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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?
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Ah dammit by the time I graduate all the IT jobs will be gone...
http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...-for-business-pm/story-e6frfku9-1227090266645
http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...-for-business-pm/story-e6frfku9-1227090266645
They won't be gone, they'll just be paying minimum wage.
Haha I wish... the 457s will be doing it at minimum wage with essentially the absolute minimum benefits possible.
Sick of Australia.
Sick of how dumb bogans are.
Sick of Murdoch's monopoly over the media.
Sick of people voting based on said media without using half a brain cell.
Sick of everything about this place really, just want to graduate and get the hell out!
Not sure what you mean. The point of 457s is wage deflation, but once they've deflated far enough they would still prefer to hire you over someone from overseas.
But inflation still occurs - price of living increases (inflates) yet wages decrease (deflate).
When we are eventually chosen we'll be working at a minimum wage that is barely enough to live on - which prevents savings/investments which will allow us to gain wealth (which we won't be able to) whilst real estate agents and companies look the other way as the Chinese Black money comes pouring in pushing the prices of cities close to the CBD (where the jobs are since they're all concentrated there).
Thankfully I'm doing IT - a field with high mobility and ease of moving around.
We need an Expats thread somewhere!
I know, I'm still not sure what you meant by "I wish" though.
http://markbutler.alp.org.au/news/2014/10/14/joe-hockey-just-doesnt-understand-facts
>Me when I hear Joe Hockey, Christopher Pyne or Tones speak:
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Damn people and their sheep like behavior...
They'll be those that say they're paying minimum wage but are paying less. And since the 457s will eventually want PR and then citizenship they won't say anything - also they might not even though what they're signing since the English proficiency standards will be relaxed.
Politics these days are so much fun. Thanks to the Federal Government I can come up with insane ideas and people seem to think that I'm 100% serious.
Like government mandated helmets for drivers....and a government department for wealth disparity...and mandatory national service....with mandatory deployment for conscientious objectors.
Like government mandated helmets for drivers....and a government department for wealth disparity...and mandatory national service....with mandatory deployment for conscientious objectors.
I'm sure it happens, but I doubt it will be that widespread. The real issue is inflation like you say and minimum wage not rising with it.
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A More Normal Bird
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Remember when Howard said that if Obama was elected terrorists around the world would be circling inauguration day on their calendars and having a big celebration (or something like that)? With the way he's been lately I'm surprised Hockey hasn't started telling the world that the Labor party is ISIS' biggest ally in the west and asking for for the international community to pressure on Labor to pass the budget.
On a similar note:
On a similar note:
Maybe he had a premonition and thought they were cheering and setting off fireworks
shanshan310
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sshhhhh don't give them any more ideas. Literally everything else is labor's fault already.
Having a look at the list of approved occupations for 457 visas makes me raise an eyebrow.
Are we really that short on engineers? Graduates I've spoken too keep telling me of an engineering graduate surplus that makes the various engineering fields highly competetive and very difficult to gain employment in.
We're short on engineers that want to work at minimum wage. But (to be fair) also experienced engineers (including IT) who know what they're doing. You'd be shocked at how bad some are - as my dad and a relative could give you many a tale about...
Nobody wants to train graduates, they'd rather import people with a few years experience
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/tpg-...shield-nbn-20141015-116iev.html#ixzz3GCpmjXtX
Where the fuck was this legislation when Telstra was the only game in town? (Not threatening the LNP is where)
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/15/asylum-seeker-bill-allows-australia-to-ignore-risk-of-persecution
Why don't they just man up and pull out of the convention all together? It's not like we're conforming to it.
Why don't they just man up and pull out of the convention all together? It's not like we're conforming to it.
I still don't know how that wasn't piracy by Australia.
Elaugaufein
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Because they'd take a shellacking even from people who want them to be "tough on border protection". There's a fair number of those people who, even though they, believe that "economic mrigrant" refugees are a major problem or that many refugees are thugs/criminals/terrorists or taking jobs from Australians, are actually sympathetic to the terrible conditions these people suffer in their home countries, My family which consists of devout Catholic small-town folk on one side and fairly well off business owners on the other, and vote precisely as you'd expect from that, were quite happy to donate to refugee appeals and charities. Its about perception, and officially backing out of an international treaty on the treatment of refugees and asylum seekers does not make you look "tough but fair" or "pragmatic but compassionate". That's why they are taking the legislative approach of negating the treaties effect.
