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Nope just ARM, Intel early next year (jan/feb).
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shanshan310
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Hmm. How so? I can't see any crazy nanny stating, even if there is a lot of crazy talk.
I don't think I'll ever understand how twitter works.
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RE6 is an embarrassment for everyone involved.
Aw, I have to install Java >_<
alcohol is probably the best example. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be controlled but look at Europe.
We have major violence around alcohol in australia because personally i think we treat it like this drink thats better than it is
we tax it high (probably due to the violent consequences generally)
we restrict where it can be drunk and at what times (generally this is ok but potentially part of the problem)
We keep telling kids its a very bad thing, making them want it even more thus leading to teenage binging
I think the highly restricted nature of the product makes people think when they go out on the weekend they have to make the most of it
In teh UK and europe you can buy beer in corner stores, supermarkets, food courts and in general they don't have the problems we have with it
Why? Personally I believe because its not seen as such a big fucking deal over there. It's a drink, you drink it if you like it. Done.
In aus its like this magical fucking substance that teenagers think is so cool and awesome because its so restricted.
Sometimes you can restrict something to much and lead to consequences unintended. (this is the argument the ciggy companies are using with black market for example, which i do not agree with). I think alcohol may be just one of those things
It will never change because no politician has the guts or brains to realise that by making something seem so bad, and so restricted, people want it more and binge on it when they get it, especially during the years humans think they are invincible (Teenage years)
Anyone that has never been to Europe cannot say AU isn't heading down a major nanny state path. I used to think that, then i went to Europe and realised AU society is fairly restricted in what it does and when.
The UK has crazy problems with Alcohol >.>
I don't know about the rest of Europe, but drunken louts are a huge problem in the UK.
Edit: Beat like a step child.
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Im not talking about the UK as a major point. I know the UK has a big problem around alcohol as well but again they restrict it more than mainland europe.
The more you restrict something, the more humans want it. The exact same argument is being put forward right now over cannibus by the experts saying it should be decriminilised and controlled.
The citation is ive been there rez and experienced the different way of life. In the papers in the UK i didnt read about some poor kid being bashed on regent street in London after a night out like we get almost every night in Sydney due to alcohol
another one
girls not allowed to do gymnastics in the school playground anymore. Kids not allowed to play sport at lunch in case they injure themselves. Its just ridiculous.
http://inner-west-courier.whereiliv...mmoyne-public-school-bans-student-handstands/
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no ball games @ school
http://www.coffscoastindependent.com.au/story/335369/afl-slams-school-ball-sports-ban/?cs=12
edit3: and everyone running to the government every 5 fucking seconds to legislate what is in fact, common sense.
The more you restrict something, the more humans want it. The exact same argument is being put forward right now over cannibus by the experts saying it should be decriminilised and controlled.
The citation is ive been there rez and experienced the different way of life. In the papers in the UK i didnt read about some poor kid being bashed on regent street in London after a night out like we get almost every night in Sydney due to alcohol
another one
girls not allowed to do gymnastics in the school playground anymore. Kids not allowed to play sport at lunch in case they injure themselves. Its just ridiculous.
http://inner-west-courier.whereiliv...mmoyne-public-school-bans-student-handstands/
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no ball games @ school
http://www.coffscoastindependent.com.au/story/335369/afl-slams-school-ball-sports-ban/?cs=12
edit3: and everyone running to the government every 5 fucking seconds to legislate what is in fact, common sense.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I don't think Australia's alcohol problem has much to do with how restricted it is, or a perceived glorification due to restriction, but instead a general cultural glorification of reckless drinking with little to no understanding or care for the potential consequences. If anything the laid back approach to drinking is more of a problem. Having grown up in a country town, the ambivalence and ignorance towards the consumption of alcohol and the effect it has on your body is startling.
shanshan310
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I think most places do really. We aren't really unique in that respect. I do agree that the tax really isn't working the way it was supposed to. Higher taxes aren't going to stop people drinking, especially not if you make the taxes for premixed drinks even higher (im pretty sure that was the only time Steve Fielding has been the most sensible man in the room). People with drinking problems are going to fork out as much money as they have to. I'm sure the government knows this, but no one wants to look like a fool.
reptilescorpio
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LEAVE ALCOHOL ALONE! 
