In a world where Rollins breaks out the Phoenix Splash and Kevin Owens breaks out all manner of insanity - how would he be any different than any of the "loved" current main event heels?
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August Wrasslin |OT| The Sunday of Summer
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In a world where Rollins breaks out the Phoenix Splash and Kevin Owens breaks out all manner of insanity - how would he be any different than any of the "loved" current main event heels?
Frecklestein
Banned
AYYYYYYYY
pantsattack
Member
I'm on board for his infatuation dance forEva Marie
Karl Anderson distracted for life from Maria is so funny. I burst out laughing every time I see that jif.
She needs to be able to transpose the emotion in the Balor piece into the show itself. Sadly I very much doubt she'll ever get any material close to the stuff on Finn.
Meltz thinks she could be the biggest star of the 4!
pantsattack
Member
WE WANT SOME
avengers23
Banned
Hey, they have people talking about John Stewart and The Undertaker today. People are curious about Raw. I'd say the show did its job.
Bryan Alverez and Meltzer complained that the crowd lighting was bad because lighting focused on the ring.
We I can spoil the pre-show and say that the matches before the special they had the lights on but when the special started they only lit the ring and I honestly think it made a difference to the atmosphere. People were less likely to chant stupid shit and it gave it a big fight feel.
We I can spoil the pre-show and say that the matches before the special they had the lights on but when the special started they only lit the ring and I honestly think it made a difference to the atmosphere. People were less likely to chant stupid shit and it gave it a big fight feel.
brisk tacos
Banned
I guess I find it hard to believe that a woman, who is a real life executive and majority owner of a publicly traded company, talking about going out to talk up the women has been revolutionary and changing the game could possibly be taken as a bad thing. There is no one better in the company to do such a thing.
slightconfuse
Banned
Roman and Dean as Nu APA could be very FnP
FlammableD
Banned
Out of the ring, great, wonderful.
In the ring as "her idea"? Takes the focus off where it should be, the women wrestlers, and on to her.
They'll cheer Ambrose unless you put him against, say, Cesaro or Owens or Ryback or Bryan or someone they like more.
avengers23
Banned
brisk tacos
Banned
But her on screen character, while a heel, still has the bottom line of what's best for business. And what's best for business is treating the women with respect and showing that they can wrestle and just aren't pretty faces. How is that not inline with her character, on screen and off? No one seemed to have much issue when HHH was the one talking up the women, or when Steph was there to announce the NXT Women's Championship.
Saying, "hey look, these women are awesome, isn't this so awesome" is putting the spotlight on the women that they didn't have before.
Her on-screen character isn't actually about what's best for business.
She spends most of her on-screen time emasculating everyone.
Also, when she was there to announce the women's championship, that was in summer 2013, before she and HHH turned heel.
Ambrose can run as a heel just like Rollins, Owens, Cesaro, Punk, and other internet darlings have had extended heel runs. Wrestling fans legit turn on guys at the drop of a hat anyway, it's not that hard.
brisk tacos
Banned
Yes, it is. Hence all those long periods of when people would complain that she was doing face stuff or booking Rollins in matches that didn't protect him. Ultimately, The Authority, especially post WM31, have shown they'll screw around with their own stable if they think it will help business.
Has she emasculated any of the NXT Divas? I don't watch Raw every week, but I don't remember any uproar over he telling Sasha to sit down and shut up or anything.
You realize the entire "best for business" angle started when they were trying to suppress the most over face at the time and the "best for business" slogan was a catch phrase for heel heat because everything they were doing was in fact bad for business?
You mean the Authority has been inconsistently written with poorly defined motives?
Frecklestein
Banned
Fox!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Never thought I'd see the day where people legitimately chanted for New Day
brisk tacos
Banned
Yes. That's why I made a point about how after WM31 in particular they've actually done the best for business stuff without the wink wink irony. And really, for most of 2014 after Bryan got hurt as well.
Frecklestein
Banned
For real. I was even in the group that was depressed at their debut. They even lost their first match. And debuted on fuckin' Smackdown. DEATH.
But New Day is living proof that it's the person that makes the gimmick. Take what you get and own that shit. It doesn't matter how shit your gimmick is, if you're good, the crowd will take to you.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but this is what Russo says when someone asks him about putting the strap on David Arquette.
http://www.thesportster.com/wrestling/top-15-revelations-from-the-attitude-era-book/9/
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/wwe-aj-lee-stephanie-mcmahon-give-divas-a-chance
Steph has a history of being in creative and obviously with her father as the CEO. To say that she deserves credit for this womens revolution when guys like John Laurinaitis were running talent relations is a joke.
