Sweeney Tom
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I miss Mark
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I miss Mark
She had good matches against Charlotte this year.
Enzo got fucked in that he's a wrestler whose only existence is to get whaled on and then do a hot tag, and he is going to get exposed even further now.
I'm not the biggest fan of Bayley (I do think Dakota Kai does a better job of her role); but she was made to look awful.
Brian_FETO
Banned
I'll never forget seeing Sasha/Bayley III live
On a Raw in Chicago where the story was Bayley didn't want to fight back so they walked around and did nothing for a while
RecRoulette
Member
I think the point was that Bayley has(had) potential, where Enzo NEVER had potential.
But yeah, she's on the road to Dolph Ziggler's wouldve/couldve/shouldve status.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
All the worked shoots in the world still couldn't work the crowd like good character based kayfabe:
I miss Mark
Imagine how he feels about Enzo eventually beating Neville after he helped him build the King of the Cruiserweight character.
blackaroni
Member
Same. I'll never forget that retirement speech.
I miss Mark
Also, Bayley is and has always been awful and most things about NXT are incredibly overrated.
He's still got a lot left in the tankAll the worked shoots in the world still couldn't work the crowd like good character based kayfabe:
:'(
Brian_FETO
Banned
Remember Sasha's fake retirement speech
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
I never took her as a serious character. I still don't. Nothing against the person in that role..,but her gimmick is she hugs people and has inflatable tube men. Like how can you take anyone seriously that does that.
Perfect example. The Bushwhackers went around licking people's head...joke team...but as the Sheepherders, they were vicious, evil, and pretty intimidating.
UrbanDandy
Member
Let's not get worked into a shoot, K.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
You do get that she was massively over when she debuted on RAW? She lost her fanbase because she lost everything that made her likeable on NXT rather than building on it.
I don't see how that's having it both ways? I think Bayley lost all her heat because she was booked terribly, I think Alexa was booked strong and gained heat for it. I also think people can get over in spite of being booked weak, and I think they can fail when their booked strong. I'm also not discrediting her mic skills, she's an okay promo, but the one segment where she wasn't just getting talk about her strong booking she put on one of the worst segments of the year.
Having things both ways would be how you have huge issues with Cena's promo last night, but think Bliss is super strong in promos when she does the same thing where she calls out people because she's been booked strong and can just laugh off any of their responses because of it.
blackaroni
Member
I didn't until now. I hate you.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Absolutely.Same. I'll never forget that retirement speech.
Also, Bayley is and has always been awful and most things about NXT are incredibly overrated.
What is this?Same. I'll never forget that retirement speech.
Also, Bayley is and has always been awful and most things about NXT are incredibly overrated.
Bayley was on the main roster for a considerable amount of time and while not a transcendental superstar that people had hoped for, she was mostly respectable and still well-liked. This turn for the worse was not caused by a thousand cuts of Bayley stumbling along the way, unable to find her footing. It was grade A shit-tier booking. Grade A shit tier writing. Grade A shit tier protection.
This notion that talent is SUPPOSED to excel in spite the WWE machinery is fucking ridiculously unacceptable and is only supported by the fact that the WWE has set a standard for its own incompetence. The idea that we accept that as the standard and the talent should have to rise above it is toxic and idiotic. It may be a cold reality that they need to do that to thrive, but it shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for their worth or capability.
This notion that talent is SUPPOSED to excel in spite the WWE machinery is fucking ridiculously unacceptable and is only supported by the fact that the WWE has set a standard for its own incompetence. The idea that we accept that as the standard and the talent should have to rise above it is toxic and idiotic. It may be a cold reality that they need to do that to thrive, but it shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for their worth or capability.
UrbanDandy
Member
Wow.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
That Bruce Lee film that just came out was them? I kinda liked how the trailer looked but didn't see it because the rest of the week of films was bad, and I'm saving my money to see IT 2 or 3 times. Still that looked pretty good
SallyIsNow
Banned
BRAAAAAAUUUUUNNNNNN
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Pro wrestling booking shouldn't be so hard.
So tall guys like Taker, Undertaker, and maybe Kane.
Thats really it. Austin was a happy accident and Cena got himself over with the rap gimmick.
blackaroni
Member
Is there a problem?
Ayup, the only example that works.
SallyIsNow
Banned
I'd argue Austin got over in spite of Vince
Most Everything in NXT is overrated? Bayley is awful.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Alexa's pretty over too at the detriment to the other women.
blackaroni
Member
Yeah, that's what I said. Are you just disagreeing?
I addressed that, you missed it. What was something that made her likeable on NXT that could have continued on Raw? She wasn't a joke character underdog anymore, that story progressed from start to finish. By the time she arrived on national television, WWE had positioned her as one of the Four Horsewomen and all that nonsense. If you build on where she left off in NXT, you're building off "legitimate championship contender who lost on her way out to someone better."
If she were positioned at the bottom of the totem pole in order to tell another bland underdog story, people in the audience, like people here, would have complained about her getting buried and getting booked badly.
There's no booking that saves this character.
