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[Carnby]

Raw – Jan 6 1997

Knickerbocker Arena, Albany New York

So as I said last night, I was at this Raw. In fact, it was my first Raw.

I was so excited to be at my first Raw. First up were the dark matches. And that's when I heard Vader's music. "It's Time! It's Time! It's VADER TIME TIME time time...." And out walked Vader. My brother and I jumped to our feet and marked out. "VAAAAADEEEEEE!!!!" Then Vader walked out. "There's VADER! VAAAAAADER!!!! YES!!!!!" No one else in our seating section was marking out, or even cheering. And then suddenly Vader disappeared. My bother and I were so confused. Suddenly Vader was in the ring, and it was actually Mini Vader. A little people version of Vader. lol. My brother and I were so embarrassed. We slouched back in our seats trying to hide, while laughing hysterically.

This was also the RAW that I learned that they taped an entire months of Raw in one night. It was exhausting and confusing. Near the end of the night, Bret Hart walked out during Stone Cold's match. Bret was limping and had a crutch. We were confused and a bit concerned because there was no reason to think it was a story line injury. Weeks later we watched the go-home show and discovered that Bret was attacked by Austin "the day before on Superstars". So basically, Bret was selling an injury that was going to happen three weeks in the future.

I also remember all of the Mini matches. Mini Mankind, Mini Vader, and Max Mini beat up Jerry Lawler after he said they use his socks for sleeping bags. That whole Mini versions of wrestlers was weird.

 

[Jamie OD]

Has Muta ever used the mist while wrestling as Mutoh?

No he hasn't, at least to my knowledge. There may have been an angle a few years ago when Suwama used the Mist on Muto to set up a match against Muta but my memory of it is fuzzy.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

This is what the non-WWE viewing public thinks of the acting:
http://imgur.com/gallery/f98qMir

(read the comments)

Immediately the first thing that comes to mind to them is how laughable the acting is. Even on segments us smarks would consider serviceable acting, it would be laughed off by the general public.

Imagine if they saw a Brie segment.

 

[Penguin]

That's messed up, man. Please go on. >_>

And hey, guys, I just watched The Terminator for the first time ever. It was a good time. How does T2 (that's what the kids say, right?) compare?

I envy you, getting to watch Terminator and T2 for the first time ever.

What I wouldn't give for that again

 

[Spider from Mars]

What makes me happy is very dear to me, too. Cute anime things are an artistic representation of the happiness deep inside my heart. So it hurts when people say things against that.

All they have to do is admit anime is trash, just like wrestling is trash and move on.

 

[Liquidsnake]

You also tell the mod he sucks

I wonder if wrestlegaf would attempt to come to my rescue when I get permd?

 

[Sokantish]

All they have to do is admit anime is trash, just like wrestling is trash and move on.

I'm no anime expert but isn't that an anime avatar you have, Spider?

Oh I get what you're saying, sometimes we can't help but like trash. I can relate, I'm a Raiders fan!

 

[Gonzalez]

Has Muta ever used the mist while wrestling as Mutoh?

The closest I can think of is that time Muta, and Mutoh wrestled in the same tag match. Muta(who was a member of nWo Japan) left to the back, turned up a few minutes later as Mutoh then turned on New Japan, and joining the nWo. That's as close as those two characters lips touched the same mist. At least I think?

 

[Alucard]

You guys are making me want to watch Alien.

Need to check out the DC at some point, as I've heard it's even better than the original.

 

[Alucard]

So as I said last night, I was at this Raw. In fact, it was my first Raw.

I was so excited to be at my first Raw. First up were the dark matches. And that's when I heard Vader's music. "It's Time! It's Time! It's VADER TIME TIME time time...." And out walked Vader. My brother and I jumped to our feet and marked out. "VAAAAADEEEEEE!!!!" Then Vader walked out. "There's VADER! VAAAAAADER!!!! YES!!!!!" No one else in our seating section was marking out, or even cheering. And then suddenly Vader disappeared. My bother and I were so confused. Suddenly Vader was in the ring, and it was actually Mini Vader. A little people version of Vader. lol. My brother and I were so embarrassed. We slouched back in our seats trying to hide, while laughing hysterically.