The people who deserve credit are:
Triple H for hiring the coaches and building the facility to give these women a platform
Regal for scouting them
The NXT coaches most notably Dusty and Sarah Del Rey
and most importantly the women themselves for not falling in line for what a Diva was supposed to be.
Uno Venova
Banned
Now that I have a network subscription, is there anything I can watch with New Day's best work, I couldn't believe how entertaining they were last night.
brisk tacos
Banned
Perhaps more aptly, like having Hogan sell for Jay Leno.
The match they had at this year's Extreme Rules was fantastic.
Frecklestein
Banned
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http://www.thesportster.com/wrestling/top-15-revelations-from-the-attitude-era-book/9/
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/wwe-aj-lee-stephanie-mcmahon-give-divas-a-chance
Steph has a history of being in creative and obviously with her father as the CEO. To say that she deserves credit for this womens revolution when guys like John Laurinaitis were running talent relations is a joke.
The people who deserve credit are:
Triple H for hiring the coaches and building the facility to give these women a platform
Regal for scouting them
The NXT coaches most notably Dusty and Sarah Del Rey
and most importantly the women themselves for not falling in line for what a Diva was supposed to be.
Honestly watch the Royal Rumble pre-show just to see how far they have come. Philly crowd fucking HAAAAAATTTTTTTEEEEDDD them.
Anything they did with Cesaro and Kidd (Extreme Rules '15, Payback)
The rest of the promo work you could probably see on youtube instead of the network.
brisk tacos
Banned
http://www.thesportster.com/wrestling/top-15-revelations-from-the-attitude-era-book/9/
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/wwe-aj-lee-stephanie-mcmahon-give-divas-a-chance
Steph has a history of being in creative and obviously with her father as the CEO. To say that she deserves credit for this womens revolution when guys like John Laurinaitis were running talent relations is a joke.
The people who deserve credit are:
Triple H for hiring the coaches and building the facility to give these women a platform
Regal for scouting them
The NXT coaches most notably Dusty and Sarah Del Rey
and most importantly the women themselves for not falling in line for what a Diva was supposed to be.
Nowhere have I said she deserves credit for any of the women stuff. I said I see no way that her talking the divas revolution up can be seen as a bad thing. It's bizarre that people are mad at Stephanie the real person for stuff Stephanie the character is saying. And she's not even taking credit for the women. She puts them over constantly as pioneers and incredible wrestlers.
Jimmy King
Member
"Fuck you, Philly"
IIRC her TV character has taken credit for calling them up
Uno Venova
Banned
Thanks guys. I remember how disappointed I was when they weren't the Nation 2.0 but they are amazing right now.
avengers23
Banned
Watch out, Sami Zayn.
Here comes a big boot.
And a suplex.
Maybe Del Rey will come back for one more match one day.
Here comes a big boot.
And a suplex.
Maybe Del Rey will come back for one more match one day.
brisk tacos
Banned
Yeah...who else would call them up on TV besides her and HHH? They're the bosses. Of course they'd be the ones who would call up NXT talent. Wrestlers just don't show up. The authority figures (literally The Authority) are responsible for such things on the TV show. I fail to see how that is taking credit for anything they're doing. HHH takes credit for signing Brock Lesnar on screen.
"Wrestlers don't just show up"?
brisk tacos
Banned
Within the confines of the show, of course not. They're athletes signed to contracts. NBA and NFL wouldn't just let a random player on their field of play, either.
Well I don't know what wrestling you've been watching all your life.
slightconfuse
Banned
Sabu is giving Inafune a run for,his money for Carny of the year. Holy crap
https://m.facebook.com/PatBuckWrestling/posts/877980732250990:0
https://m.facebook.com/PatBuckWrestling/posts/877980732250990:0
I might also recomend the Y2J podcast with them on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFAE1m7kz4
http://www.podcastone.com/Talk-Is-Jericho
The guys talk how they didn't want to be just another group of angry black guys and that they really really wanted younger kids to look at them and think "see I could do that if I wanted to" that they wouldn't be held back because they weren't white.
They told Vince that they didn't want to be typecasted as some sort of black stable then Vince comes up to them and says they should be a bunch of preachers.
They've managed to do what Austin has always said you have to do to make it : turn chicken shit into chicken salad.
Now they are only truly over tag team on the main roster.
BronsonLee
Member
"Fuck you, Philly"
BIG E YOU FUCKER
FlammableD
Banned
jesus fuck
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
...that's exactly how every wrestler shows up though.
I'm not saying it wasn't part of a gimmick to explain why a bunch of random new wrestlers show up at once, but wrestlers just "show up" all the time.