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AusGAF 9 - F*** Off, We're Full (Of People With Different Ethnic Backgrounds)
- Thread starter Kritz
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The whole point of a console is that I can plug that shit in and stuff will play. I don't have to futz around like I do on my computer disabling shit and re-enabling shit and troubleshooting, oh the fucking troubleshooting. I mean I don't mind doing it for my PC because that's what PCs are, but if I've got a console I want to be able to plug that shit in and play some games.
It's definitely not a desirable DRM system for the end-user. On a personal note I seem to be in the minority here that I just don't care, and as long as there are games I want to play I will get the system. Having said that my Internet connection is fairly reliable and I have 3 different other ways of connecting should I need to, so I can definitely sympathise with you guys with poor connections. I was one of the people that bought Diablo 3 and Sim City (so I guess I am part of the problem), and I did get annoyed at those games, not so much the online requirement, but more so the dependency on server side code which caused both games to have issues, especially in Aus.
In the vast majority of the time won't that be the case though?
In the vast majority of the time won't that be the case though?
pieatorium
Member
In the case of renting or borrowing?
Right except for the edge cases like I'm moving my box around to other people's houses for gaming nights or conventions or something. But just because something works 80% of the time doesn't mean you can just blow off the other 20%. If the box becomes a hassle to use that'll suck. It'll come down to implementation, but it doesn't look good right now I feel.
I mean that's without even going into the consumer rights discussion which is where I have a pretty big bone to pick
pieatorium
Member
It's all part of the xbox discussion and console discussion and part of the "things that make a console worthwhile over a pc"
That's a fair point I hadn't considered, probably as I don't do it. I guess all you can do is vote with your wallet and not buy it.
Sure, it just doesn't have much to do with the point I was putting across (re: hotspots etc). Though I have never really thought in recent times (as a PC gamer) that there was argument of choosing a console over PC (price I guess, to an extant), I think they make a nice companion item.
If I was going to choose just one, I would probably look at the PS3 PS4 for games. But being as they are more and more like PC's their relevance can be questioned to a degree. So on that point I might choose the xbone if Kinect works as well as the claims, that bit me last time though.
edit: having said that Kinect v2 is apparently coming to PC, so that plus Oculus Rift + Hyrdra could lead to some awesome unique experiences.
edit: having said that Kinect v2 is apparently coming to PC, so that plus Oculus Rift + Hyrdra could lead to some awesome unique experiences.
have all my portable stuff with me!RadDid you have to leave most of that stuff behind then? I hope you brought your DS, I wanna play animal crossing with someone ><
awww yeah webbbbbber!
FormallyMegadrive
Member
You need to have logged in before and have it login without password entry, so steam has your details. Otherwise it wont gives you the option of offline mode. I tried it myself before i got my internet back and i had to login with my phones 3g tethered
Nice work, the Qs are awesome. Check out the Aus BBQ forums for tips: http://www.aussiebbq.info/forum/index.php
I can see where people are coming from, but I don't think it's something that should be accepted. I know people will say "well, it won't affect my situation so it doesn't bother me" or something similar. That doesn't excuse it by any means.
We're constantly reminded we don't 'own' our games, we only own a license to play them. The scope of this license has just been reduced and your ability to do much of what you used to is being revoked or restricted. Will the cost of the software license be reduced to account for this? Of course not, but it absolutely should be.
I'm not invested in any of this myself since I checked out from video games some time ago, I just don't like it when companies treat their customers like this and people let them. The more people dismiss things like this, the worse it will become. If they can get away with this, why stop there? But this is for the greater market to decide, many of those who would buy the console might not even be aware of any of this.
Y'know,
I never once rented a game for my 360
I have bought a total of two preowned games for my 360 - Perfect Dark Zero, Earth Defence Force 2017. One time I almost sold some games to get a cheaper Halo 3 Cat Helmet preorder. But I didn't.
My innernets, however, does still occasionally go out for more than a day.
I'm not gonna say I won't buy the Xbox Bone Xone, because I probably will, but boy those constraints still seem unfuckin'real for an actual ass video game console. I can't wait to see it fail. Even if it probably won't.
