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Seems like Uncharted 3 is suffering the usual GAFism of being lauded at release and later reviled. I haven't played any of the series but if the game was truly as bad as you say, why did you play it through to the end?
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Seems like Uncharted 3 is suffering the usual GAFism of being lauded at release and later reviled. I haven't played any of the series but if the game was truly as bad as you say, why did you play it through to the end?

I dunno, the response to Uncharted 3 at launch seemed pretty mixed to me. I mean, GAF hate is GAF hate and yes it has gotten worse (as it always does with every big game). But compared to Uncharted 2, which was buzzing for months right after launch, there were a lot of people expressing disappointment with Uncharted 3.

I don't think it's a bad game, but I do think it is far weaker in almost all respects than Uncharted 2, and I still believe Naughty Dog has much to learn in the realm of third person shooters.
 

Yagharek

Member
Seems like Uncharted 3 is suffering the usual GAFism of being lauded at release and later reviled. I haven't played any of the series but if the game was truly as bad as you say, why did you play it through to the end?

Because I paid money for it. I wont deny it had some good sections. The horseback bits were great. The puzzle solving bits were great. But the shooting, desert, hallucination and escape sequences were really really rough. But as Ive said already, some people are completely capable of making up their own minds. No-one told me to dislike the game, that was all the result of the developers' end product.

You're probably right. It was an observation based on my experience with your posts, it's not really a big deal. It just seems like you're incredibly negative towards games that aren't a Nintendo platform...

*shrug*

So you want a list then, and until you do you're happy to passively throw out the fanboy label. Pretty pathetic line to take over something you have no issue over.

Completely unrelated but you know what shits me? When people use this phrase in reference to rugby. That is the point of the game. Find a better phrase bell end

I feel the same when people call it football.
 

jambo

Member
Borderlands 2 is so good! Only on level 18 or so, going solo at the moment because of online issues, but the game is so much more fleshed out than BL1 so the solo experience is great.

Also I bought TL2, it's crazy awesome value for $20
 
So you want a list then, and until you do you're happy to passively throw out the fanboy label. Pretty pathetic line to take over something you have no issue over.

As I said, you say you aren't negative towards only non-Nintendo games, that's fine. It really isn't a big deal, it was just an observation (that I said I must have been wrong about). Carry on.
 

Rezbit

Member
You're probably right. It was an observation based on my experience with your posts, it's not really a big deal. It just seems like you're incredibly negative towards games that aren't a Nintendo platform...

*shrug*

Lol, this is like "No offense, but..."

EDIT: Oh snap.

Okay, "With all due respect..."

Also I bought TL2, it's crazy awesome value for $20

How much was it in 4-pack? I feel like a goose for not hopping on that gravy train.
 
In my opinion Torchlight 2 feels like the true Diablo 3. Diablo 3 (and I only played the beta) just felt utterly dull where I enjoyed every minute of the Torchlight 2 beta.

Which is why I bought Torchlight 2. I nearly passed on the beta too, since I found Diablo 3 so dull and didn't care at all for the Torchlight demo on 360.

I dunno, the response to Uncharted 3 at launch seemed pretty mixed to me.
Since I don't own a PS3 I wasn't following it, but I recall the only real negative discussion at the time to be around the aiming, which some people hated and others didn't have a problem with. Most seemed pretty happy with it.

Because I paid money for it. I wont deny it had some good sections. The horseback bits were great. The puzzle solving bits were great. But the shooting, desert, hallucination and escape sequences were really really rough.
I do know the feeling of being compelled to slog through a game you've paid good money for, but if you finished it in the first couple of weeks after purchase it must have been enjoyable enough that you didn't set it aside for months.
 
I was crouched behind cover, lining up a sniper with my own rifle. Another enemy spawns behind me, approaches, and the game FORCES drake out of cover in order to fight him. Literally dragged into a fight against my will like a magnet at a scrapyard. I was happy to keep shooting the sniper then take on the new dude, as a good game like Metal Gear Solid 3 or Splinter Cell or Halo or Uncharted 2 would have let me do, but Uncharted 3 had other ideas.

It was a frequent and frustrating design flaw. A fundamentally broken design choice.
If that was your experience than I can understand being annoyed at the game in the few instances that happens. I can't say it happened to me as I actually remember being attacked from the side once or twice when taking too long to sight up an enemy when first entering a room. I don't recall any enemies spawning behind me either to be honest, I last replayed it back in May so I can't be sure anyway. I certainly don't recall losing control of Drake at any stage other than when an enemy is running directly at my front and is about 2-3 feet away, Drake goes into the melee pose, but most of the time I didn't have an issue blindfiring whatever gun I had into their midsection if I was underfire from others, worked pretty well.