This was also the RAW that I learned that they taped an entire months of Raw in one night. It was exhausting and confusing. Near the end of the night, Bret Hart walked out during Stone Cold's match. Bret was limping and had a crutch. We were confused and a bit concerned because there was no reason to think it was a story line injury. Weeks later we watched the go-home show and discovered that Bret was attacked by Austin "the day before on Superstars". So basically, Bret was selling an injury that was going to happen three weeks in the future.

I also remember all of the Mini matches. Mini Mankind, Mini Vader, and Max Mini beat up Jerry Lawler after he said they use his socks for sleeping bags. That whole Mini versions of wrestlers was weird.

Sounds like a typically confusing childhood experience. "Why are they doing that?" Etc.

 

[Spider from Mars]

I'm no anime expert but isn't that an anime avatar you have, Spider?

Oh I get what you're saying, sometimes we can't help but like trash

Sure is, my good man. It's a penguin that drinks beer in a show about shitty, depressed, angst ridden teenagers with daddy issues that are forced to pilot mechs to the point of mental breakdowns to save the world. It's the dumbest shit ever and I love it.

 

[Alucard]

Is it Evangelion, Spider? I don't think so. Been ages since I've seen it.

 

[Marvel]

Oh I walk in on him jerking off (in the middle of the LIVING ROOM, not a bedroom or bathroom or anything, the computer is in the living room) 4 times a month. And weirdly it isn't even to porn. It's to games on Facebook.



This is why I drink.

I... I now understand.

 

[Spider from Mars]

Is it Evangelion, Spider? I don't think so. Been ages since I've seen it.

 

[RP912]

I'm listening to the ross report for the first time and is it normal for his sponsor shout out being longer than the fucking podcast?

 

[Gonzalez]

Sure is, my good man. It's a penguin that drinks beer in a show about shitty, depressed, angst ridden teenagers with daddy issues that are forced to pilot mechs to the point of mental breakdowns to save the world. It's the dumbest shit ever and I love it.

I don't remember Giant Robo having a penguin.

 

[Carnby]

Sounds like a typically confusing childhood experience. "Why are they doing that?" Etc.

lol. I was 16 years old.

 

[lovely ladies]

spoilers

come on man

I remember having the same thoughts as you when I first found out they were bulk taped.

 

[Alucard]

Sweet. Forgot about the penguin. Evangelion spoke to pimple-faced social teenage rejects everywhere.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I don't remember Giant Robo having a penguin.

Giant Robo was THE SHIT

I also liked evangelion

 

[Spider from Mars]

Plus, the last two episodes of the series is the creator telling anime fans to get a life and stop living in these fantasy lands they create within their own minds. Get out in the real world, make real friends and live!

Fucking nerds

 

[Marvel]

I've not seen Evangelion, Penquin has piqued my interest though.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Plus, the last two episodes of the series is the creator telling anime fans to get a life and stop living in these fantasy lands they create within their own minds. Get out in the real world, make real friends and live!

Fucking nerds

And then the movie is him realizing they never will, so fuck you guys! It's hilarious

 

[Spider from Mars]

I've not seen Evangelion, Penquin has piqued my interest though.

Pen Pen just likes to drink

and go hard

 

[Marvel]

Pen Pen just likes to drink
and go hard

Sold.

 

[British Monsoon]

Browsing through a Crockett/Mid-Atlantic set from the late 60's/early 70's, I found this match;

Jerry Brisco vs Danny Hodge - (GCW 1973/10/01)

For all the old guy's talk of Hodge being the best technician of his day, I've never found a match of his before, so this was great to see. It's a bit clipped but the meat of the match is there. Hodge was pretty swift, even at age 41, and comes across as a right mean old bastard, while still giving young Jerry (who the crowd are firmly behind) a lot of offence in the process. Some nice counters on the mat from Hodge, who really wrenches in whatever hold he's working, the crowd popping huge whenever Jerry manages an escape. Good stuff.

 

[Carnby]

I changed my subscription option back to auto renew. It's ten dollars a month. I don't need to watch it everyday to find the value in spending ten freaking dollars.

Also, I feel bad for WWE right now. They are trying something innovative and pro-consumer. I gotta support that.

 

[Carnby]

Story time. When my wife was a teenager, her neighbor's cat used to sneak in hear house. One day she caught him and decided to take a candid picture of him using 8mm film. When she had the picture developed, this was the out come (minus the text).

Almost 20 years in the making, I present this picture a gift to our friend Stro. Thanks for all your hard work buddy.

