Elaugaufein
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Knows her constituency I think.
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AusPoliGaf |Early 2016 Election| - the government's term has been... Shortened
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Knows her constituency I think.
Elaugaufein
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Elaugaufein
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More of a distraction I think. The goal is to give the media something to look at Labor for and take attention of the Bernadi situation , as well as how it's effectively kneecapped any chance Turnbull had of setting this year's agenda. Removing attention from Bernadi should also prevent any journalists deciding to see if there's any one else potentially going rogue to keep with the theme.
I dunno if it will work though, this has been Turnbull's strategy for almost every misstep so far.
Elaugaufein
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I've actually seen it now. Its certainly a more commanding performance than usual and the media seem to be eating it up.
But that seems unlikely the misogyny speech worked by playing on things that appeal to potential Labor voters on a new avenue and Gillard was a women in a make dominated environment facing down a man's man type in Abbott. This is just the standard conservative tirade about unions and Turnbull is illsuited to calling Shorten a hypocrite on most of the issues raised.
TheWasTheJoke
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100% posturing, but it seem many conservatives are lapping it up, appearance over policy as always.
Shorten needs to fire back, doesn't have to in the same manner, but a response is warranted
Shorten needs to fire back, doesn't have to in the same manner, but a response is warranted
Elaugaufein
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Because of the way Question Time works the government gets the final word on a subject and can use Dorothy Dixers to get first and final. Shorten can't respond in kind with because that sort of fire would seem completely artificial with a delay. And logical refutations of those fiery spiels usually just come off as whiny and defensive. Hmm, he could maybe use the next QR if he can work out a subject where he can hit back on the same notes without it looking too scripted.
ETA - On a sad note for Turnbull though, I've seen a lot of conservatives giving Bernadi the credit for this (which is probably accurate but not exactly what Turnbull would want).
TheWasTheJoke
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I mean there needs to be a response, didn't have to be then, didn't have to be a screaming polemic, just a something to show he can arge-barge too
Elaugaufein
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I imagine there'll be something coming yeah.
oipic
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Billy has taken the high moral ground, played a straight bat, taken a for-the betterment-of-politics stance: "yelling at each other turns people off politics".
All good fun.
Turnbull in faux-beast mode is entertaining, but it all seemed a little contrived and shallow to me. It might score some points in the short term, among those who are somehow impressed by such behaviour, however. Interesting tactical play, in any case.
Elaugaufein
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Of course it was. That speech was obviously pre-written and he was just looking for some vaguely related attack to spin into it off. There's very little truly spontaneous that happens in public proceedings.
Elaugaufein
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This: http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2017/02/09/bill-shorten-still-thinking-great-comeback-turnbull
Is why you can't really do a delayed reply to the Turnbull thing. And you can't do an immediate reply because that's not how QT works.
Is why you can't really do a delayed reply to the Turnbull thing. And you can't do an immediate reply because that's not how QT works.
I haven't seen/read what Turnbull said, but can only hope Shorten will enlist Keating to give him a hand.
D.Lo
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It will be in the form of a trademark Zinger.
"Malcolm Turnbull might say I stand for nothing, but he should look in the mirror and he'll see a man of no substance, so he'll see that actually he is the one who stands for nothing"
ROAR
Elaugaufein
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Hey, his zingers are sometimes actually pretty decent.
Sounds like something Supa Hot Fire would say
Candescence
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To be fair, Shorten already basically gave his rebuttal on 7:30 later that evening. I can't find the article right now, but I think I recall his response basically being along the lines of "I kinda pity him, his tirade must be like screaming at a mirror".
bobnowhere
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Yeah, they've been working on that speech for a while now, just waiting for an opportunity.
I'm not entirely sure where Turnbull is going with it, he's basically old money accusing new money of social climbing. Not really the thing he and the Liberal party, social mobility through bootstraps mentality, have a problem with. Let's face it most of the Liberal caucus are talentless suckholes attaching themselves to more successful people to achieve their goals!
