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AusGAF 3.0 - Double the price, region locked and refused classification

Choc

Banned
well then

this will be very very interesting.

EDIT: Serrels if you want to keep an eye on if Nintendo react to this by fining EB if it goes ahead keep an eye on ARNnet.com.au

its likely to appear there. possibly MCV UK as well.
 
VOOK said:
I see one positive from this, delays for games by Nintendo are over. All retailers have to do is import and release, Nintendo has never reacted to importers like this before.
That would be nice but I can't see it happening. If it starts happening for more releases Nintendo Aus will crack the shits and tell them not to import. Do Nintendo see Australia as a big enough market to speed up the localisation process enough to release same day as Euro/US?
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
Phoned a couple of EB games stories (various states) they're all selling tomorrow. No more confirmation needed there folks.

jambo said:
If everyone sells it without Nintendo's permission, what are they going to do?

Reprimand all of them?

Exactly.
 

Choc

Banned
reptilescorpio said:
That would be nice but I can't see it happening. If it starts happening for more releases Nintendo Aus will crack the shits and tell them not to import. Do Nintendo see Australia as a big enough market to speed up the localisation process enough to release same day as Euro/US?

Not sure about you but *coughs in preparation for Sam Jackson voice*

in this country we speak english motherfucker

ie no localization is required
 

Choc

Banned
jambo said:
If everyone sells it without Nintendo's permission, what are they going to do?

Reprimand all of them?


two potential outcomes

1. Nintendo has balls, ships future nintendo games late to EB and fines them

2. Does nothing


Number 1 is the correct course of action if nitnendo doesnt want myer etc on their back
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
Choc said:
two potential outcomes

1. Nintendo has balls, ships future nintendo games late to EB and fines them

2. Does nothing


Number 1 is the correct course of action if nitnendo doesnt want myer etc on their back


You're forgetting Choc, Nintendo might have given them secret permission. That's what I've been told.

markot said:
I rang the EBs too and they said they were just punking Vook >.<

It's not a punk or Nintendo wouldn't have responded to it this way. I have the memo.
 
Choc said:
Not sure about you but *coughs in preparation for Sam Jackson voice*

in this country we speak english motherfucker

ie no localization is required
I meant special "localisation", as in the stuff that keeps us from getting it at the same time. Like an efficient management structure that will get all the paperwork done for release over here rather than be lazy bastards and take their time. Slapping together that new artwork to include our ratings is hard work.
 
VOOK said:
Looks like the Zelda story killed Kotaku...
lulzsec-and-anonymous-join-forces.jpg
LulzSec gotta protect EBGames!
 
Is anyone from AusGAF a gym whore? I took some pre-workout stuff today before my session and holy hell it was crazy. Tingly and itchy all over (ohhhh yeahhh), but lifted about 15% more than I usually do. This stuff can't be good for you :)

Anyone want to recommend some good pre-workout supplements?
 

Clipper

Member
reptilescorpio said:
Yup, from day one it has been looked at as a waste of time. Aside from kids trying to look up incrediweird porn of course. I would expect deviants to have their own IRC setup or something.

Infamous is awesome. Although it has rekindled my cheevo addiction, now in the form of trophies. Anyone use a specific site for them? PS3Trophies.org seems okay, looks like a sister site of x360a.
Yeah, I use ps3trophies.org, generally. However, I typically just Google for "*Game Name* trophy guide" to find one, which almost always finds the ps3trophies.org one anyway. Those sorts of guides have really helped me save some time with some platinums...
Clipper_US.png

Both Infamous games are part of that count now :).
 

MrSerrels

Member
VOOK said:
I got more news coming up ;)

I just did the same thing as you did!

Great minds.

Also after speaking to GAME and JB I've revised my thoughts on how this went down.

1. EB whine to Nintendo about Gametraders. Say, we want to sell early.

2. Nintendo say, go ahead then, see what happens.

3. EB say, fuck it then, we will. We have a leg to stand on here.

4. Nintendo are aware of situation, stand by their release date.

5. Other retailers don't know shit about it. Play it safe by waiting until EB pull the trigger.

I think that's all there is to it really.
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
MrSerrels said:
I just did the same thing as you did!

Great minds.

Also after speaking to GAME and JB I've revised my thoughts on how this went down.

1. EB whine to Nintendo about Gametraders. Say, we want to sell early.

2. Nintendo say, go ahead then, see what happens.

3. EB say, fuck it then, we will. We have a leg to stand on here.

4. Nintendo are aware of situation, stand by their release date.

5. Other retailers don't know shit about it. Play it safe by waiting until EB pull the trigger.

I think that's all there is to it really.

Exactly what I was thinking, EB have the stock already so they can - everyone else is slower and caught with their pants down.
 

