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AusGAF 2.0 - Twice the price, a year late but still moving forward
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viciouskillersquirrel
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Does Bigpond meter Steam downloads? I've been gifted Portal (never played it) and am wondering if it's a good idea to download it now or wait until the end of my billing period.
You can specify GameArena in the Steam settings which should ensure a quota-free download. Use TCP/IP in windows to check that it's not using another ISP.viciouskillersquirrel said:
Otherwise there's a bunch of third-party apps that make easy the process of blocking non-GameArena ports. If you're already ratecapped then you're SOL.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Sweet. I'll download it tonight.Bernbaum said:
Choc said:
I think appealing beyond the High Court is technically possible (to the Privy Council) but the ability to do so isn't granted anymore. My understanding of it is that's technically there because we're a part of the Commonwealth but for all intents and purposes might as well not be.
Also appealing to the High Court isn't straight-forward as it has special requirements and will only accept appeals within a limited set of exceptions, including conflicts between courts.
Heres an idea would like some opinions on-
Does the inevitable 2-3 month price drop for new release titles influence buying habits at retail?
There is the expectation that after a certain amount of time has passed, new release titles are significantly slashed in price, or if the title suffers from Bomba status, it can be picked up for a song in a matter of mere months. It is a trend likely limited to retail online services like Steam offer competitive prices on launch day, and despite frequent sales, PC gamers still tend to pick up titles close to launch and dont hold off for a price-drop (I of course welcome any alternative ideas on DD buying behaviour).
Thinking back to pre-Christmas 2010, there were plenty of titles released within the year that were a mere fraction of their launch price. Im thinking top- to middle-tier stuff like Darksiders, FFXIII, Bayonetta etc. They were titles which enjoyed reasonable sales success internationally but were available ubiquitously at cheap prices not long after launching at around the $100 mark.
Most people here put in a bit of homework prior to purchasing a game to ensure value and I imagine that buying habits of the average GAF member arent likely to be representative of the majority of customers. I wonder what the penetration of sites like Ecogamer is like outside of the hardcore and if the general gamer is as value-conscious as AusGAF.
I can walk out and buy Little Big Planet 2 from JB for $64 right now - a game that still has the 'new car smell'. That is a very good first party game from an established franchise yet it didnt enjoy local market success. I hate that a games chance for success is limited to a very tight window following release and it appears that window is growing tighter. Given the increasing frequency of this trend, I worry that customers are getting too familiar with significant drops in price not long after launch and are holding back from a purchase because of the expectation of the inevitable discounts. Why pay $100 on launch if I can get it for half that in a few month's time?
The issue first came to mind when I saw Enslaved on shelves for about $60. Disregarding the divided consensus on the quality of the game and avoiding the price per minute of fun argument, I probably would have held off on paying the ~$90 I did on launch day for what I still think was a fun well-made game. If Im noticing this sort of behaviour in myself, surely there are others who have considered it.
I dont know if there is a similar situation in the US, but I would expect the behaviour to be more common in Australia where the higher prices are a hard factor to tolerate.
Does the inevitable 2-3 month price drop for new release titles influence buying habits at retail?
There is the expectation that after a certain amount of time has passed, new release titles are significantly slashed in price, or if the title suffers from Bomba status, it can be picked up for a song in a matter of mere months. It is a trend likely limited to retail online services like Steam offer competitive prices on launch day, and despite frequent sales, PC gamers still tend to pick up titles close to launch and dont hold off for a price-drop (I of course welcome any alternative ideas on DD buying behaviour).
Thinking back to pre-Christmas 2010, there were plenty of titles released within the year that were a mere fraction of their launch price. Im thinking top- to middle-tier stuff like Darksiders, FFXIII, Bayonetta etc. They were titles which enjoyed reasonable sales success internationally but were available ubiquitously at cheap prices not long after launching at around the $100 mark.
Most people here put in a bit of homework prior to purchasing a game to ensure value and I imagine that buying habits of the average GAF member arent likely to be representative of the majority of customers. I wonder what the penetration of sites like Ecogamer is like outside of the hardcore and if the general gamer is as value-conscious as AusGAF.