Now we just need a second season of Here come theHabibs Shortens. In episode one, Billy goes to the local menswear store and buys the tophat Lord Wentworth has been eying off for ages and hilarity ensues.
I'm not entirely sure where Turnbull is going with it, he's basically old money accusing new money of social climbing. Not really the thing he and the Liberal party, social mobility through bootstraps mentality, have a problem with. Let's face it most of the Liberal caucus are talentless suckholes attaching themselves to more successful people to achieve their goals!
Now we just need a second season of Here come the
Candescence
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Meanwhile, Scott Morrison brought a lump of coal to the lower house and started waving it around to make a point on "energy security". It's the high visibility vest incident all over again.
bobnowhere
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Vestman covered himself in glory today as well arguing against the taking away of the lifetime airfare goldpass claiming they don't get paid that well and he would make more money outside of politics. Go for MacDonald, maybe you could run a coal mine into the ground continuing the long tradition of failed ex-nats once they leave office.
Elaugaufein
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This is why I don't think politicians should be paid lots it leads to people being better at being politicians not better people being politicians. Well enough to be comfortably well off and not obligated to take corporate work afterwards but not to the point people do it for the money.
bobnowhere
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Looks like NSW will run out of power tomorrow between 3 and 5pm unless more generation is found. Damn NSW Labor Government and their irresponsible renewable energy policy. Surely isn't because of near unlimited LNG demand in Asia meaning Gas Generators make more money selling their allocation instead of actually generating power.
Candescence
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Politicians should be banned from taking up jobs in corporations or as lobbyists after they are no longer in parliament. The "revolving door" of politics is a massive conflict of interest in general, here and in other countries.
Elaugaufein
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Because coal industries have been donating muchos money to them , to do it.
Yeah that makes sense.
Elaugaufein
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Also on reflection probably because they think its a good chance to pick up some traditional Labor voters of the type who work in those industries and so aren't really please about them needing to be shut down over environmental concerns, that they have very real incentives to pretend aren't actually a problem.
viciouskillersquirrel
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There is also the vague macho romanticism surrounding mining as being a rugged, manly, "real" job that an honest, hard-working Aussie bloke can do for good money without much training or education. There will come a time when advances in solar systems will make coal fired generation seem absurdly expensive by comparison and the price will drop like a rock, making a lot of mines non-viable. When that day comes, politicians will still be falling over themselves to (further) subsidise and prop up the industry and being photographed wearing blindingly clean hi-vis PPE.
That's not to mention the fact that drones and robots will be doing the bulk of the actual mining in the long term anyway.
Getting rid of the mining profit super tax was a huge mistake.
That's not to mention the fact that drones and robots will be doing the bulk of the actual mining in the long term anyway.
Getting rid of the mining profit super tax was a huge mistake.
TheWasTheJoke
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The weather was absolute shit in Sydney today, Climate Change is gonna destroy this country
jellies_two
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Stop putting ideology into coal burning power stations!
(I will never ever forgive Turnbull for making his mouth move to emit those words)
Elaugaufein
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Yeah , Brisbane was quiet reasonable today too. It's apparently going to suck tomorrow though, 37 Degrees C with 47% humidity.
bobnowhere
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It hit 41 the last two days in Canberra though it's only 30 today and the cool change is sweeping in as I type.
AdventureRacing
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Been around 43-46 the last 3 days where I live. Yesterday I was driving to a concert around 3pm and my cars dash read 50 degrees. Can't remember ever feeling air that hot. Can't wait for a cool change.
bobnowhere
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There's no formal coalition in WA between the Nats and the Libs but this is still pretty cold. Looks like the Libs will preference ONP in the upper house in select areas ahead of the Nats while ONP will preference the Libs where they run in the lower. Not convinced this will make a whole heap of difference as Barnett is firmly on the nose and people are looking to give him a kicking. I can't see too many angry people preferencing him 2nd and it's speculated ONP won't have enough people on the ground to make a difference. Might result in ONP holding the balance in the upper though.
FOI shows Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and ministers were told wind not to blame for South Australia blackout
Ideology run amuck!