I am part of the problem.
I never once rented a game for my 360
I have bought a total of two preowned games for my 360 - Perfect Dark Zero, Earth Defence Force 2017. One time I almost sold some games to get a cheaper Halo 3 Cat Helmet preorder. But I didn't.
My innernets, however, does still occasionally go out for more than a day.
I'm not gonna say I won't buy the Xbox Bone Xone, because I probably will, but boy those constraints still seem unfuckin'real for an actual ass video game console. I can't wait to see it fail. Even if it probably won't.
I am part of the problem.
I agree with your sentiments but it's typically human nature. Some people won't be able to afford the xbone but most people that can won't care about that, some won't have a HDMI connection on their TV, well they're xboned as well etc etc. This is not so much an analogy to MS's DRM, which I must restate, I don't 'like' it's just not an issue for me. Now watch me come back in a year whinging about it and eating crow
I agree with your sentiments but it's typically human nature. Some people won't be able to afford the xbone but most people that can won't care about that, some won't have a HDMI connection on their TV, well they're xboned as well etc etc. This is not so much an analogy to MS's DRM, which I must restate, I don't 'like' it's just not an issue for me. Now watch me come back in a year whinging about it and eating crow
It is human nature and it truly disappoints me. People want what they want and are willing to make certain concessions so they can have it. It's a shame, but that's the reality of it.
I'm willing to make sacrifices if I see something like this that I don't agree with. I understand that many others don't want to and that's fine, it's their choice and I don't begrudge them for it. Ideally, many more people would make a stand and vote with their wallets and it would be better for everyone in the end, on this matter and considerably more important ones.
shanshan310
Member
Sadly I don't think 'voting with your wallet' makes much of a difference. I certainly won't be buying one, but I know plenty of people who are willing to put up with the bullshit and buy it anyway.
FallbackPants
Member
Honestly, I am too. Used games are the only downside to me. But day and date digital is awesome and could completely mitigate my use of used. Especially if there are deals, which XBL seems to have had a few of recently (the Alan Wake sale, and I got Blops for $3. $3!)
I never use rental stuff, and the only people I've lent games to are close mates/family and I'm pretty sure I've only lent it once. I don't have much of a drama with that.
Constant only checking sucks balls. But as a moral thing, not a logistical thing.
Being able to share games, and stream them from other consoles is fucking rad though.
I'd prefer not to support this, but if I'm being honest a couple of good games and I will.
BananaArnie
Member
GAme does not
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
So has Sorny categorically stated that they'll have no restrictions* on your physical game purchases?
Because if *I* were running the company, I'd look at this and see the perfect opportunity to implement such a system. What are those game-addicted saps gonna do to avoid DRM, anyway? Buy a Wii U?
Remember how Reggie was all like "Sony just gave us a price cut" the day 599 US Dollars happened? Well, MS gave Sony permission to be dicks.
* Like for real. Not technically like Xbone.
Because if *I* were running the company, I'd look at this and see the perfect opportunity to implement such a system. What are those game-addicted saps gonna do to avoid DRM, anyway? Buy a Wii U?
Remember how Reggie was all like "Sony just gave us a price cut" the day 599 US Dollars happened? Well, MS gave Sony permission to be dicks.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
* Like for real. Not technically like Xbone.
But those guys are the more casual crowd (I'm presuming here of course) who will get the yearly CoD, FIFA and maybe one or two other games. It's the core crowd like GAF that buys one or two games a month (again presuming) that will hurt if they abandon a console.
reptilescorpio
Member
Xbone is targeting the Wii crowd, not the educated buyers. MS have been targeting that market since the introduction of the Kinect.
It will be a big seller even if PS4 attracts the gamers and game makers.
Xbone 2 will barely give a shit about video games.
Fin.
P.S. Sony PR is still inept VKS, they should have been out on the front foot from day one of the Xbone reveal, rather than just thinly veiled insults on Twitter.
It will be a big seller even if PS4 attracts the gamers and game makers.