 

[Recall]

Decided to watch a PWG show and wanted to give a little recap on each match, sorry for no flashy gifs or fancy pictures. I did watch this show once when it was first released but that was 8 year ago so I thought why not revisit it.

I will say it is hard to go from watching a boatload of 90’s AJPW to then watching indy wrestling in a promotion that at the time, solely existed for the laughs and to not take itself too seriously.

PWG - Beyond The Thunderdome (March 18 2006)
1) Bino Gambino, Alex Koslov & Top Gun Talwar vs. Disco Machine, Nemesis & Ronin.
Match thoughts: Standard PWG 6 man tag affair with plenty of moves for the sake of it and a wide array of botches. Ronin beat up his team mates after the match as did Koslov with his team, Ronin scored the victory so why he turned on his team made no sense.

2) Mr. Excitement vs. TJ Perkins
Match thoughts: Lots of holds and counter wrestling here, which was honestly nice to see. I’ve always appreciated how seriously TJ takes his wrestling but he is lacking in the charisma department. The moment Mr Excitement went for the laughs, TJ simply left the ring and just waited for the moment to pass then got back in. The match was totally fine and both tried to do something more akin to a standard match and I enjoyed it for what it was.

3) Chris Bosh & Scott Lost vs. El Generico & Quicksliver (No.1 Contenders Match)
Match thoughts: Now thiswas an exciting tag match with everyone working hard and keeping it all very focused. Plenty of actual team work especially with Lost and Bosh heeling it up, plenty of big moves and well earned spots plus they built up the finish quite well resulting in the match being truly entertaining from beginning to end. There was an energy and urgency about the match that worked perfectly making it all flow really well. Easily the best match of the card so far and I’m not sure if it will be topped, crowd really enjoyed themselves too which did add quite a bit.

4) B-Boy vs. Kevin Steen (No.1 Contenders Match)
Match thoughts: They start the match by trading holds and some guy yells boring, so both B-Boy and Steen stop the match to get the crowd to turn on the guy. That was an unusual sight to say the least. The match itself was just ok, they did plenty that’s for sure yet it suffered greatly as they flipped so frequently who was in control that it was hard to get behind either man. The final few minutes were the highlight of the match and the finish was totally not what I was expecting with B-Boy going over with a roll up.

5) Human Tornado vs. Scorpio Sky
Match thoughts: Tornado comes out on crutches and seemingly has a broken leg or ankle, and we still get a match. A pretty solid affair where they did well with what they could and Scorpio Sky heeled it up perfectly and efficiently destroyed Tornado. It told a much better story than any other match preceding it and overall it was a very fun watch.

6) Joey Ryan (c) vs. Chris Sabin (PWG World Championship Match)
Match thoughts: A perfectly acceptable match though nothing earth shattering or even memorable. After a few ref bumps Sabin wins the match only for it to be restarted on a technicality allowing Ryan to keep his belt after a few more ref bumps. I know that around the time with TNA wrestlers only allowed to appear non televised indies and that no TNA wrestler was seemingly allowed to lose cleanly which meant shenanigans in the finish or a flash pin. We got the shenanigan finish here, the crowd seemed to be behind Sabin but the match was pretty generic.

7) Super Dragon & Davey Richards (c) vs. Christopher Daniels & AJ Styles (PWG World Tag Title Match)
Match thoughts: Christopher Daniels is the TNA X-Division champ here and AJ Styles was main eventing TNA shows so I expect either a title switch or a screwy /flash finish. AJ & Richards seemed to have a real problem with each other which resulted in some excellent exchanges, usually the cutting each other off with stiff strikes type. Lots of great team work moments too from both sides and it made for a highly competitive encounter, as neither wrestler clearly wanted to hold anything back or be outshone by the other. After all was said and done it certainly was a great tag title match and the intensity level was off the charts, it stumbled a little towards the end with Super Dragon messing up a few spots but it still entertained.

Overall show thoughts:
Two great tag matches with a load of hot action and some genuine exciting moments add in a decent bunch of singles matches made for a solid show, the best singles match was Scorpio Sky vs. Human Tornado as what they were aiming for was achieved extremely well. I certainly wasn’t bored at any point watching the show and while the PWG style is sometimes a little hit and miss with myself I found it wasn’t a hindrance what so ever.