There were some suburbs in Perth that lost power last night, and you can blame it on wind!
It was fixed within the hour in my area, can't imagine what it would be like if Western Power were privatised. Which I'm not inherently opposed to, but as the only game in town... Well, I'm just apprehensive about throwing ourselves at the feet of corporate power and praying for mercy. If there's going to be a monopoly, I'd rather it be the government. Still, Colin can blow me.
The Libs are probably shitty with the Nats over their proposed mining tax, which some ads by the Chamber of Minerals and Energy assure me will be the worst thing ever and almost all the money raised by it will go to New South Wales and Victoria (somehow). But I feel like I've been hearing about differences between the two parties for a while now. Probably Colin's fault, because everything is Colin's fault. I mean, he's just an incredibly ineffective leader and negotiator, but God I hate Colin. Colin.
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The Libs are probably shitty with the Nats over their proposed mining tax, which some ads by the Chamber of Minerals and Energy assure me will be the worst thing ever and almost all the money raised by it will go to New South Wales and Victoria (somehow). But I feel like I've been hearing about differences between the two parties for a while now. Probably Colin's fault, because everything is Colin's fault. I mean, he's just an incredibly ineffective leader and negotiator, but God I hate Colin. Colin.
viciouskillersquirrel
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To be fair to Trumble, he probably meant it in light of the disruptive nature of the office's veto power when put to use by a fire-breathing obstructionist, a tactic pioneered by Tiberius Gracchus. In doing this, he unknowingly kicked off a series of constitutional crises that led to the destruction of the Republic and its takeover by Julius Caesar.
Well that did amuse me.
Never mind that Tiberius Gracchus was a total badass who stood up to the Patrician class and never flinched, right up to the point where the Senate beat him to death with improvised clubs made from chair legs. Though he meant it as an insult, imagine if Empty Shirten had that kind of a spine, those sorts principles. Shorten acting like a tribune of the plebs? We should be so lucky.
Comparisons to the Gracchi aside Turnbull seemed like he was in remarkably dangerous waters when he called Shorten a social climber.
Damages that nice fiction the Coalition loves that Australia is an egalitarian paradise, people who negatively gear are mum and dad investors, that Labor and the Greens are just stirring up trouble with this nonsense about equality, etc.
No instead Turnbull tells the pleb to know his place.
Damages that nice fiction the Coalition loves that Australia is an egalitarian paradise, people who negatively gear are mum and dad investors, that Labor and the Greens are just stirring up trouble with this nonsense about equality, etc.
No instead Turnbull tells the pleb to know his place.
D.Lo
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Yeah it would be okay coming from many other people 'look at the snivelling sycophant, he doesn't care about public service just climbing his parasite ladder'. But from a rich fuck it sounds like 'Let them eat cake'.
bobnowhere
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You leave poor Hedonism Bot alone!
And given Turnbulls start at the packer table I did roll my eyes quite a bit. But then there was a shit ton pot-kettle stuff in is rant.
bobnowhere
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WA One Nation candidate claims gay community uses Nazi-style mind control
Where do they find these people? PHON really isn't a party, it's just a loose conglomerate of nutters each with their own crazy purpose trying to ride into Parliament on the coat tails of Hanson. If PHON hold the balance of power in WA or even worse in QLD how long till the states resemble the world of Mad Max?
Though maybe as many as 18 PHON's are ignoring the deal and hate the Libs so it probably doesn't bode that well for Colin. I really hope the press push Barnett on this and every single crazy statement from these people whose preferences he so dearly wants.
Where do they find these people? PHON really isn't a party, it's just a loose conglomerate of nutters each with their own crazy purpose trying to ride into Parliament on the coat tails of Hanson. If PHON hold the balance of power in WA or even worse in QLD how long till the states resemble the world of Mad Max?
Though maybe as many as 18 PHON's are ignoring the deal and hate the Libs so it probably doesn't bode that well for Colin. I really hope the press push Barnett on this and every single crazy statement from these people whose preferences he so dearly wants.
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