I dunno, the response to Uncharted 3 at launch seemed pretty mixed to me. I mean, GAF hate is GAF hate and yes it has gotten worse (as it always does with every big game). But compared to Uncharted 2, which was buzzing for months right after launch, there were a lot of people expressing disappointment with Uncharted 3.

I don't think it's a bad game, but I do think it is far weaker in almost all respects than Uncharted 2, and I still believe Naughty Dog has much to learn in the realm of third person shooters.
It was because Uncharted was a very good game on a platform with fuck all owners.
Uncharted 2 came out and was amazing and blew away any expected hype from the solid first game and now there were a lot more PS3 owners out there. Those that played the first game would have been keen to jump into UC2 (like me with the CE).
Uncharted 3 had the hype levels at maximum because of how acclaimed the second game was. It was never going to live up to the hype and I was well aware of that, maybe it is why I didn't take it as such an insult that it wasn't a perfect game.

Also they are going the right way with Last of Us, they should be third person adventure games with some shooting. I don't want it to go futher into Gears territory, if I want to play that style of cover shooter I will go buy Gears 3 for $20.

Not bad. $20 still seems like pretty good value though. Anyone care to weigh in, better or worse than D3?
$20 is a great price. Feels like a massive warm hug down the lines of Diablo 2. Certainly feels a LOT like the Diablo 1-> Diablo 2 step up. Loving the hell out of it even though I haven't been able to spend much time on it.
 

Kritz

Banned
The reason I hate group work in University:
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My team thought it would be a good idea to quote three paragraphs of Wikipedia in a project document. :\
 

hamchan

Member
Not bad. $20 still seems like pretty good value though. Anyone care to weigh in, better or worse than D3?

It's pretty much Diablo 2. You can start on hard unlike launch Diablo 3, which is good. Loot drops seem more generous because there's no auction house tying them down. Story is just as bad as D3 and it just dumps you in, so I have no idea what is happening. UI looks cheap and not as pretty as D3, which is fair because it's a cheap game.
 

Yagharek

Member
To be serious here, when someone labels another a fanboy on a gaming forum, that's usually a pretty hostile accusation and an annoying one as its basically an equivalent to "talk to the hand" discussion stoppers.

It's irritating, bad manners and generally comes from people who have nothing useful to say on a given topic. If you want a good example, look at this thread and the first reply. It's stupid.

I may as well entertain you though and go through a list of non-Nintendo platform games I loved this generation.

Vanquish, Pixeljunk Monsters, Pixeljunk Shooter, WipEout HD, Wipeout Pure, Wipeout Pulse, Orange Box, Portal 2, Batman Arkham Asylum, Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, Uncharted 2, Halo Reach, Call of Duty 2, Geometry Wars 2, Valkyria Chronicles, Lumines, Everybody's Golf World Tour, Pac Man Championship Edition, Virtua Fighter 5, PES 2009, Rainbow Six Vegas, Colin McRae Dirt, Splinter Cell Conviction, Bioshock minus the cliche ending, Rockstar Table Tennis, Elefunk, Prey, Outrun 2 online, Marble Blast Ultra, Outpost Kaloki X, Worms HD, Flower and thats what comes to mind immediately.

Guilty as charged.
 
Oh man now I really want to play Prey when I get home. It was bad, but in that awesome terribad way with some really cool shit going on but enough terrible design decisions to make you wonder what if.

Which also reminds me how fucking awesome Prey 2 looked.
Looked. :(
 

senahorse

Member
I liked Prey, but there are only two moments I really remember of the game.

The intro, the whole thing. Anyone intro that can combine the blue oyster cult, and horror gets a thumbs up in my book. Also the bit where you were shrunk down to run around on that mini planet, that was cool.
 
The karmichael hunt doors were pretty snassy, looked very next gen on the 360 (especially compared to stuff like PD0 :/). Oh! Also the big story moment half way through was reallly well done too. Really well executed. Loved the hell out of it.

It was an impressive effort by Human Head, with it under the belt I thought they would go on to have a Rocksteady style run but they obviously signed themselves into shit with Bethesda for all the years since.
 

Kritz

Banned
:/

Did you find it before it had been submitted?