I can walk out and buy Little Big Planet 2 from JB for $64 right now - a game that still has the 'new car smell'. That is a very good first party game from an established franchise yet it didnt enjoy local market success. I hate that a games chance for success is limited to a very tight window following release and it appears that window is growing tighter. Given the increasing frequency of this trend, I worry that customers are getting too familiar with significant drops in price not long after launch and are holding back from a purchase because of the expectation of the inevitable discounts. Why pay $100 on launch if I can get it for half that in a few month's time?
The issue first came to mind when I saw Enslaved on shelves for about $60. Disregarding the divided consensus on the quality of the game and avoiding the price per minute of fun argument, I probably would have held off on paying the ~$90 I did on launch day for what I still think was a fun well-made game. If Im noticing this sort of behaviour in myself, surely there are others who have considered it.
I dont know if there is a similar situation in the US, but I would expect the behaviour to be more common in Australia where the higher prices are a hard factor to tolerate.
http://twitter.com/search?q=#iitrial
Appeal dismissed. iinet wins.
http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/24/iinet-fights-off-afacts-piracy-appeal/
Appeal dismissed. iinet wins.
http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/24/iinet-fights-off-afacts-piracy-appeal/
viciouskillersquirrel
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It does for parents of young kids. For teens and Gen Y with their own money? Not so much.Bernbaum said:
-Deadpool-
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Bernbaum said:
I think this window is tightening not because of past consumer expectation or even the 'bomba' status - but as a result of Internet sales.
The people who literally cannot wait for a one-two week delivery walk through the door on day one and pick up their game at JB or BigW for $89.
An increasing majority of people (myself included, probably ~20 people that I know of just in one of my local forums) are willing to wait that week or two and buy from Ozgameshop for example.
Retailers are having to factor this in quickly as the price difference for that week/two delay is much more substantial than it has been in the past. You can save $30-40 now quite easily.
I don't know whether people are ignoring new release titles for 2-3 months and then picking them up at retail when the price drops - or if those people have left retail entirely (or at least increasingly) to Internet sales.
LBP2 is a good example. I don't think it's mere coincidence that it was dropped to $64 so quickly - a price that just happened to be within $1 of the exchange rate pricing from TheHut/365Games/Ozgame conversion. A test maybe?
Internet sales have completely sold me against retail. I also find myself PC gaming again a lot more (back to my ~90's levels), simply because the games are cheaper to start with and cheaper quicker. Hell, $4 AUD for Supreme Commander 2. How can anyone argue with that?
It spells disaster for retailers though.
I've gone off on a bit of a tangent, but you ask, "Does the inevitable 2-3 month price drop for new release titles influence buying habits at retail?", I ask, are people waiting 2-3 months retail at all when they're probably buying online, saving the same $30-40 and only waiting a week or two?
full details
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCAFC/2011/23.html
interesting read. AFACT are living in fucking fairy land and their consultants on how the internet works are obviously stupid or biased
Quote FTW
It was not our job to do AFACTs job for it and it was therefore a waste of resources to investigate or to review minute details provided for thousands of allegations.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/FCAFC/2011/23.html
interesting read. AFACT are living in fucking fairy land and their consultants on how the internet works are obviously stupid or biased
Quote FTW
It was not our job to do AFACTs job for it and it was therefore a waste of resources to investigate or to review minute details provided for thousands of allegations.
http://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-152614-The-Witcher-2-Assasins-of-Kings-Collectors-Edition-PC
$150, i think it's been known for a while though right? Mighty tempted!
$150, i think it's been known for a while though right? Mighty tempted!
BanShunsaku
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markot said:
Appeal dismissed. iinet wins.
Hmm. Mr Hutz, do you realize you're not wearing any pants?
