British Monsoon
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Fucking hell, Sabu;
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August Wrasslin |OT| The Sunday of Summer
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
As for the Cena thing, that one is easy - Cena doesn't kill anyone, its just that everyone mistakes a Cena feud as being pushed to the moon because Cena is always going to be a big deal for WWE. The reality is they put guys like Owens into those feuds to get them exposure, not because Owens was going to be rocketed to the WWE title.
If Owens came up and immediately feuded with Cesaro on curtain jerkers, people would instead be complaining that they failed to sell them to the audience.
If Owens came up and immediately feuded with Cesaro on curtain jerkers, people would instead be complaining that they failed to sell them to the audience.
Bryan was helped by HHH
I don't know if I'd say Cena elevated Edge, I almost think it was the other way around.
Orton was elevated by others before Cena.
Ryder was never helped by Cena at all.
This makes a lot more sense than this ...
Anyway, all the guys mentioned are doing just fine. Except for Sandow, they all had matches at SummerSlam, one of the biggest pay-per-views of the year.
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Deleted member 47027
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Fuckin Sabu...
Barrett isn't exactly in good shape... Alicia Fox and whatsisface from that one show were also in a match at SummerSlam you know
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Deleted member 47027
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Yeah. I'll still stand by Sandow ain't shit.
Frecklestein
Banned
It was this exact moment that Bryan was cemented as an official star
Edge and Cena went both ways. Their feud helped make Cena into a top guy and Edge into a top heel.
Orton was still a rookie young gun character who was in Haitch's shadow till he broke off from HHH and Tister and became a top guy through feuds with Cena
Ryder was elevated enough to have his character and story during his time on television and PPVs to be in the main event scene as shit as it was.
But Ryder fits into a CENA BUDDY category where he wasn't shit after losing to Cena, he's one of the many who went to shit after being a Cena Buddy
31GhostsIV
Banned
Me neither, apart from that one time he beat Bryan at the Royal Rumble, so when Bryan went on to win the Rumble and the resulting mania title match Bray would be a natural threat and their match would have a decent build and heat and the WWE would have a new top heel. I mean, that pretty much writes itself, right?
So I guess Cena skyrocketing Punk, Bryan, Owens, and recently Cesaro into the main event is meaningless too?
Lets be honest - for being "the guy"; he's easily jobbed the most of anyone that level. Anyone think Hogan would job to Owens in Owens first match? Anyone think Bret would let someone like Lesnar beat his character to a bloody pulp with little to no offense in return ala Summerslam 2014?
I get Cena's character is stale and corny and not really aimed at us - but LOLCENAWINS hasn't been true in several years now; and he's taken multiple clean losses to skyrocket folks like Bryan and Owens and Punk in recent years. That's not something that happens historically much if at all from top guys.
Lets be honest - for being "the guy"; he's easily jobbed the most of anyone that level. Anyone think Hogan would job to Owens in Owens first match? Anyone think Bret would let someone like Lesnar beat his character to a bloody pulp with little to no offense in return ala Summerslam 2014?
I get Cena's character is stale and corny and not really aimed at us - but LOLCENAWINS hasn't been true in several years now; and he's taken multiple clean losses to skyrocket folks like Bryan and Owens and Punk in recent years. That's not something that happens historically much if at all from top guys.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Owens running away all the time still makes no fucking sense.
It was this exact moment that Bryan was cemented as an official star
Edge and Cena went both ways. Their feud helped make Cena into a top guy and Edge into a top heel.
Orton was still a rookie young gun character who was in Haitch's shadow till he broke off from HHH and Tister and became a top guy through feuds with Cena
Ryder was elevated enough to have his character and story during his time on television and PPVs to be in the main event scene as shit as it was.
But Ryder fits into a CENA BUDDY category where he wasn't shit after losing to Cena, he's one of the many who went to shit after being a Cena Buddy
What happened shortly after that is what (retroactively) gave birth to the entire WM30 storyline though and led to Bryan's best match in WWE.
avengers23
Banned
Fave five entrance themes right now:
1. Sasha Banks
2. Evil Emma
3. Timothy Thatcher
4. Brock Lesnar
5. Finn Balor
1. Sasha Banks
2. Evil Emma
3. Timothy Thatcher
4. Brock Lesnar
5. Finn Balor
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Serious question: how much creative control does Cena even have
Jimmy King
Member
Ah, yes. Bryan beating Cena clean, his epic feud with Triple H... Fun times. I thought it was the start of something, not the end.
