AusGAF 2.0 - Twice the price, a year late but still moving forward
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All of those are illegal in Australia. Format shifting of anything except music is copyright infringement under the Australian laws. There is no arguing it, the only legal use for modchips in Australia is region unlocking.Dead Man said:
Running homebrew has a possible case, but it is not as easy to argue as region locking, because region locking opens the market to allow you to import PS3 games to avoid local price gouging, whereas you should be able to play similar homebrew software on PC or other devices.
JB has a really good price on the starter pack, which is even cheaper than the US price ($98AU), so perhaps getting the PS3 separate with the starter pack from JB is a better choice.teekun said:
I think you mean me, as it was my point.VOOK said:
There is no doubt that the court case that legalised modchips in Australia will surface during this trial. It was very clear in that case that the chips were only allowed as they supported region unlocking, which the Jigkick does not allow. If the 3DS is released region locked, and a modchip that allows unlocking is released, then Nintendo cannot fight them in Australia. If they make it region free, they can fight any 3DS modchip which is released.
This case will cement that decision, so Nintendo may make the 3DS region free so they can easily fight modchips.
They possibly still can. If somebody does make a Jigkick v2 or clone that can make the PS1, PS2, DVD or Blu-ray features on the PS3 region free with legally distributable code which is shipped with or on the device, then it should be legal to sell and install within Australia.Nemesis556 said:
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Clipper said:
I would probably buy one then to be honest. My VAIO plays Region A Blu-Rays, while my PS3 is Region B. (or the other way around, not sure).
My collection is kind of all over the place but I try to source region free releases wherever possible, but it's starting to get harder and harder. =(
There is a Starter Pack, which is probably what you're talking about. Comes with Move controller, Eye camera, and a demo disc.teekun said:
EDIT: Oh, you mean bundled with the console?
Well the US Starter Pack comes with Sports Champions or whatever packed in, whereas the European one only comes with a demo disc of Move titles. Personally, I'd rather pay a bit more for a proper game than a demo disc.Clipper said:
Kritz said:
Oh I check them. Replying is a different matter though!
When yours came through I was standing on a train platform at central station. I saw the wall of text and realised this needed more than just a casual glance, so I pocketed my phone and got on the train, listening to Idle Thumbs (again).
Reading through it now. Reply forthcoming.
Where's the best place to get this? Would a group buy be best?Clipper said:
Also, who is getting what? I think I'll just be getting the starter pack but am tempted to get the nunchuck as well just in case something I want supports it. Definitely importing if there's a full game included with the US pack.
Hmm... If we use hopshopgo, then a group purchase might actually become worthwhile... I was just going to ship to a friend in the States and have him send it over, but if you got enough people interested, it could work. Trust is a big issue with this, though.Shaneus said:
I've been trying to work out what to get as well. I'm definitely not buying more than one Navigation Controller (nunchuck) and not sure if I'll even get one at all (as you can just use a normal controller instead). I do want a second Move controller to play with friends. The controllers themselves seem cheapest in Japan, so I've been thinking of getting the other stuff there, but haven't made up my mind yet.
Hmm... ozgameshop's prices on the hardware does seem pretty good. About the same as getting them from Japan once you include shipping. Looks like that's where I'll be getting my accessories. Still need to figure out the best way to get the Starter Pack from the US though.Shaneus said:
hirokazu said:
Yeah, I meant bundled with a console. I may just get the console on its own if the bundle is shit, though. I've already got a PS eye, and if the starter kit doesn't even come with a full game, forget it. I'll just buy the move controllers on their own when and if I want one.
I was just working with the assumption that I'd be able to get a console + Move gear sometime in the next couple of weeks for the same price as a console alone, but it doesn't look like that's the case.
VOOK said:
When the Wii can do augmented reality and HD I'll call them the same thing. I realize the Move is just a slightly enhanced rip off of the Wii controls, but I don't really care. I play PS3 games way more than Wii and it would be nice to have some fun casual motion control games that take advantage of modern hardware.
