Steph versus modern day Nikki would be the best hoss fight ever.
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Steph versus modern day Nikki would be the best hoss fight ever.
avengers23
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Sign Amazing Kong and MMAksana back, team them with Nikki Bella and Stephanie McMahon, and you have the real Four Horsewomen.
slightconfuse
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I'm a era where Orton is a 12 time champand edge is 8. Triple H has 14.
WWE titles are like the economy over inflated. Cena having 16 makes sense due to this
WWE titles are like the economy over inflated. Cena having 16 makes sense due to this
British Monsoon
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I don't think the actual number means anything - John's as important to WWE today as Bruno was to them in the past, that's all that really matters. Whether his impact's as lasting remains to be seen and I've always maintained that, when all's said and done, the list of stars he's elevated will pale in comparison to other all time greats, but yes: he deserves it.
Sweeney Tom
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I still can't believe there was a PPV where Orton won the belt to open the PPV, lost it to HHH in the opening match, and won it in a rematch with HHH in the main event
Don't forget that while the brand split added another title to the mix the belt is also defended at least four times as much as it was in the NWA days.
The amount of reigns is in proportion to the amount of TV and PPV output there is. Flair had 16 reigns in an era of maybe 2 hours of TV a week, and a PPV every other month (give or take a Clash or two).
Nowadays, there is 5 hours a week, plus a PPV each month - hence why there are (relatively) so many title changes.
Edit: beaten like a plumber...
Nowadays, there is 5 hours a week, plus a PPV each month - hence why there are (relatively) so many title changes.
Edit: beaten like a plumber...
I guess all we can say is "We'll see"
I'm just a bit sad the angle is so flaccid when it could have great off the start.
avengers23
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And if Trips gets one more (from Rollins) he will be tied with Cena
Cena posting on the internet about how the internet hates him has to be some next level dumb shit.
Anyway, Cena with that promo just cemented himself, again, as the biggest heel in the company. The "underdog" that never loses, that half the people hate him yet he doesn't care.
Cena might be the face of the company but he is the face of a company that's stagnant with record-low ratings and it's viewed by the majority of the people as a joke. Is it that good to be a face of that?
Cena isn't cool for anyone over the age of 10. He isn't a Flair, a Macho Man, a Rock or Stone Cold. He is a cartoon that most grown up people see as a joke.
So yeah, he is the face of wrestling and we are all worse for it.
Anyway, Cena with that promo just cemented himself, again, as the biggest heel in the company. The "underdog" that never loses, that half the people hate him yet he doesn't care.
Cena might be the face of the company but he is the face of a company that's stagnant with record-low ratings and it's viewed by the majority of the people as a joke. Is it that good to be a face of that?
Cena isn't cool for anyone over the age of 10. He isn't a Flair, a Macho Man, a Rock or Stone Cold. He is a cartoon that most grown up people see as a joke.
So yeah, he is the face of wrestling and we are all worse for it.
Sign Amazing Kong and MMAksana back, team them with Nikki Bella and Stephanie McMahon, and you have the real Four Horsewomen.
Get Bull Nakano as their Spokeswoman and we'd be in business. She can carry around a golf club to beat people with.
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TV ratings are no longer a valid measuring stick with so many people giving it up to watch on the internet or on youtube. I'm in my 30s and Cena's dope. Plenty of other people feel that way.
It's great. He's great.
One thing I can say about Tana...despite his Cena like ways, at least dude is aware of his top position and rolls with the punches. Everytime Cena opens his mouth, it's like the guy just don't get it. He don't want to acknowledge the fact that he really is a dynasty and tries to play underdog for the last fucking decade. Why keep putting your top tier status under the rug because of the Internet and just admit you are the modern day Bruno. I can't stand when he does the whole "underachiever' shit.
slightconfuse
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Sounds like I missed Cena using his one good promo of the year
Cena is the opposite of dope. His character that is.
He is a walking billboard and a superman type of character. He has no weaknesses and never loses. It's literally the opposite of a good character or an interesting one.
But yeah, you like Cena, ratings don't matter and WWE is doing great and is super popular with him at his helm.
British Monsoon
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I'm with you on that, entirely sick of Cena having the odds stacked against him - Cena is the odds stacked against other wrestlers and it should totally be presented that way.
Cena deserves it. One thing I always admire is how he can get every arena he is in involved in his promos. Whether the crowd hates him or is completely apathetic, by the time he's done everyone is into it. He said it best last night saying "half saying I suck half saying I don't, but non of them say a thing about you" has been true for years.
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You don't like Batista. Marinate on THAT!
And he ALWAYS has them eating out of his hand by the end. People get played like a fiddle. It's really fascinating to watch how he does it.
Other guy: "Vince, our ratings are down"
Vince: "THOSE AREN'T VALID NUMBERS ANYMORE WITH THIS NEW FANGLED INTERNET, DAMNIT"
*Later*
Other guy: "Vince, the Cena/Owens segment was the highest rated portion of the show"
Vince: "SEE! PEOPLE WANT MORE CENA, DAMNIT"
His promos are the text book definition of tone deaf. He doesn't understand why people don't like him and continues to do those awful underdog promos like they make any sense.
