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Shaneus

Member
AusGAF. I'm cleaning. Are either of my RB1 or GH2 360 guitars worth anything or should I just chuck them? I have the Logitech 360 one which is the shit so I have no need for these. Of course, if anyone here wants either, free to pick up or can be shipped or whatevs. Otherwise, dey is getting chucked.

Unless anyone can think of any good PC games that would utilise wired guitars easily enough?
 
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Deleted member 30609

Unconfirmed Member
Just started watching the Sopranos. I finished the second episode of season two, and man, it's really starting to hit its stride. Entertaining first season, let's hope season two can keep up the pace it's set so far.
 
OH MY GOD

When does Entourage fall off, if it does ?
End of Season 4 once Eric gets another client. The whole season is a bit iffy for me. Basically when Medellin started up production. Doesn't get unwatchable but it does get boring in Season 5.

AusGAF. I'm cleaning. Are either of my RB1 or GH2 360 guitars worth anything or should I just chuck them?
Pawn shop dude. Even $10 each is better than nothing.

Bro you haven't got a coupon which says 50% off delvedeeper, a 1.24 game.
I would say that crafting 7 coal and getting Portal 1 is worse than anything since it has been free so many times and everyone already has a copy.
 

Kritz

Banned
My good deed for the day was to take my entire server / client code for my game and paste it on the first result on google for "how to make multiplayer games" (though the forums and shit require moderator approval for posts).

It would make me happy to know I have inspired tens of... tens of script kiddies to make terrible multiplayer flash games without using any comments or any proper protcol communication at all.

In other news, my game is coming along nicely. I have made it so each client can control a single ball, and move it around the screen. Other clients see the ball move. My next goal is to make the balls be able to shoot at each other, because that sounds cool.
 
AusGAF. I'm cleaning. Are either of my RB1 or GH2 360 guitars worth anything or should I just chuck them? I have the Logitech 360 one which is the shit so I have no need for these. Of course, if anyone here wants either, free to pick up or can be shipped or whatevs. Otherwise, dey is getting chucked.

Unless anyone can think of any good PC games that would utilise wired guitars easily enough?

Was playing guitar hero at a mates house the other week for the first time in years and it got me keen to play rockband. (never played it)

Jumped on the Internet and looked around and they appear to still sell the games new but not the accessories and theyre not that cheap on eBay either.

So I am potentially interested.
You too cod.

I live on the NSW central coast FYI so no pickup for me!
 
So I just got back from spending a week with the in-laws in Melbourne. Got back and found out that an old friend from church got engaged and married in the time I was away to a guy she's known all of four months. It was funny hearing my Mum try and rationalise the behaviour, because nobody who's religious could possibly make irresponsible or arbitrary decisions.

What'd I miss?
 

Jintor

Member
Help me out here AusGAF. Can any of you guys recall a PSN or WiiWare title that did not come to Australia because of the cost of classification?
 

Rezbit

Member
I don't mean to sound crass but when religious people get married that quickly it'd usually be because they want to have sex, right?
 
So Renegade Ops is pretty damn cool, even kept playing it after getting the cheevo!
Cheevo gave me coal. :(

I know Shantae never came out on DSiWare for that reason, same with Cave Story. I am unsure about WiiWare or PSN though.
Probably some titles that never even made it that far because of the costs to get onto PSN in the first place. Well, that is what I learnt from Game Dev Story anyway!

I don't mean to sound crass but when religious people get married that quickly it'd usually be because they want to have sex, right?
I know an insanely hot chick at uni who was very Christian who wanted to find their soul mate as soon as possible because she was desperate to start having sex. She had done everything else though, so that would have made the compulsion that much stronger.
That which you cannot have makes you want it oh so much more.

C64 games on Wii VC? Go go kopolo on dsi ware.
Well dang, this interview makes me want to go out and grab a 3DS to give it a go, sounds awesome. Tiny bit in here about the ratings/translation process, not related to Australia though.
 

legend166

Member
AusGAF. I'm cleaning. Are either of my RB1 or GH2 360 guitars worth anything or should I just chuck them? I have the Logitech 360 one which is the shit so I have no need for these. Of course, if anyone here wants either, free to pick up or can be shipped or whatevs. Otherwise, dey is getting chucked.

Unless anyone can think of any good PC games that would utilise wired guitars easily enough?

Dude where do you live? One of our 360 guitars is busted. Wouldn't mind another one.
 

Shaneus

Member
I.. I think... I think I am going to pre-order the Max Payne 3 CE. I know I will spend my time crying myself through the game and hating myself for supporting it but I can't help myself. I am weak. Even the statue looks fucking horrible but I WANT it.
It will be the only game where you can download a patch to *decrease* the number of polys and texture resolution.

