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[Yagharek]

As opposed to now, when he's cheered on by many in retirement.

I wasn't talking about retirement retirement. I suspect when Alan Jones finally dies it will be like that nazi in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade where he chooses 'poorly'. He'll probably live until he is 130, supported by a diet of bile and vitriol.

 

[VOOK]

 

[elfinke]

Two They tend to believe everything the media says unlike free thinking young people.

LOL. That sentence got me good.

 

[Choc]

How do you explain Gen Y voting for greens so much if they are not free thinking.....


there is a reason the Green voting is going up with young people

 

[elfinke]

Young Liberals.

That is all. That's why it cracked me up so much.

 

[Choc]

Young Liberals.

That is all. That's why it cracked me up so much.

yes but they are brainwashed self entitled fuckwits who went to private schools, have had no fucking idea what its like to not live in a rich family and are all wankers

 

[Cohsae]

How do you explain Gen Y voting for greens so much if they are not free thinking.....


there is a reason the Green voting is going up with young people

Because they're so alternative and hip.

 

[Yagharek]

Young Liberals.

That is all. That's why it cracked me up so much.

He said young people. Young Liberals only meet the 'young' criteria.

But to be completely honest - I think it's dangerous to ally oneself with any party since they are all compromised by focus groups and minority lobby groups depending on their electorate.

As Bertrand Russell said, you either get an intelligent hypocrite or an honest idiot.

 

[elfinke]

yes but they are brainwashed self entitled fuckwits who went to private schools, have had no fucking idea what its like to not live in a rich family and are all wankers

Many would also tell you that they the epitome of young free thinking radicals kids.

 

[midonnay]

How does Glenn Milne still have credibility after that incident at the walkleys with Stephen Mayne?

 

[Yagharek]

How does Glenn Milne still have credibility after that incident at the walkleys with Stephen Mayne?

A limited gene pool in the Australian news media industry.

 

[Choc]

you should all watch last nights 4 corners

it was on the News of the World shit, amazing documentary.

its on ivew

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

How do you explain Gen Y voting for greens so much if they are not free thinking.....


there is a reason the Green voting is going up with young people

Because they hear about an idea from an attractive member of the opposite sex and immediately think it's a good idea?

Now, don't get me wrong - I agree with a lot of the Green platform, but I wouldn't ever subscribe to some of their more extreme ideas, especially those that are based more on emotionalism than science or practicality.

 

[Jintor]

Fuck their anti-nuclear platform, for instance.

 

[Choc]

Because they hear about an idea from an attractive member of the opposite sex and immediately think it's a good idea?

Now, don't get me wrong - I agree with a lot of the Green platform, but I wouldn't ever subscribe to some of their more extreme ideas, especially those that are based more on emotionalism than science or practicality.

its because the main political parties are so fucking out of touch with young people and the problems they face. So they vote green in protest.

The politicians focus to much on pleasing baby boomers and retirees

thats the problem

lots of thte greens policies are very bad I agree.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

A limited gene pool in the Australian news media industry.

Which is surprising, given just how many young aspiring journos graduate bushy-tailed and starry-eyed from dozens of higher learning institutions all over the country and how 95% of them never end up so much as sniffing a newspaper, news program or magazine.

Seems once you get into the club, you're set.

 

[legend166]

Green voters = free thinking?

lol

 

[Choc]

Green voters = free thinking?

lol

that is not what i meant

 

[Yagharek]

I think the general political trajectory a person's opinion takes down the years is from idealistic towards more conservative. Left leaning politics will tend to appeal to a younger audience, and right leaning to an older one.

Amongst that you get those who either become 'dedicated' to a particular ideology and vote for a given party most of their life, and a smaller group that becomes totally disenfranchised and gives up on voting at all.

I suspect in the current race to the bottom, the latter group will grow considerably. There is absolutely nothing inspiring about anything in the political climate of this country right now.

It'd be nice to see some forward thinking for a change. A space program, encouraging local manufacturing again, promoting intellectual pursuits in non-medical fields ie mathematics or engineering, greater encouragement towards philanthropy in general (but not relying on it).

At the moment, our political debate seems to be framed around electricity prices and investment homes.

edit: and I blame the media for the current political climate equally as much

 

[Fredescu]

Green voters = free thinking?

Voting for a party for reasons other than because their parents did is a step up from your average party devotee.

 

[elfinke]

I think the general political trajectory a person's opinion takes down the years is from idealistic towards more conservative. Left leaning politics will tend to appeal to a younger audience, and right leaning to an older one.

Amongst that you get those who either become 'dedicated' to a particular ideology and vote for a given party most of their life, and a smaller group that becomes totally disenfranchised and gives up on voting at all.

I suspect in the current race to the bottom, the latter group will grow considerably. There is absolutely nothing inspiring about anything in the political climate of this country right now.

It'd be nice to see some forward thinking for a change. A space program, encouraging local manufacturing again, promoting intellectual pursuits in non-medical fields ie mathematics or engineering, greater encouragement towards philanthropy in general (but not relying on it).

At the moment, our political debate seems to be framed around electricity prices and investment homes.

 

[legend166]

Space program might be going a bit too far.

