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[Angry Grimace]

It's not shifting goalposts. He used the example of NXT being good and Raw being bad. I'm just asking if he's considered that not everyone shares that opinion with him.

That's exactly what shifting the goal posts is because its completely irrelevant to the actual conversation and just rephrases the entire conversation in a way that people are forced to agree with you

I want Rusev out of that angle

like put him anywhere else really, just out of that angle

I don't know which angle I want over more, Ziggler/Rusev or Wyatt/Shield (Orton/Sheamus is worse, sure). In a perfect world Ambrose and Rusev would be doing something more interesting and Reigns would go full Dothraki Warlord and turn heel.

 

[NoRéN]

Cesaro will be that one to beat the Beast.

Wrestlemania Main Event
Swiss Superman vs. God-King Doomsday (w/ Braniac Heyman in his corner)

 

[YesManKablam]

Never forget friends...

How I could I forget about the truest baby face on the roster?

 

[jmdajr]

but cable subscriptions are also going down pretty fast, so i'm technically right? CHECKMATE

Maybe but still not at it's lowest. As a percentage it's still not there.

You want a cookie when it's get's there?

 

[slightconfuse]

Rusev needs to shoot on Dog Ziggler. Have him best Seth for the title. In ready for the #Rusev Era

 

[imBask]

This is the first year there has ever been a decline in cable history, and it was only by .5%. So not really. The cord cutter narrative is pretty over hyped.

really? damn. Why do people pay for cable, it's such terrible value... well at least it is in Canada, how are the prices in the US? over here BASIC cable starts at $50 CAD which is down right ridiculous IMO

Maybe but still not at it's lowest. As a percentage it's still not there.

You want a cookie when it's get's there?

a cookie and a statue please

 

[Bronx-Man]

Fuck Rusev, try being a Bray Wyatt fan after 2013. That boy's career never stood a chance against Big Match John.

 

[Sephzilla]

Fuck Rusev, try being a Bray Wyatt fan after 2013. That boy's career never stood a chance against Big Match John.

Who's career stalled the most since getting the death touch from Cena?

1) Bray Wyatt
2) Alberto Del Rio
3) Damien Sandow

Spoiler

4) *Spot reserved for Seth Rollins*

 

[avengers23]

LOL @ the idea that there are Bray Wyatt fans. You might as well root for Los Matadores at that point.

Bray Wyatt fans probably also watch Duck Dynasty religiously but spend no money on concessions or merchandise.

 

[blackaroni]

Fuck Rusev, try being a Bray Wyatt fan after 2013. That boy's career never stood a chance against Big Match John.

 

[YesManKablam]

Who's career stalled the most since getting the death touch from Cena?

1) Bray Wyatt
2) Alberto Del Rio
3) Damien Sandow

Spoiler

4) *Spot reserved for Seth Rollins*

Did Sandow have a career beforehand?

 

[jmdajr]

Who's career stalled the most since getting the death touch from Cena?

1) Bray Wyatt
2) Alberto Del Rio
3) Damien Sandow

Spoiler

4) *Spot reserved for Seth Rollins*

I'm afraid I've got some bad news....

 

[Bronx-Man]

LOL @ the idea that there are Bray Wyatt fans. You might as well root for Los Matadores at that point.

Bray Wyatt fans probably also watch Duck Dynasty religiously but spend no money on concessions or merchandise.

I watch Bigfoot Hunters, available exclusively on Destination America, thank you very much.

 

[imBask]

Who's career stalled the most since getting the death touch from Cena?

1) Bray Wyatt
2) Alberto Del Rio
3) Damien Sandow

Spoiler

4) *Spot reserved for Seth Rollins*

Remember The Nexus

 

[slightconfuse]

WWE ratings are trending down.smackdown is dire.

Raw for the month of June averaged a 2.67 rating and 3.77 million viewers. That’s down 8.2 percent in ratings and 9.2 percent in total audience from the 2014 June average of a 2.91 rating and 4.15 million viewers. The 2013 number was 2.91 rating and 3.95 million viewers and the 2012 numbers were a 3.21 rating and 4.66 million viewers.