I WANT THAT MAX PAYNE IP IN REMEDY HANDS! Alan Wake may have been a huge mess in my opinion but they still have the potential to make great games, even AL2 looks interesting enough to bring me back on their side (not to buy it lol). I just love the IP and want more James McCaffrey and more Max, even if it could turn out to be not what I want. Plus Rockstar make some good games. They have improved since GTA4.
Here's a mind freak: Remedy actually used to be legendary PC demosceners Future Crew. My favourites were Panic (keep in mind, around 1.5mb running on a 486), Second Reality and Unreal. Amazing considering none of these guys were in the games industry at the time, yet (technically) blowing away 90% of game devs on PC at the time. Love the tracker music too, just... ugh, so amazing. FWIW, Jesper Kyd (Hitman and Subterrania music, amongst others) was also a scener, but not with Future Crew.
Edit: You can hear the beginnings of some of the music in a home video here. Who'd have thought that (basically) that room of Finnish nerds would go on to create some of the best PC games ever? Death Rally was their first major release, afaik. Fuck, watching that home video, none of them could be older than 20! Then again, all Finnish look young. But going by the date on that vid and his wikipedia, Skaven (I guess the blonde-haired dude) is 19. Fuuuuuuck.

Roosters: Probably wouldn't be worth the cost to ship, TBH. Surprised you can't get one in a cashies somewhere. Actually, shit, just remembered I have a third guitar that came with GHWT but I had to replace the switches on it and the strum bar hasn't quite been the same since. If you are keen and can be bothered sussing out a shipping price on your own, I'd be happy to oblige. Would just need to find a box oddly-shaped enough to send it in.

So Renegade Ops is pretty damn cool, even kept playing it after getting the cheevo!
Cheevo gave me coal. :(
I remember having a preorder for that before the release date was pushed back so. many. fucking. times. and getting so pissed off with it that by the time it came out (I never noticed the exact day, just that all of a sudden it was up for preorder) I never got around to playing it.

I know an insanely hot chick at uni who was very Christian who wanted to find their soul mate as soon as possible because she was desperate to start having sex. She had done everything else though, so that would have made the compulsion that much stronger.
That which you cannot have makes you want it oh so much more.
Yeah, like that nun porn. Right?
RIGHT?!?
 

Choc

Banned
Not that I know of. Maybe Shantae and Cave Story? It's never been stated outright.

actually VKS that is the exact reason Shantae didnt come here. I cant remember where i read it though but that was the direct reason. Do some digging Jint you will find it. PSN is an interesting one because Sony generally if something is going onto PSN aid with the classification cost (and MS on the flipside). If you self publish on PSN or Live its your problem but no one has self published i dont think? Else its the publishers problem.

Nintendo are the only ones that do not.

Its the classification system denying us Indie games XBL though, thats for sure. And that is directly attributed to the cost.

also Jintor do you have the costs of classification? if not i can help you out with that.
 

Jintor

Member
Yeah, the costs are right up there on the website, and there's mounds of stuff in the ALRC Review relating to that. I just need more specific game examples.

I'll send you round an abstract of my background research if you'd like?
 

Yagharek

Member
How come phone games get a free pass from classification? Is it a voluntary process, and the only reason console downloads need it due to the platform holder?
 
Here's a mind freak: Remedy actually used to be legendary PC demosceners

I remember having a preorder for that before the release date was pushed back so. many. fucking. times. and getting so pissed off with it that by the time it came out (I never noticed the exact day, just that all of a sudden it was up for preorder) I never got around to playing it.


Yeah, like that nun porn. Right?
RIGHT?!?

Yep, Remedy also split off into Futuremark back when they were still relevant. Remedy released Final Reality before that side of the business was spun into Futuremark and the rest of the team went on to do Death Rally. And then Futuremark got into games to which was an interesting choice, mainly for the use of the name I suppose.
Man Second Reality blew my mind back in the day
Also mindblowing is that they released Death Rally in 1996, took 5 years to do Max Payne and then turned around Max Payne 2 in only 2 years with the ground work already done. It then took 7 YEARS to get Alan Wake. 7 years for that. I sure do pick games to drool over in Max Payne 2 and Half Life 2, just a sucker for punishment.

Got it by trading 8 coals and a voucher. Totally worth it. Only great thing I have gotten out of the inventory stuff but I am happy now.

Nun porn doesn't really do it for me. My vote is no clothes on or go home.
 

Jintor

Member
Technically speaking they don't yet. It's tabled for the next revision of the Classification Act though. As a practical matter, there's just too many games on the app store with far too many garage developers to be reasonably reviewed.