Yes. I even tried to cause a stink about it but was outnumbered. The girl who put it in sent our document to her father to get his opinion. He though that we needed to describe what geocaching was. I can't argue against... a group member's father, I guess.

I wasn't the one submitting it anyway so it's not like I could have sniped it at the last second.

--

The moment in prey where you go through a little box with a portal in it was my first "OH MY GOD NEXT GENERATION" feeling I'd had on the 360.
 

senahorse

Member
I loathed group work at uni, at the start of each unit I would request that I do the project on my own which got the OK 50% of the time. There is nothing worse than being with a bunch of slack assholes, and then having to put in a load of extra effort to get good marks, only to have the lazy pricks cruise through (getting the same marks) with little to no effort.
 
Best thing about doing my last few units off-campus is that every group assignment can be done individually now. Which also means I can leave the whole thing until the last minute.

:)

Avoids a lot of fucking around and making sure I find people that actually want a good mark and want to contribute though, which involves a lot more luck than anything else.
 

markot

Banned
Compulsary voting may be challenged in the High Court http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-24/minchin-backs-voting-legal-fight/4277466 Although its lost in magistrats and supreme.

Nick Minchin is against it, but probably only because we know younger people will be less likely to vote, going by the US, and they vote overwhelmingly for progressive parties.

Im actually fine with it, voting isnt a right, its a duty of any citizen. You dont have to even vote, just show up, but if getting off your ass is all that they want you to do to participate in the political life of a country, then fine. The decisions made in parliament effect everyone, so its only right that everyone should vote.

Also, even if it were to be struck down, although I dont see how it would be really, I bet there would be enough popular support to change the constitution to insert a mandatory voting section.

Its akin to the 'taxation is theft' argument. You cant get out of paying taxes even if you dont want to, so why should you be allowed to skirt another civic responsiblity?
 
You can vote pretty much everywhere now so I see no issue with mandatory voting. Maybe the system itself can be mixed up a bit so politicians actually have to campaign properly for your vote, rather than no-one knowing who is running the show and voting based on Labor/Liberal/Countrybumpkinfuckwits/Hippies.

If you don't feel comfortable voting just head down the road and say so, or postal vote.

Also Omi should buy a new PC if that is what settings they auto-detect ;)
 
Just to add another voice to the Uncharted 3 talk, I was another person that was sorely disappointed with the game at launch.

I bought it day one and after the second game in the series I was excited. Uncharted 2 was a glorious game, with a story and charters that really resonated with me and compelled me to finish the game in two sittings. I devoured it so fast I almost felt like I didn't get my money's worth. Regardless, it went above the first game in regard which I held with high regard.

My only real criticism of the second game was the growing reliance on bullet-sponge enemies. I didn't really matter in the long run, though, as I was still able to play my usual game of long distance headshots and close up shotgunning. For the better part of the game I forgot that there was even melee combat. At the conclusion of the game I felt like I had been an active component of an Indiana Jones style movie.

The third in the series seemed to be a devolution of all the parts that I enjoyed in the previous instalments. The 'platforming' controls, which were never perfect and always felt loose, felt horrible. Drake was an inebriated madman drunkenly trying to perform interpretive dance on ice, forced to run through various canned animations in an effort to imitate "lifelike movement." This wasn't a 'deal breaker' for me, as the characters and story were the biggest draw card for me.

The story, however, didn't hook me from the start and failed to capture my interest. I know it had something to do with Drake's past, the famous explorer whose surname he assumed and a couple of nobs seeking to do something about something which involved them trying to kill Drake and Sully.

As strange as it sounds, this was not going to be the last straw, as sometimes the interactivity of the game can overcome shortcomings in the story. I was not to find any solace in the action, though. Inebriated Drake's aiming was poor. And somehow, confusing. I never felt like I was in control of the fine movements and was constantly missing headshots and, at times, the entire enemy. I'm not the best third person shooter out there, so some of the blame can be levelled at me but not enough that would explain how much difficulty I was experiencing. Every gun fight was an object lesson in frustration and feeling like I was lacking a basic level of proficiency at the game.

Lastly, Naughty Dog decided to rely more heavily on their bullet sponge enemies, creating foes that could literally absorb multiple clips of ammo before being dispatched. The only way to make the process quicker was to engage them in QTE melee combat. While this sounds like a viable option, it wasn't, and this was purely down to the game design.