Smackdown for the month of June averaged a 1.77 rating and 2.48 million viewers. That’s down 5.9 percent in ratings and 8.5 percent in viewers from the 1.88 rating and 2.71 million viewers from last year. However, the June 2013 numbers were a 1.78 average rating and 2.38 million viewers and 2012 was a 1.82 rating and 2.61 million viewers. This year’s show aired on Thursday, a significantly better night to draw than the Friday of the previous years

 

[Data West]

Bray and Rusev have done a much better job of surviving Cena feuds than say Wade or Sandow or Miz or anyone else

 

[Jimmy King]

I'm glad to see Yeezus back in the thread, just in time for us to laugh about Bray Wyatt taking another clean pin, but this time in a tag match. HA

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Bray and Rusev have done a much better job of surviving Cena feuds than say Wade or Sandow or Miz or anyone else

I don't think I've ever seen Bray win a match.

 

[brisk tacos]

really? damn. Why do people pay for cable, it's such terrible value... well at least it is in Canada, how are the prices in the US? over here BASIC cable starts at $50 CAD which is down right ridiculous IMO



a cookie and a statue please

It's worth it if you like watching TV and sports. 200 channels including NFL Network, internet, and phone is under $200 most places. Basic cable for Comcast is around $20 I think. That might be just the local channels, actually. Not sure.

 

[avengers23]

The dick kickings will continue until ratings improve.

 

[Fox318]

There is no reason for smackdown to exsist aside from talent trying different things free of some constraints and a workrate proving ground.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

Who's career stalled the most since getting the death touch from Cena?

1) Bray Wyatt
2) Alberto Del Rio
3) Damien Sandow

Spoiler

4) *Spot reserved for Seth Rollins*

I'd throw Owens in here too.

 

[Angry Grimace]

WWE ratings are trending down.smackdown is dire.

Maybe someone would watch it if there was any point to Smackdown existing as something other than 1 1/2 hours of Raw highlights and 6 man face vs. heel tag matches

 

[RP912]

Fuck Rusev, try being a Bray Wyatt fan after 2013. That boy's career never stood a chance against Big Match John.

I'm still a Wyatt fan. Shit feels like high school all over again when you try to tell wrestling fans that Bray Wyatt is one of the best currently. You get ridiculed, especially when you say that he can cut a good promo.

 

[Data West]

I don't think I've ever seen Bray win a match.

Ask Dean Ambrose

 

[Cagey]

I'd throw Owens in here too.

Stalled? What was Kevin Owens supposed to do? Win the US title and have the same exact feud with Cesaro? He's been around since June 2015. Give him time to have a career.

Kevin Owens was never becoming a heavyweight champion challenger to Brock Lesnar at WM32 despite some beating off to the idea here.

 

[jmdajr]

Maybe someone would watch it if there was any point to Smackdown existing as something other than 1 1/2 hours of Raw highlights and 6 man face vs. heel tag matches

Side quests

 

[avengers23]

I don't think I've ever seen Bray win a match.

He beat Reigns at Battleground, Ambrose on a random SmackDown, Ambrose on a May Raw, and Ryback at Payback.

I'm still a Wyatt fan. Shit feels like high school all over again when you try to tell wrestling fans that Bray Wyatt is one of the best currently. You get ridiculed, especially when you say that he can cut a good promo.

The bloom is off that rose too. His promos go nowhere and accomplish nothing; they're channel changers for me at this point.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I don't think I've ever seen Bray win a match.

It's extremely elusive, much like the odds of Roman Reigns ever getting over.

 

[Frecklestein]

People still Wyatt fans in 2015

 

[Jimmy King]

I'm still a Wyatt fan. Shit feels like high school all over again when you try to tell wrestling fans that Bray Wyatt is one of the best currently. You get ridiculed, especially when you say that he can cut a good promo.

I'm sorry, friend, but he's consistently terrible. Especially with promos.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Who's career stalled the most since getting the death touch from Cena?

1) Bray Wyatt
2) Alberto Del Rio
3) Damien Sandow

Spoiler

4) *Spot reserved for Seth Rollins*

I'd argue none of them have had issues directly related to Cena at all.

Wyatt remained an interesting character, albeit a little tired to a lot of people -but he still moves his shirts and merch, and still garners attention.

Del Rio died thanks to Sheamus

Sandow ain't shit, never was shit.

 

[jmdajr]

Stalled? What was Kevin Owens supposed to do? Win the US title and have the same exact feud with Cesaro? He's been around since June 2015. Give him time to have a career.