Classification is technically speaking voluntary (in that the Act does not require the Government to actively seek out and classify content), but it is de-facto mandatory for commercial products because unclassified games cannot be sold within Australian jurisdiction.
 

trinest

Member
Going back to the Zavvi sale, Rayman Origins is the fricken bomb. Played it multi with various kids around the nabourhood we were entertainig for Xmas, and its pretty fun multi. Otherwise its awesome graphics and sound.
 

Yagharek

Member
Technically speaking they don't yet. It's tabled for the next revision of the Classification Act though. As a practical matter, there's just too many games on the app store with far too many garage developers to be reasonably reviewed.

Classification is technically speaking voluntary (in that the Act does not require the Government to actively seek out and classify content), but it is de-facto mandatory for commercial products because unclassified games cannot be sold within Australian jurisdiction.

Fair enough. Seems like another case of legislation lagging behind. Sucks that it results in an uneven playing field for all other digital platforms.
 
I don't mean to sound crass but when religious people get married that quickly it'd usually be because they want to have sex, right?

One of my friends from high school got married about a week after she turned 18. Staunchly Catholic, and they both still live with their parents. Why else would they get married at that age? I wouldn't consider it until I could live with my partner, at least...
 
Well dang. Just read that Rockstar aren't bringing back Tim Gibbs to do the motion capture for Max Payne 3, going to use McCaffrey for BOTH voice and appearance. I thought Max looked a little off. Don't get me wrong, big McCaffrey fan over here, loved his appearance on Sex & the City, but Gibbs is the Max that I remember and loved. Would be just as annoying if they got Gibbs to do both.
I mean look at the guy! He just oozes Max Payne! Not to meantion the fact he could play Lumberjack Alan Wake in American Nightmare!
 

VOOK

We don't know why he keeps buying PAL, either.
Help me out here AusGAF. Can any of you guys recall a PSN or WiiWare title that did not come to Australia because of the cost of classification?

Couldn't name a WiiWare title specfically, but theres at least 30 of them.
 

Jintor

Member
Names would be good. I think I'm done with my preliminary research phase. Well, except I still have to comb through the ALRC and the Senate Committee reports on the National Classification Scheme...
 
oh guys lotr war in the north went on sale. now its only 50 bucks.
what a saving.

edit: oh what. thats weird. you get an extra 4 hours to get yesterdays deals.
 

Choc

Banned
Yeah, the costs are right up there on the website, and there's mounds of stuff in the ALRC Review relating to that. I just need more specific game examples.

I'll send you round an abstract of my background research if you'd like?

if you want to. I'll see if i can help out in anyway.

Is the MA15+ cost on the site because tahts when shit gets scary expensive. Having to show the board a game start to finish can get pricey
 

Choc

Banned
How come phone games get a free pass from classification? Is it a voluntary process, and the only reason console downloads need it due to the platform holder?

Digital Only

The only reason Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony send games for review that are digital is

1. to keep on side with the COB and to be seen to do the right thing (and make the parental lockout actually useful)

2. Because every so often the digital games get a retail release in a pack.

Digital only is excluded from the COB due to a loophole. Basically the Act hasn't changed since 1996 and has not kept with the times.

Phone games will always get a free ride (and in fact is leading the charge for hte industry to be self regulated to an extent except when complaints arise) because there is so many of them.

If phone games lead to self regulation here, then we can thank phone games for fixing up a major fuckup of a system we have now.

the ALRC is going to reccomend self regulation in its next review.
 

Choc

Banned
for what its worth those billions of small games you buy on steam? yep not classified


do not hope that digital gets included under COB as the costs will deny us lots of small gems like that we see on steam.
 
Evilore toiled for hours getting that plus button to work Choc. For shame.

Shogun 2 is $7.50 at GamersGate as well as the US Steam store.

Also Infamous Festival of Blood is $8.45 on the PSN!
 

Fusebox

Banned
Dude where do you live? One of our 360 guitars is busted. Wouldn't mind another one.

Shaneus is in Melbourne, but I think I've got the Explorer shape one for 360 floating around somewhere and you can have that if you want it. I'll go down and check the garage later.
 

Shaneus

Member
Dude where do you live? One of our 360 guitars is busted. Wouldn't mind another one.
Fusebox is right... Geelong/Melbourne. The Xplorer one is still surprisingly good to use but I just have no use for it right now. Happy to post, but like I mentioned to... someone else?... that the cost of shipping probably wouldn't make it worth it.
 

Jintor

Member
Is there already a website which sucks up time played from Steam and displays it on an account-by-account basis in the same manner of the steamprices or yoursteamaccountisworth sites?
 
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