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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?

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Yagharek

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You've made the mistake of thinking the current government cares about that. They will just reduce the value of pensions and keep increasing retirement age to access them. They don't care if people are fucked over, they just don't want to spend money on them at all.

Indeed. Cant let friends run out of caviar.
 

Yagharek

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I'm so glad Mad As Hell is coming back in a few more weeks. Micallef's brand of satire is just what this country needs right now.
 

bomma_man

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that minimum wage thread in OT… I can't. why would the rich get their hands dirty in the class war when they can just rely on the poor and the slightly less poor to rip each other to shreds over table scraps.
 

Dryk

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This brewing birther controversy should be fun to watch

that minimum wage thread in OT… I can't. why would
the rich get their hands dirty in the class war when they can just rely on the poor and the slightly less poor to rip each other to shreds over table scraps.
You have to give them a gentle nudge every now and then to keep them fighting, but other than that yeah it's pretty hands off.

Either way, labor supply continues to go up, labor supply continues to go down, and nobody will do anything about it.
 

Arksy

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I'm not against minimum wages, although I really like good systems that seem to work without one....like Germany....no minimum wage...really good wage conditions...
 

hidys

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I'm not against minimum wages, although I really like good systems that seem to work without one....like Germany....no minimum wage...really good wage conditions...

Not any more.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28140594

In any case most peoples pay and conditions are unaffected by a minimum wage. It's only the worst off who are affected hence why many in Germany (thanks to strong trade union influence) have decent pay and conditions.
 
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Arksy

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Not any more.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28140594

In any case most peoples pay and conditions are unaffected by a minimum wage. It's only the worst off who are affected hence why many in Germany (thanks to strong trade union influence) have decent pay and conditions.

I don't like our award system because the award rate has basically become the maximum wage. I'm not too strong in my criticism though because while we're losing a lot of business due to high costs, we have low unemployment and even the most basic wage is relatively liveable. If that chances or becomes hopelessly unsustainable we can rethink our system, but for the most part is actually seem to work out alright...

Having the working poor is just the worst.
 

Dryk

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Strange that Germany is introducing a minimum wage now. I was reading this morning about how they're expecting a labor shortage in the near future.
 

Arksy

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Strange that Germany is introducing a minimum wage now. I was reading this morning about how they're expecting a labor shortage in the near future.

The euro is incredibly good for Germany. It keeps costs artificially low.
 
So I wonder what's going to happen on 60 Minutes tonight? They are promising to expose many a bombshell around the Slipper/Ashby affair and showing ominous pictures of Brough, Pyne, Abbott and Wyatt (Does he even shave yet?) Roy. I'm not really sure why they got involved in the matter, it's not like Slipper was going to win the seat.

Probably just an enormous beat-up for ratings though and only Brough will and rightly get exposed for his interference in the matter and quietly be asked to not run at the next election.
 

wonzo

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So I wonder what's going to happen on 60 Minutes tonight? They are promising to expose many a bombshell around the Slipper/Ashby affair and showing ominous pictures of Brough, Pyne, Abbott and Wyatt (Does he even shave yet?) Roy. I'm not really sure why they got involved in the matter, it's not like Slipper was going to win the seat.

Probably just an enormous beat-up for ratings though and only Brough will and rightly get exposed for his interference in the matter and quietly be asked to not run at the next election.
http://www.independentaustralia.net/ashbygate

probs wont amount to much tbh but its nice to dream
 

Yagharek

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To no-one's surprise, 60 minutes was nothing new.

Just a recount of the events from Ashby's perspective and the personal toll it took on him. Which is fine in and of itself, but the ads were just plain misleading about the broader significance of it.

I watched Doctor Who earlier today on iview.
 
To no-one's surprise, 60 minutes was nothing new.

Just a recount of the events from Ashby's perspective and the personal toll it took on him. Which is fine in and of itself, but the ads were just plain misleading about the broader significance of it.

I watched Doctor Who earlier today on iview.

I don't know, we did learn Mal Brough is a complete fool thinking he could get away with an interview like that.
 

markot

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Meh, Germany is evil. Theyve screwed over so many Euro countries while pretending to be models of economic perfection.

The EU and the Euro were stupid ideas from the start.

And what crap, Ashby is a political tool who used these allegations to just hurt some guy politically cause he fell out with the liberal party. Meanwhile Slipper was found guilty of things politicians do every day. Main lesson of the story, dont fall out with the major parties.

Just like Abbots witch hunt over Pauline Hanson.

Abbot is a political cunt of the worst order. But at least he isnt fighting with Mrs Bishop omg mum dad stop fighting omg why fight I no liek!
 

Tommy DJ

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Meh, Germany is evil. Theyve screwed over so many Euro countries while pretending to be models of economic perfection.

The EU and the Euro were stupid ideas from the start.

Additionally, Germany takes advantage of how the European Union works with the whole free movement thing. Migrant laborers are paid like shit and treated like shit but its theoretically legal. In the agriculture and foodstuffs industry, that's why countries like France aren't happy with Germany since their labor costs are far lower. In fact, I think even the trade unions over there aren't happy about it either because fuck rich people exploiting the vulnerable.
 

hidys

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Meh, Germany is evil. Theyve screwed over so many Euro countries while pretending to be models of economic perfection.

The EU and the Euro were stupid ideas from the start.

And what crap, Ashby is a political tool who used these allegations to just hurt some guy politically cause he fell out with the liberal party. Meanwhile Slipper was found guilty of things politicians do every day. Main lesson of the story, dont fall out with the major parties.

Just like Abbots witch hunt over Pauline Hanson.

Abbot is a political cunt of the worst order. But at least he isnt fighting with Mrs Bishop omg mum dad stop fighting omg why fight I no liek!