Kevin Owens was never becoming a heavyweight champion challenger to Brock Lesnar at WM32 despite some beating off to the idea here.

Cesaro though!

 

[Bronx-Man]

I'm still a Wyatt fan. Shit feels like high school all over again when you try to tell wrestling fans that Bray Wyatt is one of the best currently. You get ridiculed, especially when you say that he can cut a good promo.

We shall carry this burden together, brother.

 

[Data West]

Whose career that isn't in the 'co-main events' of last night in the WWE ISN'T stalled? Even Roman Reigns just feels like he's sitting in the same empty lobby room with all the other mid-card guys getting his randomized feud every month.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I'm still a Wyatt fan. Shit feels like high school all over again when you try to tell wrestling fans that Bray Wyatt is one of the best currently. You get ridiculed, especially when you say that he can cut a good promo.

I still maintain the reason Bray seemed like he was good was that he never wrestled anyone. He just sat around being a sinister troll. Now he just randomly is involved in matches on Raw (and loses)

 

[klonere]

Whatever about the Taker/Brock ending.

Paul Heyman is going to sell the everloving shit out of it on Raw. It will be a promo to end all promos.

 

[blackaroni]

I'm glad to see Yeezus back in the thread, just in time for us to laugh about Bray Wyatt taking another clean pin, but this time in a tag match. HA

Stalled? What was Kevin Owens supposed to do? Win the US title and have the same exact feud with Cesaro? He's been around since June 2015. Give him time to have a career.

Kevin Owens was never becoming a heavyweight champion challenger to Brock Lesnar at WM32 despite some beating off to the idea here.

Agreed. Everyone's so impatient these days. Give it time.

People still Wyatt fans in 2015

I love this

 

[MC Safety]

Bray and Rusev have done a much better job of surviving Cena feuds than say Wade or Sandow or Miz or anyone else

Please explain how John Cena ruined these men's careers.

 

[avengers23]

Whatever about the Taker/Brock ending.

Paul Heyman is going to sell the everloving shit out of it on Raw. It will be a promo to end all promos.

He's going to have to since 'Taker's not there.

Maybe Kane makes his return tonight only for Brock to send him packing again.

 

[Sephzilla]

Did Sandow have a career beforehand?

He had the MITB contract, as well as a good gimmick. After he couldn't beat a one armed Cena he was cosplaying Magneto.

I'm afraid I've got some bad news....

Remember The Nexus

Good point

I'd throw Owens in here too.

Owens was part of the double-main event of the best show of the weekend and also beat Cesaro. I wouldn't throw in there yet.

 

[Liquidsnake]

NXT is watchable and mostly good
RAW isn't

my logic ends there

why are you looking deeper into it?

Yeah I have felt like this for so long now. NXT is really good. I actually don't like when my favs get called up.

 

[imBask]

Please explain how John Cena ruined these men's careers.

He didnt but the booking around him did

GAF is semantics today holy crap

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Please explain how John Cena ruined these men's careers.

He hasn't, that's the bottom line. Cena's tried to elevate people, but much like any vehicle, if all the parts aren't working together, it won't go. Your engine can only be so powerful, but if you're missing a tire, you won't move.

 

[Sephzilla]

Please explain how John Cena ruined these men's careers.

It's not directly Cena's fault. But creative/Vince basically forget about someone once they're done being Cena food.

 

[Angry Grimace]

RAW always seems shitty because you can't fill 3 hours of time with nothing but good stuff. If you just watch the condensed version on Hulu its actually way better.

Smackdown is obviously worse because nothing ever happens on it (because nobody watches it) so its always 0 hours of anything good happening.

 

[Liquidsnake]

I have a better question:

Who career was elevated by John Cena?

It's not directly Cena's fault. But creative/Vince basically forget about someone once they're done being Cena food.

Actually yes this is probably it. ^^^^

 

[Sephzilla]

I have a better question:

Who career was elevated by John Cena?

Serious answer

The Punk vs Cena feud helped Punk out a fucking ton.

 

[Frecklestein]

I have a better question:

Who career was elevated by John Cena?

Daniel Bryan
CM Punk
Edge
Randy Orton
Zack Ryder fits into both

 

[Ilive1up]

going to RAW tonight.

should be interesting how they handle the brock/taker situation.