You see, Naughty Dog had decided to design the killrooms in a way that (I can only assume) were best handled in a particular fashion or order. Snipe that guy, then grenade that one, go to next cover handle bullet sponge, take out sniper, etc, etc. If you didn't take out a foe that you were meant to, it probably meant certain, but painfully drawn out death. Don't take out the sniper and have another enemy get to close, and you'd be forced into a melee QTE, all the while watching the sniper laserscope tracking your head. As soon as you finished the QTE the sniper would pull the trigger and you'd die. Sometimes the QTE would give other opponent enough time to advance and they'd shoot you while during the process, killing you.

It just felt like every combat instance was designed to be handled in one, or very limited, ways, with death and frustration being the outcome if you didn't figure it out. Even lauded sections of the game like the Ship Graveyard were exercises in frustration for me. If you didn't approach the level in the way that it was intended, you'd find yourself swarmed and killed.

It was not long after the Ship Graveyard section that I put the game down. the frustration and disappointment were too great. I initially placed most of the blame on myself. Perhaps I was not in the right mood for the game. Maybe I needed to come back to it later when the game would be free of my lofty expectations and I would be able to appreciated it on its own merits.

That period of time was about 4 months, I think. Neither my time away from the game nor the patch changed my opinion of the game. While the new aiming lessened the frustration of shooting enemies where I had intended, it did nothing to fix any other aspect that I didn't enjoy.

I still felt that Naughty Dog had resorted to a "Let's fling endless waves of enemies at the player" design to their levels and towards the latter part of the game decided to have enemies materialise close to Drake. I felt that Naughty Dog had designed levels that you needed to 'figured out' an exact order on how the enemies needed to be handled, otherwise you would meet certain death.

I finished the game, mainly out of stubbornness and the compulsion to finish what I've started, born from my upbringing that any actual desire to see the end. No, that's a lie. I enjoyed the first two games and wanted to see the ending; to see where they took the end of the trilogy and to see what ending they gave to the character's I had come to know during the past two games.

All in all, I didn't enjoy it. I think there were very few 'victories' in the game apart from the graphics, which were gorgeous and the continued stellar work by the voice acting team.

This isn't the first time I've raised these concerns about the game in AusGAF (and looking up it was never as verbose as it is here) but wanted to add another voice to the negative team. Sorry for gunking up the thread with a huge wall of negativity.
 
Ouch lol whoever picks the photos for articles was obviously having a good day

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A DEVELOPER has blamed Queensland Premier Campbell Newman for a decision to scrap a $5 billion tourism project on the Gold Coast.

Mr Grosvenor told ABC radio the company had always made it clear a casino was essential for the Gold Coast project's viability, and he suggested that Mr Newman was more interested in a second casino for Brisbane.
 
Vanquish, Pixeljunk Monsters, Pixeljunk Shooter, WipEout HD, Wipeout Pure, Wipeout Pulse, Orange Box, Portal 2, Batman Arkham Asylum, Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, Uncharted 2, Halo Reach, Call of Duty 2, Geometry Wars 2, Valkyria Chronicles, Lumines, Everybody's Golf World Tour, Pac Man Championship Edition, Virtua Fighter 5, PES 2009, Rainbow Six Vegas, Colin McRae Dirt, Splinter Cell Conviction, Bioshock minus the cliche ending, Rockstar Table Tennis, Elefunk, Prey, Outrun 2 online, Marble Blast Ultra, Outpost Kaloki X, Worms HD, Flower and thats what comes to mind immediately.

Conviction!!! Why oh why?
 
Could somebody please help me out here, I really don't know much about consumer law etc.

I got my iPhone 5 last Friday through Optus after much drama, but as many others have found, the phone was damaged right out of the box:

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It has marks like that all around the glass on the back and it's really noticeable and distracting. I called Apple and they said Optus have to replace it as I bought it through them, which I didn't expect as I had my Optus iPhone 4 replaced at an Apple store once.

Anyway, Optus tried to tell me that they couldn't do anything about it because the phone was taken out of the box in the store (when they activated the phone/sim) and I should have noticed the damage then so it was my fault. After some argument they said I could bring everything back, they'd send it away for repair and I'd receive it back within 2-3 weeks, which seemed a bit annoying considering I bought it 3 days ago.

Someone linked me to this and from what I can gather from Page 30, I'm entitled to a remedy through Apple?
 
I loathed group work at uni, at the start of each unit I would request that I do the project on my own which got the OK 50% of the time. There is nothing worse than being with a bunch of slack assholes, and then having to put in a load of extra effort to get good marks, only to have the lazy pricks cruise through (getting the same marks) with little to no effort.