It'd be nice if the ALP would actually point out the real effects of this but they spend so much of their time on this issue being terrified of being wedged that they are probably considering running on a platform of resigning from the convention themselves at the next election.
Dastardly Jerks
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If they went to his university email address then they remain the property of the university.
Go ahead and use your work email to spread racist bile. Let us know how it goes.
You don't want to? Try sending porn then? How about sending personal details about your significant other? Still don't? Yeah, it's not a private account.
Add to that this guy was influencing the decision to exclude Aboriginal literature from the school curriculum.
Oh and at this stage he was suspended not fired.
You don't want to? Try sending porn then? How about sending personal details about your significant other? Still don't? Yeah, it's not a private account.
Add to that this guy was influencing the decision to exclude Aboriginal literature from the school curriculum.
Oh and at this stage he was suspended not fired.
Tim the Wiz
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Work emails count as a professional setting. Such demonstrated prejudices impact on his job consulting on the national curriculum, never mind the students he comes directly in contact with as a professional educator. The university has every right to consider disciplinary action and his future role. And the government should definitely be looking hard at his influence on education policy.
In this case, I'd say the public interest overrides a mistaken belief in private communication in what is a professional situation.
Elaugaufein
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The government hired him because of his conservative views. You cerrainly don't get a report on education that includes spirituality and traditional social moral values(ie Christianity) as recommendations by accident. The problem arises when the less socially palatable side of those views is made public even if in private a considerable section of the party room would likely agree.
And no organizations (particular semi-public ones and especially universities given that they should support academic freedom) shouldn't be actively scanning for unPC / nonprogessive stuff but if it comes up in the course of university business conducted with university email they certainly have the right to act on it.
And no organizations (particular semi-public ones and especially universities given that they should support academic freedom) shouldn't be actively scanning for unPC / nonprogessive stuff but if it comes up in the course of university business conducted with university email they certainly have the right to act on it.
Obviously he is a goon. You don't get into an Abbott panel by being a decent person.
I just have a problem with personal emails between 2 people, which may include colourful language and bigotry, being exposed in public by some other party.
Also the idea of monitoring university email for racism and the like, kind of goes counter to the free flow of ideas that universities should be encouraging.
Also as well, is there any indication that he has treated students unfairly? Most professors and the like are pretty liberal, are conservative students right to expect harsher treatment? Even racists can be professional.
I just have a problem with personal emails between 2 people, which may include colourful language and bigotry, being exposed in public by some other party.
Also the idea of monitoring university email for racism and the like, kind of goes counter to the free flow of ideas that universities should be encouraging.
Also as well, is there any indication that he has treated students unfairly? Most professors and the like are pretty liberal, are conservative students right to expect harsher treatment? Even racists can be professional.
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A More Normal Bird
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You don't have to support the scanning of private emails to think he deserves to face consequences. Once it's out in the public domain there's nothing to be gained from ignoring it. People generally don't approve of eavesdropping but if someone overheard a politician at a bar saying this sort of stuff and made a sneaky recording of it the pollie would be hung out to dry.
I think the media/court of public opinion is some/often-times a little too rash with judging private conversations absent of context, but that's a separate matter (and one which I don't think applies in this case, strenuous claims of "it's a game!" notwithstanding).
You know that forward button on email clients? It means all your emails are non secure and non private if someone you send them too forwards them. The dickhead should have known that, especially in a professional setting. It's not hard to not put your hate in writing.
It's a trivial little media widget, but the SMH's poll attached to their reporting asked whether or not "the fact that it was a game" influenced the moral gravity of the affair.
Fact ? Hoooold up.
How will we know? We have a few excerpts from one site. Context matters a lot. Why hasn't the site released it all?
Some people use pretty awful language amongst friends or groups that wouldn't go down well in public if taken out of context.
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