As to (14) (forwarding AFACT notices to police): There are two problems with iiNet seeking to rely on this action as a reasonable step to prevent the primary infringements. The first is that the elements of peer to peer file sharing do not fit readily within the offence provisions of the Copyright Act. Accordingly, it is doubtful whether the criminal (as opposed to civil) law could apply. Hence, it would have been reasonably clear to iiNet that the police would have no interest in pursuing the AFACT notices. Second, iiNets compliance officer, Ms Moonen, forwarded an email to the same police officer nominated in iiNets correspondence to AFACT about the activities of the person who operated the DtecNet agent as follows:
Hey Duncan,
Wed like to report the client who posed as an iiNet customer, downloaded a whole pile of content, and then is now suing us as he was able to infringe copyright.
Is there any way I could call in a personal favor and have that individual prosecuted? Today?
ahahahahahahha. iinet tried to get the guy running dtecnet to find the pirate users arrested
lol
Hey Duncan,
Wed like to report the client who posed as an iiNet customer, downloaded a whole pile of content, and then is now suing us as he was able to infringe copyright.
Is there any way I could call in a personal favor and have that individual prosecuted? Today?
ahahahahahahha. iinet tried to get the guy running dtecnet to find the pirate users arrested
lol
just as an FYI did some research
To obtain special leave to appeal to the High Court of Australia, it is necessary to establish not only an error
in the lower courts judgment, but also some special feature of the case which warrants the High Courts
attention. There is no exhaustive list or comprehensive definition of what is special. That is largely to be
gleaned from the High Courts reasons for refusing special leave.
attn: Gaz
Fourteen years in the making, a lot of people have had a hand in the development of Duke Nukem Forever. Many of their names are lost forever. Gearbox Software, which will finally deliver the game in May, wants to credit everyone it can find who had a role in the games creation.
It is our desire to recognise and acknowledge the people who have in some way been a part of the legacy and evolution of the game, said Chris Faylor, the Gearbox community manager. To that end the studios opened a web page where developers, contractors, bigtime fans and community members, even the specialty press, anyone who had any kind of an association with Duke Nukem Forever can describe that role, potentially for use in the games credits.
To obtain special leave to appeal to the High Court of Australia, it is necessary to establish not only an error
in the lower courts judgment, but also some special feature of the case which warrants the High Courts
attention. There is no exhaustive list or comprehensive definition of what is special. That is largely to be
gleaned from the High Courts reasons for refusing special leave.
attn: Gaz
Fourteen years in the making, a lot of people have had a hand in the development of Duke Nukem Forever. Many of their names are lost forever. Gearbox Software, which will finally deliver the game in May, wants to credit everyone it can find who had a role in the games creation.
It is our desire to recognise and acknowledge the people who have in some way been a part of the legacy and evolution of the game, said Chris Faylor, the Gearbox community manager. To that end the studios opened a web page where developers, contractors, bigtime fans and community members, even the specialty press, anyone who had any kind of an association with Duke Nukem Forever can describe that role, potentially for use in the games credits.
codswallop
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Minimal. Most people seem to just walk into a store, and if the price of the game they want seems reasonable, they buy it. Whenever I walk into an EB (and then usually walk out two minutes later, again shocked at the prices, even though I know going in it will be bad), I see scores of kids and teens picking up games eager to buy them at the sticker price.Bernbaum said:
The discounting would usually be from the publisher, so it'd be interesting to hear what their reasons are for releasing at a lower price point on day one. Obviously games like Modern Warfare sell well so they're hardly ever discounted, but games like Price of Persia (the cel-shaded one) weren't popular so plummeted quickly.
BanShunsaku
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Does anyone know what JB is selling de blob 2 for?
Bern when i bought fallout 3 i pricematched jb next door to 88 bucks
then a guy behind me walked in, picked up game, paid 120 no sweat even though he saw me price match
ecogamer is HARD.CORE.
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Legend i will never doubt the AFL again. Gold Coast suns have 10,822 members for season 2011 already.
That's more than most NRL teams!
GWS has 8000+ already!
then a guy behind me walked in, picked up game, paid 120 no sweat even though he saw me price match
ecogamer is HARD.CORE.