Never had a problem with group work or group assignments at uni. But that's because I did all the work while the others dicked around and got free Distinctions.


Could somebody please help me out here, I really don't know much about consumer law etc.

I got my iPhone 5 last Friday through Optus after much drama, but as many others have found, the phone was damaged right out of the box:

Good thing it didn't look like this

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Jokes aside, if you're dealing with Optus, your best bet would be the Ombudsman. They work really fast and might be able to escalate your issue to a replacement.
 

Jintor

Member
How much was Deek selling it for? I'm curious to see how much they go for second hand. I figure that given that it's basically dead in the water, prices should tumble quicker than the PSP.

$250 with Lumines and Wipeout and a... 32 gb card? 16 gb card? I forget, but it was larger than most pack-ins.
 
Looks like you had similar issues that RandomVince had with Uncharted 3, Planet_JASE.

I don't really have anything else worthwhile to add to the discussion since I haven't played it (and my earlier input was with around the--IMO hyperbolic--wording Vince was using more than his points).

It sounds like the disappointment with the game was partly due to high expectation. Have you given all the games in the series another look-in more recently to see whether you have the same opinion of them?

Conviction!!! Why oh why?
I liked Conviction! But then, I'm one of those guys who liked the first Assassin's Creed.

Jokes aside, if you're dealing with Optus, your best bet would be the Ombudsman. They work really fast and might be able to escalate your issue to a replacement.
And the best part is that Optus has to pay a fee for TIO complaints lodged against them, even if it's not their fault! In my experience Optus are quite fast to respond to TIO complaints as well.
 
I liked Conviction! But then, I'm one of those guys who liked the first Assassin's Creed

AC 1 was pretty good! Maybe I had lower expectations because I waited for the PC version and heard alot of shit talked about it but I thought it delivered.

Edit: That JB vita deal is damn good, Just finnished the LBP Vita campaign mode it was great.
 
Uncharted 2 was perfectly paced, with fantastic design aside from the aforemeantioned bullet sponge enemies every now and then.

Uncharted 3 had some issues where you would get bogged down, with an info dump at random times to offset the slog through much larger and open areas than in the previous games that had tighter level design and funneled you along better than UC3 which gave more of an illusion of an open approach that actually still required the standard scout -> cover -> shoot system of the previous titles.

The hype level certainly contributes but it was generally not as tight as Uncharted 2, I still found it to be one of the better games of the year without a doubt. Just not a 5/5 like UC2. Only game I picked up day one at retail that year (I am fairly certain) and I don't reget it at all.


Also Conviction was okay, went in a new direction but was still enjoyable. Also I liked the first AssCreed too! Felt fresh to be given so much freedom, even along with the jank and small amount of goals to accomplish.


Also have your phone put in a locker for lunch at Grill'd in Sydney for a free burger. Kinda weird. :/
 

Danoss

Member
Anyway, Optus tried to tell me that they couldn't do anything about it because the phone was taken out of the box in the store (when they activated the phone/sim) and I should have noticed the damage then so it was my fault. After some argument they said I could bring everything back, they'd send it away for repair and I'd receive it back within 2-3 weeks, which seemed a bit annoying considering I bought it 3 days ago.

Bullshit! They can and will replace it. Within 14 days minimum, the product must be replaced, not repaired.

You essentially bought it, you're just paying for it as you go. Not sure exactly how it should work (as in, who it must go through), as the warranty lasts as long as your contract, instead of the standard 12 months if you bought the phone outright from Apple. I'm confident it must be Optus, as they're your place of purchase.

You're definitely entitled to a replacement, as no one should walk out of a shop with a brand new item, take it home and discover its fucked and then be forced to wait weeks for a repair on it. That's why they must replace the item within a certain time frame.

I love how the fact that the phone was noticeably damaged and somehow it's your fault. Another example of why Optus is a horrible company; and another reason why I won't go on a plan for anything.

Get up 'em man, don't take no for an answer. Keep pushing your way up the chain until something acceptable is done about it. Be pleasant, but firm. The TIO is your best bet after you have exhausted all avenues with Optus themselves, remind them that's where you'll be going if this matter is not correctly resolved (only once you're speaking to someone who is relatively important, the phone jockeys couldn't give a rats arse).
 

Yagharek

Member
Console fanboi

Nothing wrong with console centric gaming.