I feel like the European Union is a good idea in that bringing some level of political cooperation between the European nations is makes a lot of sense.

The Euro currency was a very silly idea invented by very silly people.
 

Arksy

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I feel like the European Union is a good idea in that bringing some level of political cooperation between the European nations is makes a lot of sense.

The Euro currency was a very silly idea invented by very silly people.

After three devastating wars between France and Germany, bringing those two nations to the table was an incredibly sensible thing to do....

Political Union...trying to force together countries without their consent in a continent that's characterised by ancient animosities and without anything to unify them, whether it be language, ethnicity or history...is incredibly problematic.

Also there is an argument that a currency zone between Germany and the Netherlands and very few other northern European countries would have been OK. I don't quite know what those arguments are, I just know that they exist...apparently...
 

Quasar

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I feel like the European Union is a good idea in that bringing some level of political cooperation between the European nations is makes a lot of sense.

The Euro currency was a very silly idea invented by very silly people.

See to me it seemed like a good idea given the amount of intra European travel. Only need to carry one currency seems good. That said as a history geek the loss of national currencies makes me said.
 

Dryk

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Average upload speed results from SpeedTest are already higher than 2024's project demand. What a joke.

(I know that it's only a sample of "People who use SpeedTest" but still)

p9vc7sf2-1409898948.jpg
 

Arksy

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See to me it seemed like a good idea given the amount of intra European travel. Only need to carry one currency seems good. That said as a history geek the loss of national currencies makes me said.

It's convenient if you're a traveller, marginally....and for businesses in that you don't have to continually adjust for Forex fluxes, but the drawbacks are so staggering that any convince gained from a free movement area is buried deep behind an inflexible interest rates an inability to devalue and absurd bond yields.
 
Average upload speed results from SpeedTest are already higher than 2024's project demand. What a joke.

(I know that it's only a sample of "People who use SpeedTest" but still)

p9vc7sf2-1409898948.jpg

Huh. I wonder if SpeedTest skews high or low overall given there's likely 2 distinct user groups a) Show offs who want to demonstrate their leet high speeds and b) People who tech support are getting to use it to verify line / speed problems.
 

markot

Banned
French fear drove the Euro and the EU.

And when hasn't French fear been a good basis for policy making?

But it began as a limited economic union over coal or somesuch. Now its a marriage till death do them part. Trying to turn the EU into a USA is doomed to failure. The USA is a new country with no past. The EU is an old continent with one of the bloodiest pasts and entrenched national interests.

Australia, NZ, Canada and the USA are lucky (Non indigenously) in that they are new countries with a civic model of citizenship not based on blood. (mostly)

But hell, look at Europe, Scotland still wants independence? Theyre basically the same people, we have had Scottish PMs... etc... you name it, but its still this thousand year idiocy of 'freedom'. Europe has hyped nationalism to help destroy many states outside its own borders. And its being eaten away inside by the same disease.

Scotland gets independence. Then what? Spain will get split in a few pieces. Belgium?... you name it.

Well whatever, Europe has consistently been let down by its political class since..... well I don't know... Decent rule in Europe... im sure its happened here and there.
 

Dryk

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Huh. I wonder if SpeedTest skews high or low overall given there's likely 2 distinct user groups a) Show offs who want to demonstrate their leet high speeds and b) People who tech support are getting to use it to verify line / speed problems.
I use it to verify problems then demonstrate my leet high speeds once it's fixed. Also from Ookla:

Tests from 8,261,841 unique IPs have been taken in this country and of 26,115,194 total tests, 1,067,493 are being used for the current Index.

Either way it shows that it's likely a large segment of the population won't be adequately serviced by the network by the time they start building it.
 

bomma_man

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See to me it seemed like a good idea given the amount of intra European travel. Only need to carry one currency seems good. That said as a history geek the loss of national currencies makes me said.

giving up fiscal sovereignty was an awful idea without any federal government of Europe
 

Quasar

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Huh. I wonder if SpeedTest skews high or low overall given there's likely 2 distinct user groups a) Show offs who want to demonstrate their leet high speeds and b) People who tech support are getting to use it to verify line / speed problems.

Not so much showoffs I don't think as people who are testing their newly acquired connections and who care about the speed they are actually getting. So I'd think its skews high, as the second group probably have never even heard of speedtest. They probably only use it as part of a tech support query with their ISP.
 

senahorse

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Also as the author notes, he has projected that data based on linear growth, when in reality growth is generally much greater than a linear scale. However you take it, it's just another angle which shows what a joke the Vertigan report is.
 

markot

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Anyone else think it's stupid that we are more then willing to sell uranium but that we never use it here?

Either it's bad and we shouldn't sell it or use it.

Or its fine and we should do both?
 

Salazar

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QLD government planning to buy mining waste.

One of those strong decisions, I guess. Let us pay you so you can bypass the environmental impact of your industry.
 

Arksy

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Anyone else think it's stupid that we are more then willing to sell uranium but that we never use it here?

Either it's bad and we shouldn't sell it or use it.

Or its fine and we should do both?

What are you talking about? Those sorts of irrational policies are the foundation of modern Australia.
 

Dryk

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Really stings to hear that we're going to be buying foreign subs

QLD government planning to buy mining waste.

One of those strong decisions, I guess. Let us pay you so you can bypass the environmental impact of your industry.
DIRECT ACTION
 

Yagharek

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Mining tax. QLNP complains about mining companies having to pay tax on super profits.
Introduces taxpayer funded scheme to clean up mess made by mining companies.

What a fucking farce.
 

Dryk

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So like does the QLD constitution mandate it being the worst governed state or is it just one of those things?
I think a combination of the heat and us trying to throw them under the bus in WW2 has given them a deep-seated urge to torch the country
 
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