MrSerrels

Member
I'm hearing some other things.

Weird shit about Nintendo saying, sure sell it. But don't put it on shelves. Don't advertise it, and only sell if someone asks specifically.

Are there some specific rules about street breaks? Surely once a receipt is issued and another retailer sees it, then it's a free for all and everyone can sell?

Then it's cool to put it on shelves, etc?

This is the weirdest Street break of all time, I can't quite get my head around it...
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
I don't think we've ever had a Nintendo game break street date, least not as far as I can remember. It's always usually HD games. I don't pay much attention to the news about that.

I think EB will cop a fine for this, they'll just take it on the chin. Everyone will be free to sell (and on shelves) if that's the case.

Choc may have more info.
 
So what is the situation with the supply chain? Bookstores cannot order shipments of stock from overseas and must go through Australian suppliers but this does not happen with video game retail?
 

Choc

Banned
Ok i've figured out why this is such a big issue for Nintendo


As we all know EB Games has an exclusive OOT edition with an ocarina. As Vook has reported this was done by EB not Nintendo

HOWEVER

Nintendo would have had to approve the usage of the name, the design of the ocarina and probably had to provide zeldas lullaby and copyright permission on all of it

The Ocarina box is not a nintendo thing its an eb thing.

So EB poured out a lot of capital to get that going. They are now furious that Nintendo has a situation where they can't stop a retailer selling OOT early, thus diminishing their potential return on the Ocarina investment

The commercials around the Ocarina would be interesting. Nintendo would have had to approve it all but no doubt EB would have put conditions on Nintendo. one of those may have been if a street date is broken, its on for all money.

It may also state Nintendo must do everything in its power to ensure the game does not release early. and thus Nintendo has to do somethign rather then ignore it as they usually and all publishers do.

Could be wrong, doubt i am
 

Choc

Banned
reptilescorpio said:
So what is the situation with the supply chain? Bookstores cannot order shipments of stock from overseas and must go through Australian suppliers but this does not happen with video game retail?

Correct

the book industry terrorists believe they are protecting the industry in australia when as borders etc closures show, they are destroying it

The parralell ban on books is the most ridiculous thign around, especially when buyers can just buy online.
 

MrSerrels

Member
Choc said:
Ok i've figured out why this is such a big issue for Nintendo


As we all know EB Games has an exclusive OOT edition with an ocarina. As Vook has reported this was done by EB not Nintendo

HOWEVER

Nintendo would have had to approve the usage of the name, the design of the ocarina and probably had to provide zeldas lullaby and copyright permission on all of it

The Ocarina box is not a nintendo thing its an eb thing.

So EB poured out a lot of capital to get that going. They are now furious that Nintendo has a situation where they can't stop a retailer selling OOT early, thus diminishing their potential return on the Ocarina investment

The commercials around the Ocarina would be interesting. Nintendo would have had to approve it all but no doubt EB would have put conditions on Nintendo. one of those may have been if a street date is broken, its on for all money.

It may also state Nintendo must do everything in its power to ensure the game does not release early. and thus Nintendo has to do somethign rather then ignore it as they usually and all publishers do.

Could be wrong, doubt i am
*salutes choc's deduction abilities.*

Makes absolute perfect sense. You're an angry bastard, but you're also a smart one.
 
Choc said:
Correct
the book industry terrorists believe they are protecting the industry in australia when as borders etc closures show, they are destroying it
The parralell ban on books is the most ridiculous thign around, especially when buyers can just buy online.
How come this never happened with video games retail? Just because it is a new media product?


Choc said:
Nintendo would have had to approve the usage of the name, the design of the ocarina and probably had to provide zeldas lullaby and copyright permission on all of it

So EB poured out a lot of capital to get that going. They are now furious that Nintendo has a situation where they can't stop a retailer selling OOT early, thus diminishing their potential return on the Ocarina investment

The commercials around the Ocarina would be interesting. Nintendo would have had to approve it all but no doubt EB would have put conditions on Nintendo. one of those may have been if a street date is broken, its on for all money.

It may also state Nintendo must do everything in its power to ensure the game does not release early. and thus Nintendo has to do somethign rather then ignore it as they usually and all publishers do.
Wouldn't Nintendo make sure to cover themselves though? Since they have all the rights to Zelda it is hard to imagine them bending over backwards to do everything EBs way when the partnership is so important to both companies. EB would hate to get on their bad side with the Wii U just announced and Nintendo would have had a close eye on how EB were using their brand.

Also with the current popularity of importing games the breaking of street dates would be similar to the stilted release schedule that has happened. A lot of people have already ordered the game from overseas, I even had a few friends ask me to walk them through the process since they wanted OoT so much.
 