Oh man now I really want to play Prey when I get home. It was bad, but in that awesome terribad way with some really cool shit going on but enough terrible design decisions to make you wonder what if.

Which also reminds me how fucking awesome Prey 2 looked.
Looked. :(

Prey was announced before Duke Nukem Forever. It went through several redesigns, the death of one of the main creative and technical talents, and several platform target changes. Its remarkable that it came out at all, and it did manage to do things no game had done in the ten years since it was announced and it showed all those things to boot.

I liked Prey, but there are only two moments I really remember of the game.

The intro, the whole thing. Anyone intro that can combine the blue oyster cult, and horror gets a thumbs up in my book. Also the bit where you were shrunk down to run around on that mini planet, that was cool.

Art Bell radio station chatter was another fantastic thing. Really encouraged you to get stuck into the whole theme of alien invasions taken seriously.

Also, Girlfriend X was a shocking moment, albeit telegraphed a long way off.

Was there any doubt?


Edit: BL2 - why you set everything as low on startup, incl. 640x480 resolution. This isn't a WiiU.

Silence you, you are just as bad if not worse. :p

Just to add another voice to the Uncharted 3 talk, I was another person that was sorely disappointed with the game at launch. <snip>.

Agreed wholeheartedly. Another thing I didnt like was the platforming was completely linear. If you took a more effiecient and safer route (including a shorter fall) that wasn't the prescribed Official Route By Which To Jump you would get a grey death screen. The Official Jumping Solutions were often far more dangerous, stupid, and often not even indicated clearly at all. The listing ship ballroom being a prime example.

Conviction!!! Why oh why?

Because it was like 24. Splinter Cell stopped being good in the last two levels of Chaos Theory. They ruined multiplayer too. Double Agent was a massive letdown. Conviction is fine if you dont compare it to the superior first two games in the series and just treat it as its own thing.


Looks like you had similar issues that RandomVince had with Uncharted 3, Planet_JASE.

I don't really have anything else worthwhile to add to the discussion since I haven't played it (and my earlier input was with around the--IMO hyperbolic--wording Vince was using more than his points).

It sounds like the disappointment with the game was partly due to high expectation. Have you given all the games in the series another look-in more recently to see whether you have the same opinion of them?

I think its dangerous to put words into people's mouths. Even if the game was not in a widely lauded series, I would still have all the complaints about it that I do now. They are technical shortcomings. Where the comparison to previous entries becomes relevant is when making a point about how baffling it is they got it so right in UC2 and so wrong in UC3.

And don't get me started on Halo 3....
 

Lafiel

と呼ぶがよい
I always think the expectations excuse is a bullshit defence. I had high expectations for the following titles off the top of my head prior to their release - Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 2/3, Super Mario Galaxy 2, The Witcher 2, Metroid prime, GTA SA, and they more or less lived up to them, and still hold up today when I play them!

High expectations or not doesn't affect whether games like GTA4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Deus ex : invisible war are any less disappointing than they really are.;p
 
Bullshit! They can and will replace it. Within 14 days minimum, the product must be replaced, not repaired.

You essentially bought it, you're just paying for it as you go. Not sure exactly how it should work (as in, who it must go through), as the warranty lasts as long as your contract, instead of the standard 12 months if you bought the phone outright from Apple. I'm confident it must be Optus, as they're your place of purchase.

You're definitely entitled to a replacement, as no one should walk out of a shop with a brand new item, take it home and discover its fucked and then be forced to wait weeks for a repair on it. That's why they must replace the item within a certain time frame.

I love how the fact that the phone was noticeably damaged and somehow it's your fault. Another example of why Optus is a horrible company; and another reason why I won't go on a plan for anything.

Get up 'em man, don't take no for an answer. Keep pushing your way up the chain until something acceptable is done about it. Be pleasant, but firm. The TIO is your best bet after you have exhausted all avenues with Optus themselves, remind them that's where you'll be going if this matter is not correctly resolved (only once you're speaking to someone who is relatively important, the phone jockeys couldn't give a rats arse).

Thanks for the reply man. Going to go into the store today speak to them again.
 

Yagharek

Member
I always think the expectations excuse is a bullshit defence. I had high expectations for the following titles off the top of my head prior to their release - Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 2/3, Super Mario Galaxy 2, The Witcher 2, Metroid prime, GTA SA, and they more or less lived up to them, and still hold up today when I play them!

High expectations or not doesn't affect whether games like GTA4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Deus ex : invisible war are any less disappointing than they really are.;p

Well said.
 
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