And then the heels sell them for some reason and I just can't take any segment with him seriously.
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If it pulled ratings is was due to a Owens x Dayum Drops crossover review video, pal.
I like Batista more than I like Cena that's for sure. At least Batista knew people wouldn't like him and turned heel.
He is also a Bond villain so there's that.
Batista was dope despite the hatred towards him. I remember when dudes use to hate his guts during his ruthless aggression days. Once Tista became heel it was glorious.
Hell even his 2014 run was amazing. We need more powerhouses in wrestling that do it for the checks rather than playing the "good guy" all of the time.
Hell even his 2014 run was amazing. We need more powerhouses in wrestling that do it for the checks rather than playing the "good guy" all of the time.
Character wise Cena is the most boring version of the "WWE Superman" character yet, and it's not even close. Hogan, Hart, Austin, and Rock were way less static as characters in comparison to Cena. It's hard to compare Cena's character to Bruno's character though considering how vastly different wrestling was then.
blackaroni
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Cena will save us from all of these low #RollinsEra ratings.
What if Cena wins and Sheamus cashes in MITB?
What if Cena wins and Sheamus cashes in MITB?
Exactly...it's like Cena just doesn't get it and plays the whole "some of yall like me while others don't" care...in reality dudes are tired of him. Don't get me wrong I love his US title reign, however his reign done more damage to up and comers than himself. I wish he would acknowledge his success and not play the average guy gimmick because the shit is played out.
ElectricBlanketFire
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The New York Times ‏@nytimes
Jon Stewart to enjoy retirement by hosting WWE's SummerSlam tournament
Ah man SummerSlam is a tournament now? :/
Jon Stewart to enjoy retirement by hosting WWE's SummerSlam tournament
Ah man SummerSlam is a tournament now? :/
Barring Sheamus fuckery in the title vs title (very likely) I forsee Cena winning, then disappointed Dad HHH will feud with entitled millennial child Seth Rollins.
Or in a dream world the same happens except Rollins wins the belts and feuds with HHH saying he's better than THE GAME
even if Stone Cold vs The Rock had a billion dollar match on smackdown, I wouldn't watch it
ITS A GAME OF DEATH
The show Tough Enough should have been is finally real!
https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/633444872792502272
https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/633444872792502272
Intheflorsh
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Exactly what part of the US open challenge is "underdog"? The whole thing is very clearly set up to make Cena look like the top guy and his opponents the underdogs. Hell, even in this new feud Cena is very obviously set up to look like he's going to decimate Rollins.
The last time this criticism was applicable was during the Rusev feud, and it looks like the book is closed on that one.
Maybe Cena himself, but as far as those 15 title reigns go, how many of them do you remember a single thing about?
Now you could say "how many of Flair's title reigns do you remember stuff about" but then again Flair's real number is somewhere over 20, across a lot of promotions.
Professor Beef
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Batista is a shining star. His "retirement" was probably the best retirement of all time, stayed true to the character. Amazing.
Boring or simple and clean? They intersect so much - you could say the Zayn/Owens feud was boring, and simple. But it wasn't. I dunno. Maybe Ithil has some thoughts later...
On the road to 17 time champion...
They're telegraphing Rollins/Trips for Mania, though. Expect some fallout anf a face turn for Rollins around when Ambrose turns on Reigns (possibly at Summerslam, definitely by Survivor Series)
Not a lot. You win! It's true though. Not a lot.
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I remember the Legend Killer run, but not entirely sure he got a title from that. It was a dark period for me with wrestling and I didn't pay attention to much.
His reign with the Triple H Home Invasion angle though? That was good as FUCK. Not just the angle, but I was happy to see Orton CONTINUE to escape with the title.
his first reign was cool, with evolution and everything
after that it was cena-orton-cena-orton-cena-orton-edge-cena-orton
That's the only reign of his I remember, and it was like 3 weeks long. I only remember because of who he won it from.
Granted I didn't watch from 2005-2010.
No, Cena's character is boring. A character that doesn't change at all for as long as he has, and seemingly ignores any events that do happen to him, is a boring character. The Rock was a "simple and clean" character. His character in his prime was an egocentric competitor who would do whatever it took to win whether he was loved or hated for it. Mr McMahon was a simple and clean character. John Cena is a boring character.
Long title reign need important feuds. A blood rival, if necessary. For instance, CM Punk had that super long reign, but what happened during it? None of his feuds were anything memorable. Unless you want to say getting pushed through a table by a Diva counts. They need to go back and forth with the strap. Not no Triple H-Orton-Cena type of shit they did on Raw years back, but it needs to move. It creates a buzz, especially if the story dictates it.
Things like this also generates more title matches on TV and increases the probability of the title itself changing hands. Likewise, a title changing hands every so often negates the 3-4 month feud non stop BS we've seen the past several years. It creates boring, overly long 'feuds'.
Things like this also generates more title matches on TV and increases the probability of the title itself changing hands. Likewise, a title changing hands every so often negates the 3-4 month feud non stop BS we've seen the past several years. It creates boring, overly long 'feuds'.
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Ugh, that just reminded me of the GOD AWFUL AJ Lee "suicide" jump. That was some of the worst fucking stupid shit shit shit shit shit trash shit