The idea of John Cena ruining Zack Ryder's career is fucking hilarious though. It's not like he was some mid-carder on the cusp of main eventing. He was a dude in ECW that was just below Santino level comedy act that thought he could be a seriously wrestle. Zack Ryder would have never even gotten the chances to be 'buried' if it wasn't for Cena acknowledging Zack Ryder's show. WWE would have ignored the show and the fans on that one until the fans got bored(like they always do and like they did, which had nothing to do with Cena) and Ryder would still be in the same shitty position he was always in.
It's Taya's entrance now so it still counts
That shit is big match feel music. I love the intro.
It's Taya's entrance now so it still counts
That shit is big match feel music. I love the intro.
avengers23
Banned
Probably enough to where he do his own promos without being scripted.
Thats probably about it.
The Elite
BOSS
I think they will do what they need to keep him happy.
I don't think keeping him happy requires as much as some people may think.
the beginning of an era free of B+ vanilla midgets
Jimmy King
Member
Bray sucks but you're probably right. I think it's ridiculous he got a match with Taker at Mania this past year, so I'm sure he'll main event against Sting or some shit.
Frecklestein
Banned
brisk tacos
Banned
It does make sense. He's a bully, and when bullies get their shit pushed in, they retreat on their own so they can claim they didn't lose the fight. Also has the benefit of meaning he doesn't get pinned.
Because the crowd will try to turn him face if he just runs around kicking people's asses all the time. Hell, Lesnar did that and he managed to turn face even after ending Taker's streak. The reason you don't have super strong heels as much any more is because WWE fans will start cheering them regardless of what else they do if they keep winning (see: Mark Henry, Hall of Pain, or 2014 Lesnar)
A lot of times people complain about how a heel is being booked is because they want to ironically cheer the character into being a face.
avengers23
Banned
I'm ranking solely as pieces of music, and I love the song.
Bray/Sting for his retirement match would be glorious. The segments, the video package, and promos.
In reality, Taker/Sting seems like it's going to happen unless they stretch out the feud with Bork into WM 32.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Oh Im sorry that I have followed since 1985, and that I don't like whats going on now. That I recognize when someone revolutionized the business, and was the most important champion in its history. Ric Fliar was the most heavily relied upon and important champion ever.
But PG WWE isn't willing to do anything edgy anymore to make people actually hate the bad guys. If you aren't willing to make your villains actually despicable people, you're always going to get people who cheer for the heels.
oooooooh okay, makes more sense
avengers23
Banned
Approved!
Yes to all of them.
After hearing Samoa Joe's current theme in person, I'll take it!
Jimmy King
Member
Did Bronson ever check back in about his Twitter/phone? I hope he's doing OK.
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Deleted member 47027
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Some of you who actually like Joey Samoey's theme, it's ok to drop the jokes. It's shit, it's hilarious shit.
Mania 30 is a fun watch. If you like roundtables, Legends of Wrestling Roundtables are dope as fuck. Some of the earlier big NXT events are great.
Mania 30 is a fun watch. If you like roundtables, Legends of Wrestling Roundtables are dope as fuck. Some of the earlier big NXT events are great.
Wait do you mean the old one or the new one. The new one is perfectly fine?
What happened shortly after that is what (retroactively) gave birth to the entire WM30 storyline though and led to Bryan's best match in WWE.
For sure one of the greatest cash in's History.
WCW World War 3 1997
All of the NXT take overs, Starrcade 85, Summerslam 95 (for lol material), ECW Barely Legal, and WM 30.
Jimmy King
Member
Check out Swerved. It gives you an unprecedented backstage look behind the scenes at WWE, but also a deeper insight into how these Superstars and Divas conduct themselves as they make their way from show to show.
Sheamus is the most effective heel in getting the appropriate reaction from the crowd.
Think about that, my fellah is the best heel.
In the company.
Seth who?
I like the former and current one. First one has a good groove. New one pumps you up. I need it as my alarm.
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Deleted member 47027
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The old one was HILARIOUS, this one's just bad
Frecklestein
Banned
I love Joe's theme. I get some Inspector Gadget vibes from it for some reason
Liquidsnake
Banned
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Deleted member 47027
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this is one reason why I laugh at Joey's theme