I have to agree with teekun. I love the Wii and motion controls and I am a huge Nintendo fanboy, but Move really does seem to be better in some aspects. What sold me were in the video demos I saw within Qore Ep 26 (thank you US Playstation Plus). I was amazed at how much better the control and possibilities seemed to be over what I'm used to with Wii. Whether the games actually live up to the potential is yet to be seen, but they do have a good chance. The better graphics are a bonus too, of course.VOOK said:
I would agree with you on Kinect, though. It seems to be a glorified Eyetoy. Yeah, you'll get some cool body based stuff, but how are you supposed to replicate the aim functionality of the Wiimote and Move using Kinect? Point your finger and say Pew-Pew?
Thus, Move makes a lot of sense to me. It seems to be able to do everything the Wiimote can, but more accurately than even WiiMotion Plus, and the extra processing power under the hood of the PS3 may lead to some really great Augmented Reality or other things that just aren't possible on Wii.
Clipper said:
True.
Still doesn't make it any less of a fact that Sony and Microsoft are only jumping into this because of Nintendo. The tech is superior only because it's newer, and they had something to base it on.
It's now an arms (see what I did there) race, and while the Wii isn't HD or has the camera globe stuff, the Move and Kinect are only just 'catching up' to the Wii. It'll be up to Nintendo to capitalise on this and one up them when it's time for their next console.
Out of two I think the the Move will be more successful, I can appreciate the technology behind it but the Kinect? Pure shit. That'll have such a massive backlash after a few months when it suffers the Wii effect and people go 'shit I just don't like doing that' and go back to playing COD.
My opinion here though will fall of deaf ears, every is all 'lol Wii here' despite not even having one.
Clipper, different topic. What are your thoughts on getting the ACCC involved with regards to region locking. I've phoned them once before, and they said we might have something.
FWIW, cheapest option seems to be buying from UK then getting the game separately. I'm guessing that it will be cheaper still for us to buy the pack here then wait until all the pack-ins from the US go on eBay.
PS. Dragon Age mega-cheap on Impulse but we're region locked out of it... anyone know if that's easy enough to bypass?
PS. Dragon Age mega-cheap on Impulse but we're region locked out of it... anyone know if that's easy enough to bypass?
Oh yeah and here is my Metroid price round up, I'd tell you how the game is but I don't have a review copy for it.
lol Wii.
lol Wii.
VOOK said:
I predict both Move and Kinect will bomb spectacularly. Not because 'they are copying Nintendo' however, but because the motion control wagon has long left town. For a good while it was the in thing and everyone had to get their hands on it, but now not many people care. Look at the big games hitting the Wii, most of them only make small use of motion, and even then that's generally not received well (Metroid).
The only way either of these devices made sense was to be launched with a new console. Add ons never work, especially when they're expensive and a few years too late.
Mar said:
The hipocracy with gamers (and now the gaming media) is hilarious, hating on the Wii because of Motion controls but now are receptive to it because it's on the PS3 and Xbox 360.
Motion Control has never been the problem, it's that it was on a Nintendo console and it's sucess proved everyone wrong.
But no Mar I can't share your prediction. At least in Australia both Move and Kinect will shift significant numbers this Xmas, all the retailers shilling the living shit out of it will see to that. But the backalash in a couple months when software runs dry will be remarkable. It'll be 'Kinect and Move' is gathering dust jokes from here on out.
And yep, the whole waggly phase the Wii went through at the beginning will be seen again on the Kinect and Move. All these great grand ideas that don't pan out, just like Motion Plus. As you said, addons fail.
btw Kinect is out November 18th for $199. <-- Joke.
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Fredescu said:
People saying Move is better than Wii.
People saying all Wii games are 2/10
Move is better because it's HD
I LOVE MY PS3 BETTER SO MOVE IS BETTER
Some of these comments may have been sarcasm but I'm lead to believe otherwise.
It's just so boring to hear people bag out the Wii now, and as VOOK said, it's rather hypocritical for some people too.
Uh, where did anyone say Wii is crap (apart from Kritz, now that I look back over the posts)? Saying Move has better capabilities than the Wii doesn't mean the Wii is bad.Nemesis556 said:
Your opinion isn't lost on me, at least. I love Wii, and I'm interested to see where Nintendo will go with the competition provided by Move/Kinect if either take off.VOOK said:
I'm not sure I quite follow you. Would the ACCC be able to force Nintendo to allow the 3DS to be region free? I can definitely see the merit in pursuing such an approach for a valid outcome, but what sort of work is involved?
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