Shaneus

Member
Sutton Dagger said:
Is anyone from AusGAF a gym whore? I took some pre-workout stuff today before my session and holy hell it was crazy. Tingly and itchy all over (ohhhh yeahhh), but lifted about 15% more than I usually do. This stuff can't be good for you :)

Anyone want to recommend some good pre-workout supplements?
I started going to the gym yonks ago (stopped shortly after, lulz) and as per everything I'm enthusiastic about for a week, did shitloads of research. Definitely try Jack3d, it seems to be the best. Got me all antsy in the pantsy.
 

Choc

Banned
Rep it almost happened with games. The games industry fought tooth and nail to keep it illegal in 2005 and lost

also in terms of Nintendo and zelda

it may have cost $100,000 for EB to do this ocarina thing. If you are investing that much, to have a business case you need to have rules around it and the commercials (contracts) would be unique to this situation.

Basically EB doesn't put 100k in for Nintendo to just let someone shit all over them.
 

Choc

Banned
Sutton Dagger said:
Actually EB no longer price match if they have extra stuff

Nintendo has a loop hole as well

they could say the ocarina edition can sell but the others cannot as tehy are two different SKUs


would cause a shitstorm though
 
Choc said:
Rep it almost happened with games. The games industry fought tooth and nail to keep it illegal in 2005 and lost

it may have cost $100,000 for EB to do this ocarina thing. If you are investing that much, to have a business case you need to have rules around it and the commercials (contracts) would be unique to this situation.

Basically EB doesn't put 100k in for Nintendo to just let someone shit all over them.
What part of the industry wanted to ban import supply? Very curious. Strange that it hasn't happened much up until this point, with the strong Aussie dollar and more and more UK companies looking to take advantage you would think EB or GAME would have had some pretty tempting offers from overseas suppliers. What are the benefits of staying with local suppliers (other than supporting local business of course)?

What was the story with Harvey Norman not selling Wii stuff back in the day, was that because of a supply complaint?
 

markot

Banned
Witch 'declines' jail for dragging cop with car
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/23/3252013.htm?section=justin

Eilish De Avalon, 41, was pulled over by Senior Constable Andrew Logan in February last year while driving without a licence.

The County Court heard she told him she was "from another world" and Victoria's laws and penalties did not apply to her.

She then drove off while the officer's arm was still in the window.

De Avalon pleaded guilty to recklessly causing serious injury and dangerous driving.

But she told Judge Geoffrey Chettle: "I decline your offer, Your Honour," after he jailed her for two months.

Judge Chettle responded: "You decline my offer? I'm sorry, it's not negotiable."


lol
 

Choc

Banned
reptilescorpio said:
What part of the industry wanted to ban import supply? Very curious. Strange that it hasn't happened much up until this point, with the strong Aussie dollar and more and more UK companies looking to take advantage you would think EB or GAME would have had some pretty tempting offers from overseas suppliers. What are the benefits of staying with local suppliers (other than supporting local business of course)?

What was the story with Harvey Norman not selling Wii stuff back in the day, was that because of a supply complaint?


The publishers :)

I beleive the Wii thing was margin and lack thereof. I can't remember, I used to know the reason HN said no wii.

EB and GAME are looking beyond the current climate. At some point the AU dollar has to drop. Probably not to 50c USD again but quite significantly. Pissing off local publishers is not a good idea.
 

Choc

Banned
markot said:
Also, is the ocarina the main reason Gametraders are doing this with this title?


Yes. I believe GameTraders incorrectly believe Nintendo arranged the Ocarina. Although there was nothing to stop Nintendo from telling EB not to do this, its unfair.
 

Fredescu

Member
Choc said:
I beleive the Wii thing was margin and lack thereof. I can't remember, I used to know the reason HN said no wii.
Wasn't it Gamecube related? HN wanted more margin on the Gamecube, Nintendo declined, and then declined to sell them the Wii initially?
 

Choc

Banned
Fredescu said:
Wasn't it Gamecube related? HN wanted more margin on the Gamecube, Nintendo declined, and then declined to sell them the Wii initially?

Winner winner chicken dinner. That was it.
 

MrSerrels

Member
Choc said:
Yes. I believe GameTraders incorrectly believe Nintendo arranged the Ocarina. Although there was nothing to stop Nintendo from telling EB not to do this, its unfair.
I don't think that's it. It's just opportunistic. It wouldn't be the ocarina deal. Publisher do exclusive stuff with retailers it'll be the cost price GT at paying that's the problem. In fact Mark Langford pretty much confirmed that. They pay more because they can't buy the same amount of stock.

GT probably just saw they could get the Euro version in cheaper and earlier and took the opportunity. I don't think it had anything to do with the ocarina deal.
 
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