 

[Choc]

 

[jambo]

Myer haven't had any PSPs for months and the PSP game section was half filled with DS games :lol

 

[Yagharek]

Space program might be going a bit too far.

Not far enough. Space exploration is a massive industry driver in all sorts of fields of engineering, software, robotics and as is the flavour of the local economy, towing a single asteroid into low earth orbit would yield a few trillion dollars worth of iron, tin, nickel etc.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

I think the general political trajectory a person's opinion takes down the years is from idealistic towards more conservative. Left leaning politics will tend to appeal to a younger audience, and right leaning to an older one.

Amongst that you get those who either become 'dedicated' to a particular ideology and vote for a given party most of their life, and a smaller group that becomes totally disenfranchised and gives up on voting at all.

I suspect in the current race to the bottom, the latter group will grow considerably. There is absolutely nothing inspiring about anything in the political climate of this country right now.

It'd be nice to see some forward thinking for a change. A space program, encouraging local manufacturing again, promoting intellectual pursuits in non-medical fields ie mathematics or engineering, greater encouragement towards philanthropy in general (but not relying on it).

At the moment, our political debate seems to be framed around electricity prices and investment homes.

edit: and I blame the media for the current political climate equally as much

You tend to start out with less and end up with more. The more you have, the more you want to protect what you have. The less you have, the more you want things to change so that you have more. Which is why the Young Liberals exist.

 

[Yagharek]

Games from 2006 can be retro now?

[/retires]

 

[jambo]

Space program might be going a bit too far.

A space program would be amazing, so much flow on with technology and what not.

 

[Fredescu]

I think the general political trajectory a person's opinion takes down the years is from idealistic towards more conservative. Left leaning politics will tend to appeal to a younger audience, and right leaning to an older one.

"If you're not a socialist at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head"

I think I'm going in the opposite direction. I was a hardcore libertarian type at 20. I guess I have neither heart nor head.

 

[legend166]

I mean, I don't think a space program by Australia is realistic. I'd be all for us teaming up with America and Russia and stuff, but alone?

 

[jambo]

An Oceania program would be awesome, or maybe band together with some Asian countries in a similar setup to the European Space Agency.

 

[choodi]

Myer haven't had any PSPs for months and the PSP game section was half filled with DS games :lol

Thats why I freaked out when I saw they had stock.

Ill update if they cancel my order

 

[Jintor]

It's definitely not realistic, but it is awesome.

 

[Choc]

the biggest problem we have with Australia right now is two things

1) the hung parliament. Abbott can see this government falling over every day of the week so is taking every chance to hammer it and find a way for it to go down. There is zero doubt that without a hung parliament Gillard would have dumpe thompson and Abbott would be letting it go.

2) We have politicians that can't look beyond the next election and just focus on getting re-elected. This has been a problem with Aussie politics for a very long time. Kevin Rudd had the balls to not do this and look where it got him. He was thinking far beyond the next election and for au future with NBN and Education Revolution. It's just a shame that dodgy fuckwits decided to take advantage of the BER.

Not saying i support lib/lab/rudd or whatever but its a major problem we have now made all the more worse by the hung parliament. Wilke coming out and giving Gillard until May to get the pokies legislation through is akin to dictatorship in some ways.

We need an election not to get Abbott in, but to fix the fucking mess that federal parliament is right now. I'd laugh so hard if they had an election and Tony lost.

 

[Omikron]

"If you're not a socialist at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head"

I think I'm going in the opposite direction. I was a hardcore libertarian type at 20. I guess I have neither heart nor head.

We are both in trouble then.

Although I was perhaps always fairly watermelony.

 

[Yagharek]

I mean, I don't think a space program by Australia is realistic. I'd be all for us teaming up with America and Russia and stuff, but alone?

Why would you team up with dying economies?

Seriously though, whilst it's important to work with allies (in the scientific sense of the word) it is also critical to grow domestic intelligence in as many fields as possible. Australian industry and research has a history of innovation and discovery, especially in fields such as science and engineering - but a lot of that talent is still forced overseas.

I think it would be something to be proud of, something that would help to drive technical fields in this country rather than digging holes or selling cheaply renovated homes for vastly inflated prices.

Australia has also been a pioneer in exploration of Antarctica, in astronomy - so why the hell not? IIRC there has also been some important developments towards scramjets in Australia too. That's the kind of stuff that we should be aiming for, as a prelude to gaining a foothold in low Earth orbit and beyond.

 

[Jintor]

Not saying i support lib/lab/rudd or whatever but its a major problem we have now made all the more worse by the hung parliament. Wilke coming out and giving Gillard until May to get the pokies legislation through is akin to dictatorship in some ways.

Woah woah woah woah woah. Taking advantage of a fucked-up political position to push your agenda like a good politician does is dictatorship?

 

[Choc]

Woah woah woah woah woah. Taking advantage of a fucked-up political position to push your agenda like a good politician does is dictatorship?

Well does the electorate want it? I actually don't know the answer to that question. If they don't then in many ways it is.


I dont' mind the pokies thing, nor the plain pack thing.


