I think he's actually a part of the production team and head of the ring crew.
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I think he's actually a part of the production team and head of the ring crew.
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¡HarlequinPanic!
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wah why didn't this guy spend a few months fighting bull dempsey and ty dillenger.
who cares he shook roman reigns around like he were marlena it was really cool 8)
who cares he shook roman reigns around like he were marlena it was really cool 8)
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That's from Operation Sports.
There is some debate as to whether it actually covers WCW/ECW. That may have only been for the video package.
DM to buy 20 copies if Savio Vega is in the game.
funkystudent
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I get why they played in safe since it was the biggest NXT show ever and we are still early days with fixing the WWEs issues with women but now? I would be shocked if a Womens Title match didnt close the next NXT Takeover special and the failings of the divas revolution are putting a fire under the crew at NXT to make a bigger, longer lasting statement with their handling of their Women's Division.
I guess it will depend on how the fill the gap now that 3 of their staples have moved on. How well the new people take to it.
The "Divas Revolution (brought to you by Stephanie McMahon)" is a bust, but that's the most personality Becky's shown since she got to WWE.
HeisenbergLannister
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Some of the problem is, nXt crowds and WWE crowds are different. Vince apparently thinks they are one big joint crowd, but I highly doubt the Cena kids/parents and douchebag frat guys watch nXt.
Therefore, all of them are like "who are these new girls? why should we care?" I remember how I was when Paige debuted and I hadn't watched any nXt at that time. I had heard about her, but for about the first six months, she was incredibly boring and they gave her no character, so it was always like "oh, it's Paige, cool'.
They need to drop the whole groups, as it's really hurting Charlotte, Sasha, and Becky from getting over as individuals. As soon last night during the match and when Charlotte was getting worked on for the majority of the match, a spot that should be garnering sympathy for the crowd, instead it fell flat because the crowd has no emotional attachment to Charlotte because she's just there. They should have had Paige getting worked over since the crowd at least has a connection to her, and made the hot tag to Charlotte or Becky to let them show their stuff.
The nXt crowd has also been conditioned over the last year or two to respect the women and not just google them like pieces of meat like the WWE has the last 20 years, save for a few moments (Trish's run when she started wrestling). The atmosphere at the beginning of Sasha/Bayley might have been up there with the biggest matches of the WWE this year, as the crowd was electric. By the end, I'm not sure how many matches in the last ten years have had a crowd in the palm of their hand like that.
I don't think Vince has any patience to slowly re-condition his crowd, and eventually he's going to say "I TOLD YOU THIS WOULDN'T WORK!" I mean, the crowd pops more for Summer/Lana catfighting more than anything else.
Therefore, all of them are like "who are these new girls? why should we care?" I remember how I was when Paige debuted and I hadn't watched any nXt at that time. I had heard about her, but for about the first six months, she was incredibly boring and they gave her no character, so it was always like "oh, it's Paige, cool'.
They need to drop the whole groups, as it's really hurting Charlotte, Sasha, and Becky from getting over as individuals. As soon last night during the match and when Charlotte was getting worked on for the majority of the match, a spot that should be garnering sympathy for the crowd, instead it fell flat because the crowd has no emotional attachment to Charlotte because she's just there. They should have had Paige getting worked over since the crowd at least has a connection to her, and made the hot tag to Charlotte or Becky to let them show their stuff.
The nXt crowd has also been conditioned over the last year or two to respect the women and not just google them like pieces of meat like the WWE has the last 20 years, save for a few moments (Trish's run when she started wrestling). The atmosphere at the beginning of Sasha/Bayley might have been up there with the biggest matches of the WWE this year, as the crowd was electric. By the end, I'm not sure how many matches in the last ten years have had a crowd in the palm of their hand like that.
I don't think Vince has any patience to slowly re-condition his crowd, and eventually he's going to say "I TOLD YOU THIS WOULDN'T WORK!" I mean, the crowd pops more for Summer/Lana catfighting more than anything else.
He'll be disappointed if he can't do 4 matches in one night though...
Edit: Xavier Woods with a trombone is the greatest thing I've seen all year.
Xavier Woods is living the dream.
Only Woods would take a 3d through a table and be ecstatic about it. I love these dudes.
He's hitting all the right notes. I hope he can keep the momentum going.
YesManKablam
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That was the first RAW I watched in around a year. It was pretty fun. I still skipped most of the matches though.
I noticed something about Stang tho. His facepaint was already coming off when they revealed him. Was it really hot under the curtain?
I noticed something about Stang tho. His facepaint was already coming off when they revealed him. Was it really hot under the curtain?
Probably hot, and he was in the curtain for 20+ minutes.
¡HarlequinPanic!
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becky going on with the cyborgs, aliens, etc was cute but that typical everyone talking over each other WWE promo was killing it.
YesManKablam
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Also, Xavier playing the military taps for the finish may be the crowning moment in wrestling.
Yes, I can't imagine why I would take it that way. It's not like you claimed I had a "clear and caustic bias against women" or anything.
PLEASE!!! My boy would be so awesome giving the End of Days to the Wyatt family!
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¡HarlequinPanic!;176475700 said:
Yeah. I loved that bit. There's definitely a whole character there they can work with.
They need to work on Paige's character. I'm not sure who she's supposed to be. I know she wants to be more like Stone Cold but she's far from it right now. They can fix that and just let her open up.
A lot of the Diva's come off so heavily scripted. Becky's little bit was the only decent part.
Also, it's a revolution that needs an authority figure to revolt against.
YesManKablam
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I skipped the entire Divas segment. I'm assuming for the better.
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reminder that New Day's character development was thanks to a Raw after Mania crowd and was not a concerted effort behind the scenes to change them.
