show
slightconfuse
Banned
Yep BIG MIKE bringing it this G1.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I think Bryan mentioned it in that Bryan/Vinny Triplemania review I posted. It's not even an exaggeration, nobody buys that the match is happening, and everyone expects it to delve into a clusterfuck of grade-A proportions.
Ninja Scooter
Member
did WWE tell Bo to get fat on purpose?
Frecklestein
Banned
nah, he jus jiggly
Ninja Scooter
Member
I don't know why I'm watching Great American Bash '99 but Curt Hennig just opened it up by shitting on the entire No Limit posse to their faces like it was nothing.
You just answered your own question
Ninja Scooter
Member
I was skipping through the event tags and one of them says "The match ends when Sting is attacked by dogs". WCW never die.
reptilescorpio
Member
That swerve ending made me so damn mad, I'm still a little pissy about it tbh. Ambrose deserved to get his vengeance!
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The rollins / Ambrose feud was baffling in the sense that the booking was tailor made for Ambrose to have his vengeance and then it just fizzled out.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
I think the idea was basically that Ambrose had beaten Rollins to a pulp by that point, so Bray fucking with the end didn't REALLY interfere with the vengeance aspect. Rollins was protected, and Dean had his next feud.
The problem, of course, is that WWE tries to have its cake and eat it, too, using wins and losses as a measure of how "protected" superstars are while simultaneously trying to keep them strong when they lose. Like Dean vs. Show recently, where Dean got his ass kicked but somehow was supposed to look "strong" because he walked away from the confrontation after Big Show speared himself through a barrier or some shit. WWE has reached some kind of fucked-up equilibrium where wins and losses are simultaneously VERY important, in the sense that it's only when someone wins a lot that you can give a shit about them, and extremely unimportant, in the sense that you know that almost any win is going to be counterbalanced with a loss later, which is incredible.
Edit: On an unrelated note, former Wrassle GAFfer strobogo has a 60-episode web series in which he just beats the shit out of Konnan on some WCW video game. I think we'll soon read of some Hoosier saving a young girl from an inner city prostitution ring, or something.
The problem, of course, is that WWE tries to have its cake and eat it, too, using wins and losses as a measure of how "protected" superstars are while simultaneously trying to keep them strong when they lose. Like Dean vs. Show recently, where Dean got his ass kicked but somehow was supposed to look "strong" because he walked away from the confrontation after Big Show speared himself through a barrier or some shit. WWE has reached some kind of fucked-up equilibrium where wins and losses are simultaneously VERY important, in the sense that it's only when someone wins a lot that you can give a shit about them, and extremely unimportant, in the sense that you know that almost any win is going to be counterbalanced with a loss later, which is incredible.
Edit: On an unrelated note, former Wrassle GAFfer strobogo has a 60-episode web series in which he just beats the shit out of Konnan on some WCW video game. I think we'll soon read of some Hoosier saving a young girl from an inner city prostitution ring, or something.
The entire year after Summer Slam is such garbage and none of it ever matters until Royal Rumble.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Ambrose was hot as fuck too. Putting aside any feelings about Ambrose as a performer, if he finally got his win the roof would've blown off the place. Y'know, the way they did in the last TWO false finishes.
Ironically, Ambrose winning would have been best for business.
Ironically, Ambrose winning would have been best for business.