Xbone 2 will barely give a shit about video games.
Fin.
P.S. Sony PR is still inept VKS, they should have been out on the front foot from day one of the Xbone reveal, rather than just thinly veiled insults on Twitter.
pieatorium
Member
All they have said is no net required (like properly not required not xbox circlespeak) and used games is publisher descision.
the longer they don't say anything specific the more likely they have their own shitty system.
I can't argue with anything you are saying because you are right. I guess I am just jaded (maybe disillusioned) and certainly selfish in that regard as in the past when I have tried standing against corporations it is futile. I think a good example of this is the lack of dedicated servers for COD4 or 5? on PC whereby a large contingent of the PC gaming community said they are going to boycott the game because of it, well there was a classic screenshot that went around and a lot of the people that said they would boycott were playing it day one. In that regard I guess I have become more selfish (with these types of things).
I don't care one way or the other, but the boycott group was an open group that anyone could join, so CoD fans joined the group and took the screenshot for a laugh. It's funny but not worth using as a serious example for anything.
reptilescorpio
Member
I'm still staying strong with my Gloria Jeans boycott. Haven't entered their stores ever since!
Me too, helps that I went cold turkey on coffee completely.
Same, although it kind helps that I don't drink tea or coffee.
Fair enough, bad example. The point was trying to make (and should have elaborated on) that video games related boycotts seem to rarely work as it's usually just the hardcore audience invested which seems to be a minority of the install base. Maybe if all gamers were a hivemind we would see change but with people like myself (see a negative thing but don't really care) it won't happen often.
ClivePwned
Member
if Sony follows suit (their silence since the Xbone announcement doesn't mean one thing or the other they're either going down a similar path or saving it up as their megaton swipe at MS at E3)
if they go along with MS
PSFlaw
if they repudiate
PS Slaughter
God, next week will be interesting. I waiting for new business model called "shareware" to be announced.
if they go along with MS
PSFlaw
if they repudiate
PS Slaughter
God, next week will be interesting. I waiting for new business model called "shareware" to be announced.
It will be interesting to see what happens. If the Xbone and PS4 launch at roughly the same time for roughly the same price, a negative campaign by hardcore dudes will definitely have some impact. I'm pretty sure the console market is shrinking (this gen has been huge), so perhaps we'll be back to winner takes all of the PS2 era and prior, which makes the stakes even higher. The Xbox has the advantage going in, they're still selling fairly well. Man I'm looking forward to those first few NPD threads after launch.
It doesn't have the requisite impact if enough people don't do it. Part of the problem lies in the attitude that 'one person can't make a difference'; this is, of course, correct if they're alone. If enough people ditch that attitude and stand their ground instead of accepting things as they are, that's when change can happen.
I typed up some more, but I thought it might seem a bit rude and I don't mean to be. Just look at some failed game franchises that came back to do well and you'll see it absolutely does work; they didn't fail because of all the sales they made.
Yeah it's going to be fascinating, I will probably be spending more time looking at that data/analysis than playing the things themselves
FallbackPants
Member
Let's not forget Sanitarium who are owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church and as such don't pay tax
I was actually thinking of them as I was typing. It feels funny to buy Vita Brits, which is owned by massive multinational Nestle, instead of Weet Bix, owned by a fairly small company, because they too (allegedly) fund the ACL. But it's what I do. TAKE THAT JIM!
We want to avoid the play off at all costs... it is not a good option...
Basically involves first playing off against another Asian side to determine who finishes '5th', then a play off against the 5th placed South American country. Ugh.
Also, anti-Football media/police agenda something something....
Footy fans well behaved at opening game of State of Origin
Basically involves first playing off against another Asian side to determine who finishes '5th', then a play off against the 5th placed South American country. Ugh.
Also, anti-Football media/police agenda something something....
Footy fans well behaved at opening game of State of Origin
FallbackPants
Member
Dick Smith should make Dick's Bix.
I feel bad about turning away the salvos when they come doorknocking but man, some of those equality " views
You are taking a week off for game announcements?
Perfect.