And the above is all generous criticism of Bayley: just blaming the character rather than the performer. As noted, there are bad performers who perform badly and receive "bad" booking yet haven't lost fan support in such a dramatic fashion to get booed while talking about a real injury on live television in an arena full of what would've otherwise been her staunchest supporters.
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It's kind of weird the peoples reaction to Alexa in the This Is Your Life bit because it's basically a John Cena 'YOURE NOT EVEN REALLY RICH ALBERTO' type burial
BewareTheBatsie
Member
can't wait for asuka to job clean to an alexa ddt in a few months
It gets me every time. 😂
Well duh, yeah.
Oh my goddd. Hahahaha.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
When's Kane's 20th anniversary
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I addressed that when I pointed that she was hugely over when she debuted because of who she was on NXT? She could essentially just be the babyface who loves the younger fans because she was one once and almost always did the right thing no matter how hard people tried to screw her over to be a role-model to them.
Becky's still over on SD despite not being used in forever because that's pretty much her character without the focus on younger fans. It's not hard.
blackaroni
Member
Honestly, I can't tell if you understand any posts that don't have the words 'Kenny' or 'Omega' so I wanted clarification. Thanks.
Name one person who has gained anything from feuding with Alexa
Because even Naomi's babyface personality makes Carmella look like an even more vile heel. Same thing with Becky and James Ellsworth. The Charlotte/Sasha hotshotting shit got real old but the idea seemed to be to make them both look good.
Where as Alexa's gimmick seems to be a 4 foot tall burial machine that dominates her opponent in the ring(which looks fucking horrible by the way) and on the mic. How exciting.
Because even Naomi's babyface personality makes Carmella look like an even more vile heel. Same thing with Becky and James Ellsworth. The Charlotte/Sasha hotshotting shit got real old but the idea seemed to be to make them both look good.
Where as Alexa's gimmick seems to be a 4 foot tall burial machine that dominates her opponent in the ring(which looks fucking horrible by the way) and on the mic. How exciting.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Lets shoot from the knees in a prone position:
No one that has been a star in the current era of NXT has done jack shit on either show.
Seth and Roman are not in that group.
AJ skipped NXT
BRAUN was NXT as a Rose Bud. He was working with Brock a couple of years ago at the PC but never put on tv as a wrestler.
Club: I don't even know anymore..but they were tag champs..something the hottest NXT tag team in Enzo and Cass failed to do.
They tried to run with Finn and he got injured..he even beat Roman Reigns CLEAN.They had to give the title to KO to tell a story...and KO was slaughtered by Goldberg.
The women's titles have been passed around like a joint.
Nakamura could've skipped NXT but noooo and now he's losing to Jinder...Finn beat Jinder easy.
You better pray Roode lays low and doesn't get over without Vince's ok.
No one that has been a star in the current era of NXT has done jack shit on either show.
Seth and Roman are not in that group.
AJ skipped NXT
BRAUN was NXT as a Rose Bud. He was working with Brock a couple of years ago at the PC but never put on tv as a wrestler.
Club: I don't even know anymore..but they were tag champs..something the hottest NXT tag team in Enzo and Cass failed to do.
They tried to run with Finn and he got injured..he even beat Roman Reigns CLEAN.They had to give the title to KO to tell a story...and KO was slaughtered by Goldberg.
The women's titles have been passed around like a joint.
Nakamura could've skipped NXT but noooo and now he's losing to Jinder...Finn beat Jinder easy.
You better pray Roode lays low and doesn't get over without Vince's ok.
You don't understand, she's hot and shrill so she can get away with being green as gooseshit
BewareTheBatsie
Member
OCTOBER 5TH!
SallyIsNow
Banned
I call the October thread so it's not some Kane bullshit.
blackaroni
Member
Owens is probably the best thing to come out of NXT. I'm completely excluding his indy past because I don't know anything about that besides him calling someone the n word.
Wait. Sami too. Sami is good...And Neville.
Wait. Sami too. Sami is good...And Neville.
But that's who she was when she arrived at Raw.
In what should have surprised no one, cynical adult sports entertainment fans like the lot of us didn't care for that character at all. Children weren't the ones booing an injured Bayley in Toronto. She started getting booed long before then but that was the obvious nadir.
Thus, it proves my point: taking her NXT schtick and using it on national television was not going to work because it's been done and hasn't worked.
For better or worse, people watching NXT will treat NXT as completely earnest. Those same people will then watch the nationally televised product and talk about how awesome it is when wrasslers shoot on each other and then cheer the villains and boo the heroes, even the same performers who they previously treated at face value in NXT. It's a strange phenomenon for sure.
Shrill? She always seemed effectively sassy to me, but not shrill. Maybe there's been an evolution of her character, though... >_>
My sweet prince.
HashtagLapsed
Member
NXT has consistent, simple stories and consistent characters.
WWE has so little logical consistency or character consistency I have to assume it is booked by a senile old man.
WWE has so little logical consistency or character consistency I have to assume it is booked by a senile old man.
iconic
Should seen the Fall of Bayley coming from a mile away. This let you know right away that creative didn't get Bayley at all.