Host Samurai
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I really hope they surprise us in 2K16 and get Owen Hart in the game. He was such a huge part in Austins career, like you can't have an Austin showcase mode and not include Owen.
Was it Austin who faced Savio Vega at an In Your House event when ECW invaded and the Sandman spit beer in Savios face? So maybe Sandman, Dreamer and Raven are in.
Was it Austin who faced Savio Vega at an In Your House event when ECW invaded and the Sandman spit beer in Savios face? So maybe Sandman, Dreamer and Raven are in.
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Wrestling doesn't work that way, pal
Welcome to WrassleGAF! And you're right.
I agree totally and like Mahonay conveys (but disagrees with) at the end of this post. Held to a different standard.
Ding-a-ling, correct. Held to a different standard.
She worked hard, put on a career defining match, and she's given no time to breathe, or even soak up what she did on Takeover. It's like all of what she did is nothing.
That's not how it works. Women are being challenged harder than the men, and are given FAR less leeway.
This is what it is, though. It's latent, it's embedded in wrestling culture and institutionalized. It comes out in discussions like this, whether we're recognizing that yes we're holding all women to different standards than men, or not.
And it's fine if you don't recognize that you're a part of it. That's why the institutionalized sexism is such a problem - because GOOD people do it and don't see that it's bad. Good people can do bad things. It just takes listening and opening up your ears and understanding why certain people have a real problem and why it's a problem.
I don't think everyone here is a misogynist. I think wrestling is steeped in it, though, and history definitely supports it. We as a group have to say to ourselves "Okay, why is it most people feel this way?" and deconstruct it, and then realize what we should do to make it better. Why are Nikki Bella's matches not held to the same standard as Big Show's? And then figure out why, and what we're doing wrong, as people.
That'd be awesome. I can dream!
heh heh heh
I think it's latent and is an underlying current that's hard to identify. Everyone is expecting the women to show up and change EVERYTHING on day one, or even month one - when nobody can. Therefore, they're set up to fail. We gotta change that line of thinking. And some people are using this "failure" of the Divas Revolution to say some shitty stuff about people just because they're women.
Did Peepz grace us with a stillshot gallery? I wanna see these Nikki Shorts.
I really hope they surprise us in 2K16 and make a game that is somewhat playable
FallingEdge
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Tanahashi's such a dick, I love it Maggle;
when was this?
I wonder if this means we will get Owen Hart.
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It's the perfect scenario. He can continue to learn how to wrestle better while hiding his inadequacies, except for the hairline.
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stop the damn match
I think getting to Sasha and Charlotte as heels v.s. Becky/Paige would probably be their best bet, but there's a few things that have to happen first with Nikki dropping the belt, Sasha dumping Team BAD like a bunch of jobbers, and Charlotte turning on Paige/Becky to go with Sasha.
Short-term I think the tourney idea would have been the best, but I don't think they're going to do that one now.
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There was a LOT of blaming the women in this thread during the show, but I don't think I saw ANYONE arguing with tacos who was blaming the workers.
funkystudent
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We have a strange group of folks who only show up whenever Raw is on live, and never see until the next one. They're a weird crew.
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It aint anything special but its a step up from my current hell hole.
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YesManKablam
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Slight contrast, but I don't hold the Divas to some special "women's" standard. That's why I don't like the Bellas, I think they're painfully mediocre in the ring and aurally painful on promos, even though they're promoted as the top stars.
Not because I "hate women", but because they're black holes of entertainment to me. People keep telling me "but they're better than before", sure, they are. But they're still bad, because they were ridiculously awful before.
I've seen women's matches as good as any of the males' in WWE, work wise, and I've seen a lot of them. So I don't believe in this patronizing "well it's good, for a woman's match" view. The recent Bayley/Sasha and Becky/Sasha matches at Takeover shows weren't good "for women", they were just plain good. And how they got to that stage wasn't complicated or hard to do.
There really is no reason you can't have good women's wrestling other than that they refuse to put in the effort required to get it. They have their reasons, I'm sure, but it's a total waste of what should be a major part of your show. Their whole "you have to wrestle like divas" thing, or making all of them crazy and going "well that's women for you" on commentary, it's always been unpleasant to me to see how poorly they're portrayed.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Guys, New Day's trombone/Dudley Boyz segment is the "stupid" part of wrestling done to perfection. I was dying the entire time. Xavier Woods is so good.
Proud to say I love New Day.
Proud to say I love New Day.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Baron Corbin is like the DBZ fusion form of Ambrose and Reigns. With a little sprinkling of Corey Graves.
I agree with brisk tacos about NXT women not being shit at first, either. You have to train your audience to expect women to wrestle long matches, and then you start cutting them loose. I guarantee we'll see a match at least of that first Emma/Paige match quality before Wrestlemania, and they can build on that quality over time.
Shit, fellas, maybe they're doing this team stuff so they have time to figure out what each person's role and character on the main roster will be? They had Becky act like a quirky weirdo last night, which is potentially more lucrative a character than the personality-less bullshit she was doing before. Do it in a team, and you can introduce just a flash of it and see how it works, and adjust.
I agree with brisk tacos about NXT women not being shit at first, either. You have to train your audience to expect women to wrestle long matches, and then you start cutting them loose. I guarantee we'll see a match at least of that first Emma/Paige match quality before Wrestlemania, and they can build on that quality over time.
Shit, fellas, maybe they're doing this team stuff so they have time to figure out what each person's role and character on the main roster will be? They had Becky act like a quirky weirdo last night, which is potentially more lucrative a character than the personality-less bullshit she was doing before. Do it in a team, and you can introduce just a flash of it and see how it works, and adjust.