Not entirely sure that holding the nation to hostage to your agenda because of a fucked up political environment is being a good politician........

 

[legend166]

Why would you team up with dying economies?

Seriously though, whilst it's important to work with allies (in the scientific sense of the word) it is also critical to grow domestic intelligence in as many fields as possible. Australian industry and research has a history of innovation and discovery, especially in fields such as science and engineering - but a lot of that talent is still forced overseas.

I think it would be something to be proud of, something that would help to drive technical fields in this country rather than digging holes or selling cheaply renovated homes for vastly inflated prices.

Australia has also been a pioneer in exploration of Antarctica, in astronomy - so why the hell not? IIRC there has also been some important developments towards scramjets in Australia too. That's the kind of stuff that we should be aiming for, as a prelude to gaining a foothold in low Earth orbit and beyond.

Because there's a lot of things we could put that money into that would still allow us to advance science and engineering, but would provide practical benefits.

See: nuclear power plants, high speed rail, etc.

I just don't think we'd be able to compete in space. We simply don't have the capital to match the large economies.

 

[Fredescu]

the biggest problem we have with Australia right now is two things

1) the hung parliament. Abbott can see this government falling over every day of the week so is taking every chance to hammer it and find a way for it to go down. There is zero doubt that without a hung parliament Gillard would have dumpe thompson and Abbott would be letting it go.

2) We have politicians that can't look beyond the next election and just focus on getting re-elected. This has been a problem with Aussie politics for a very long time. Kevin Rudd had the balls to not do this and look where it got him. He was thinking far beyond the next election and for au future with NBN and Education Revolution. It's just a shame that dodgy fuckwits decided to take advantage of the BER.

I agree with both of these things. The closeness of the result just made all the bullshit point scoring much worse. Pollytics called this not long after the election last year: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2010/09/08/let-the-great-unhinging-begin/

I think 1 leads to 2 in a lot of ways. You can think a bit further ahead if you're confident in getting a couple of terms. Rudd won by a long way so had the ability to make some long term policy. Then he made a couple of backflips which fucked his approval rating.

Well does the electorate want it? I actually don't know the answer to that question. If they don't then in many ways it is.

They do actually.

 

[Jintor]

Well the way the system is set up, if his electorate didn't want it, they wouldn't have voted him in. (This system is stupid).

 

[Choc]

Well the way the system is set up, if his electorate didn't want it, they wouldn't have voted him in. (This system is stupid).

the electorate being the country jintor. Did he even take pokies changes to his own electorate, probably not.

he is a independent from Tasmania, a small state of Australia.

Holding now 21 million people to ransom over this pokies shit. If he doesn't get what he wants, AU wont have a government..... and a new election happens.

 

[Fredescu]

Holding now 21 million people to ransom over this pokies shit. If he doesn't get what he wants, AU wont have a government..... and a new election happens.

Most polls are 60-70% in favour of the reform. So who's holding up what now?

 

[Yagharek]

the electorate being the country jintor. Did he even take pokies changes to his own electorate, probably not.

Actually, he did.

he is a independent from Tasmania, a small state of Australia.

So small states dont get a say, is that right? What was that about dictatorships, choc?

 

[Choc]

Most polls are 60-70% in favour of the reform. So who's holding up what now?

Fred i guess my point is, lets say it wasn't the pokies thing, it was something else that people did not want but he did.


The pokies thing, i agree with as i said. but a politician holding a government to ransom is not a good thing.

edit: i wasn't saying Tasmania does not get a say, it would be the same as a NSW independant or Vic etc

my point is 1 person does not represent the entire nation. In the pokies case he seems to have got it right, but in other times he may not.

 

[elfinke]

the electorate being the country jintor. Did he even take pokies changes to his own electorate, probably not.

he is a independent from Tasmania, a small state of Australia.

Holding now 21 million people to ransom over this pokies shit. If he doesn't get what he wants, AU wont have a government..... and a new election happens.

Then everyone, Wilkie included, loses. He won't get a pokie deal under a coalition government that would form without the need for the Independents, and that assumes Wilkie would be returned to his seat in a new election, which would necessarily include him electioneering on his pokie reform.

If a new election was called, and Abbott voted in, this will be my first port of call. Yes, you can hold me to that (lol).

 

[Fredescu]

Fred i guess my point is, lets say it wasn't the pokies thing, it was something else that people did not want but he did.


The pokies thing, i agree with as i said. but a politician holding a government to ransom is not a good thing.

It's not like this is a new issue, they formed government on the basis of agreeing with his pokie reforms. This is entirely Labor's fault.

 

[markot]

The pokies thing makes me ill >_< people seem to be willing to turn a blind eye to all the 'sporting clubs' and crap being funded by people with gambling problems.... sickening.

 

[Choc]

It's not like this is a new issue, they formed government on the basis of agreeing with his pokie reforms. This is entirely Labor's fault.

this is true.

 

[Choc]

The pokies thing makes me ill >_< people seem to be willing to turn a blind eye to all the 'sporting clubs' and crap being funded by people with gambling problems.... sickening.

couldn't agree more. If you can't make money without misery (cigerrettes and problem gambling) than your business isnt very good.