None of those are rules made by the state, they're things those individual schools have done. Nothing at all to do with a "nanny state".
shanshan310
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Make alcohol cheaper! $8.50 for one standard vodka cruiser just ain't right man.LEAVE ALCOHOL ALONE!
Sweet. I really want a Pro model, but if the pricing rumours are true I might pick up one of the ARM ones.
LEAVE ALCOHOL ALONE!
Why? It's one of the worst drugs in terms of physical and social damage, yet it is legal whilst things like marijuana and ecstasy are not.
the rules are being made by an authority that makes decisions for its civilization base. The school is a government of its own....
and it only takes 1 whinging parent at another school for it to spread.
and the governments should have the balls to tell schools they cannot do it. The governments control the schools don't forget.
Child obesity epidemic? Lets ban sport.
Doncamatic
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That being said, I do think that the approach to alcohol is better in say Germany than it is in Australia. There beer is available from 16 onwards without parental supervision (14 onwards with supervision). From what I gather from friends that live there, the focus is more on teaching kids to make smart and informed decisions about alcohol rather then building it up to in their minds through actively restricting access.
Not sure how well such a system could work in Aus as we do have a different drinking culture, but over time such an approach would no doubt change the culture.
This is my view, it's not something that regulatory measures can change; it's a general cultural attitude that's Australia's problem.
Shutup you bloody unAustralian poofter!
shanshan310
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we just need to create better education and attitudes surrounding alcohol. But since that already seems like it's too out there, I doubt we'd ever have a government take any kind of steps to limit damage other than hurr durr taxes will fix everything.
This is the longest fucking bow draw I've ever seen. Rules made by organisations which you join voluntarily have nothing to do with any nanny state.
"Nanny state" is really just a bullshit political term used by libertarians and the far right to decry regulation as such. We should all be free from the tyranny of road rules and use by dates! Fight the power!
so you guys are saying the fact you can't buy a beer with your lunch and in general you have to make an effort to go out and go to a specific place to drink doesn't mean that you over consume because you can't freely get it usually?
It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that it contributes
It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that it contributes
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Get fucked Karmichael Hunt.
shanshan310
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People don't drink more because they can't drink at lunch. People drink more because they want to feel the effects of alcohol more.
Hey, we got people to wear seatbelts didn't we?
Parents join schools voluntarily? Not sure if you know this fred but due to population boom you cannot send your kids to out of area anymore in general, it all gets rejected.
You go to the local school if the local school are karmichael hunts, tough, unless you want to pay a lot of money for a private
Do you honestly think the Government SHOULD NOT have the power to tell a school where to go with some of these regulations? especially state schools? of course they should.
The government is the one paying for the obesity epidemic in children, they should have wide ranging powers including telling a school that bans sport where to go to try and fix it.
YesNOnoNOYes
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I just came back from Thailand, and a bottle of beer there was $2. I had beer like I never had beers before.
And then............ back to Melbourne's winter.
(looks like spring weather is around the corner though. cross finggah~)
And then............ back to Melbourne's winter.
(looks like spring weather is around the corner though. cross finggah~)
AND STACKHATS
Remember, Heroes wear helmets
Also while I am on a trip down memory lane, lets go cruisin' with spokey dokeys
Generally not to public schools, but easily to private schools. In extreme circumstances you could move your kid to a different public school if you complain enough. Pretending any of this is widespread though Choc is just looney tunes territory. You're off the deep end here with this nanny state crap. I don't think you realise just how Campbell Newman the whole idea is.
shanshan310
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Oh the memories;.; I miss my wheel spokes.
If you're not careful I'll shunt you in the munt funter!
This is how inconsistent you are Choc. Many people would say that the government mandating what individual schools can and can't do is the very definition of a nanny state! So you think the government should have more control, not less! Which is fine if you weren't arguing the exact opposite on the same page! I'm running out of exclamation marks!
No, it's like telling a cat not to be a dog. Pointless because a cat is already not a dog!
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Basically, don't use "nanny state" when not referring to the state. And I don't mean, like, NSW, I mean "the government".
reptilescorpio
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Damn it guys I am trying to cut down my alcohol intake, stop making me think about beer!
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