 

[Gonzalez]

I changed my subscription option back to auto renew. It's ten dollars a month. I don't need to watch it everyday to find the value in spending ten freaking dollars.

Also, I feel bad for WWE right now. They are trying something innovative and pro-consumer. I gotta support that.

Damn, Vinnie Mac is so desperate that he's sent his stooges to sell us his crap on GAF. You should be ashamed.

 

[Carnby]

Damn, Vinnie Mac is so desperate that he's sent his stooges to sell us his crap on GAF. You should be ashamed.

nine ninety nine

 

[Alucard]

nine ninety nine

How much?

 

[Carnby]

Guise

I watched You're Next last night. It's the movie where they killers wear the Wyatt masks.

It was prettay prettay prettay pretty good.

This song will never be the same to me again.

Edit: I researched the film and found out this movie was part of a hipster horror genre called Mumblegore. Coincidentally I just watched Cheap Thrills, and loved it, which is also part of the Mumblegore movement.

 

[Spider from Mars]

Guise

I watched You're Next last night. It's the movie where they killers wear the Wyatt masks.

It was prettay prettay prettay pretty good.

This song will never be the same to me again.

Edit: I researched the film and found out this movie was part of a hipster horror genre called Mublegore. Coincidentally I just watched Cheap Thrills, and loved it, which is also part of the Mublegore movement.

Mumblegore homie, an offshoot of mumblecore films.

Indie means better, you should know that by now.

 

[Serpentine]

Guise

I watched You're Next last night. It's the movie where they killers wear the Wyatt masks.

It was prettay prettay prettay pretty good.

This song will never be the same to me again.

Edit: I researched the film and found out this movie was part of a hipster horror genre called Mublegore. Coincidentally I just watched Cheap Thrills, and loved it, which is also part of the Mublegore movement.

That's a dope movie. I didn't know that mumblegore was a sub genre, but I do wanna see Cheap Thrills

 

[strobogo]

AY YO, SOUL, *SHIMMY SHIMMY*

 

[slightconfuse]

Titus your evil clone has been banned

 

[Gonzalez]

AY YO, SOUL, *SHIMMY SHIMMY*

Such a shame that all the other Fridays after this didn't follow the continuity of this one. Would have loved to have seen Tommy go around wearing a hockey mask and giving unsuspecting victims Attitude Adjustments onto various sharp objects.

 

[Penguin]

Guise

I watched You're Next last night. It's the movie where they killers wear the Wyatt masks.

It was prettay prettay prettay pretty good.

This song will never be the same to me again.

Edit: I researched the film and found out this movie was part of a hipster horror genre called Mublegore. Coincidentally I just watched Cheap Thrills, and loved it, which is also part of the Mublegore movement.

So that's a genre eh...

Watched two movies recently with a similar premise to Cheap Thrills

 

[British Monsoon]

Time Lord gimmick for Big Dave's return?

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Batista looks really slimmed down

 

[strobogo]

Such a shame that all the other Fridays after this didn't follow the continuity of this one. Would have loved to have seen Tommy go around wearing a hockey mask and giving unsuspecting victims Attitude Adjustments onto various sharp objects.

You might have given me an idea for the next gif.

 

[RP912]

Time Lord gimmick for Big Dave's return?

Batista going for that BBC money confirmed...

 

[Gonzalez]

You might have given me an idea for the next gif.

I'm surprised no one has made a Tommy Jarvis Titantron based on that scene. Instead it's just a bunch of making music videos with shitty mid-00's emo Rock.

 

[alstein]

I've not seen Evangelion, Penquin has piqued my interest though.

If you want penguins, watch Penguin Drum instead- it's more coherent.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Off topic has gone full blown crazy. I'm gonna stay here for awhile

 

[Carnby]

Off topic has gone full blown crazy. I'm gonna stay here for awhile

cism

for even thinking like that.

 

[Hasney]

Yeah stay here. Take off your pants. Maybe masturbate a little bit. Grab a slice of pizza. It's all good brah.

 

[British Monsoon]

Nice little documentary about Johnny Gargano;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_4zaBpHsm0

Worth a watch, even if you're not a fan of the guy. He seems really down to earth and loves what he does - beware of the feels around five minutes in though.

 

[slightconfuse]

Gargano and Chick Taylor are pretty Aweosme guys.

Also BOLA sounds amazng so far