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Legend i will never doubt the AFL again. Gold Coast suns have 10,822 members for season 2011 already.
That's more than most NRL teams!
GWS has 8000+ already!
Despite saying I'd wait until I'd cleared out some of the back log before buying de Blob 2, I'm not going to bother. I'll stop off at Target on the way home and pick it up.
The question is, PS3 or Wii? Obviously the PS3 has the graphical edge. I've forgotten whether the first game used the pointer much. I don't have a Move, so that doesn't factor in.
The question is, PS3 or Wii? Obviously the PS3 has the graphical edge. I've forgotten whether the first game used the pointer much. I don't have a Move, so that doesn't factor in.
Choc said:
Gold Coast numbers are very impressive.
A lot of that GWS figure is from Canberra members, so it's a bit misleading. I expect the actual west Sydney numbers to rise quite a lot before they start playing next year, though. There was a lot of support at that NAB Cup game.
viciouskillersquirrel
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I think they also accept gift vouchers, but don't quote me.Gazunta said:
BanShunsaku
Member
Fucking comedians.
I'll make my cheque out to "trendy neckbearded JB monkeys"
Also, this bus smells like wet dog
I'll make my cheque out to "trendy neckbearded JB monkeys"
Also, this bus smells like wet dog
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
Gazunta said:
FormallyMegadrive
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Oh is that what that headline is about? I thought he hanged Christine Nixon.VOOK said:
I thought Ricky Nixon did the slamming?
codswallop said:
My perception, and correct me if Im wrong, is that Joe Beercan buys the expensive video game thing because of that one game he wants to play, and the intial investment in the hardware is for a very limited number of titles. Assuming that is the case, I guess I can understand why forking out $120 for Fallout 3 at launch is not as expensive by comparison. The obsession with price is likely something only associated with gamers who grind through a large number of titles over the year even if its shit thats not their favourite thing in the world or even if theyre fully aware they might not actually play it. The sheer volume of titles consumed by an AusGAF schmuck demands an eye for thriftiness.
Kinda like heroine addiction.
-Deadpool- said:
Im aware internet sales factor in but figured this was largely a practise used by the hardcore, as discussed above, and that the impact would be minimal.
One thing Ive noticed that isnt all that new is an initially cheaper sticker price on launch weekend followed by a mark-up. Best example Enslaved was $90 from the Thursday it went on shelves at JB and went up t0 $100 the following Monday. I have been informed Halo Reach was similar. I picked up Forza 2 the week after launch from Kmart for $50. In the case of Forza, the heavy discount is in order to get arses into stores so they buy a bunch of other and they are capitalising on the initial buzz built around a new release title, but in the case of more specialised stores like JB I believe the undercut price is still turning a profit.
If anything, it looks like retailers are keen to get the new game sold as quick as possible and they are using an incentivised approach what with the pre-order doll for manbabbies and whatnot.
ClivePwned
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Today was a nice day. Got the money owed to me by former employers when the place shut down thanks to the GEERS program (no redundancy but I had two months annual/long service leave). Also- no thanks to my former employer who can get his dick caught in whichever smelly whore's diseased cunt he's banging this week.
I thought getting the cheque would have reduced some of the rage but apparently not.
so now that there are some numbers in front of the zeroes in my bank balance, I need to replace my router with something that does ADSL2+ with internode, works with Macs, plays nice with consoles, a Kindle and an iPads and has a decent wifi range. I've had two Billion routers over the years and they've always worked a treat. What are they like these days?
Anything better that's a router/modem combo?
also- new macbooks tomorrow. what nice timing.
I might even get Killzone 3.
I thought getting the cheque would have reduced some of the rage but apparently not.
so now that there are some numbers in front of the zeroes in my bank balance, I need to replace my router with something that does ADSL2+ with internode, works with Macs, plays nice with consoles, a Kindle and an iPads and has a decent wifi range. I've had two Billion routers over the years and they've always worked a treat. What are they like these days?
Anything better that's a router/modem combo?
also- new macbooks tomorrow. what nice timing.
I might even get Killzone 3.
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