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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?
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This would make sense if 100% of speeding tickets were wilful. They're not.
How many states do this? I know Vic do. We've held onto our 10% leeway in NSW and I'll be pretty sad if it goes away.
ConstructMe
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not if the gov can stop us....what will they do to plug the billions of revenue thatll lose them? tax walking too fast??
ConstructMe
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Bless your state for that, were like your gimp hardass daddy in that regard.
shanshan310
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That and ABC SUUUUUUUCKSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!11111!!1!!one!!
"Tolerance is from 8% to 10% in most states but only 3 km/h in Victoria, an issue that has caused much controversy in that state, especially in light of the fact that previous Australian Design Rules specified that vehicle speedometers may have up to 10% leeway in accuracy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Australia
Driving is a priviliage not a right.
There are regulations you need to follow.
There is a test you need to pass.
You know speed limits exist.
Follow them.
If people didnt speed, there wouldnt be a dime in it.
You need to follow the rules when you drive.
You need to keep your car in reasonable condition.
You need to keep your tyres in decent condition.
You need to pay a registration fee.
Victoria is issuing fewer infringement notices
http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/bl...in-victoria--get-the-data-20130916-2tu41.html
People are pretty slow learners. People should be annoyed by speed cameras, cause then they will take attention of their speed.
I do think that there should be a weekly income % based fine. Its silly to fine someone what could be 1/3 of their weekly income for a crime while hitting someone else for what they earn in an hour.
There are regulations you need to follow.
There is a test you need to pass.
You know speed limits exist.
Follow them.
If people didnt speed, there wouldnt be a dime in it.
You need to follow the rules when you drive.
You need to keep your car in reasonable condition.
You need to keep your tyres in decent condition.
You need to pay a registration fee.
Victoria is issuing fewer infringement notices
http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/bl...in-victoria--get-the-data-20130916-2tu41.html
People are pretty slow learners. People should be annoyed by speed cameras, cause then they will take attention of their speed.
I do think that there should be a weekly income % based fine. Its silly to fine someone what could be 1/3 of their weekly income for a crime while hitting someone else for what they earn in an hour.
This is something I think we should look into.
When in doubt on fiscal matters I always ask the important question:
What would Sweden do?
D.Lo
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Lol.The Shovel said:
Sounds great, but almost impossible to administrate.
I get what you're going for, rich people for which a fine means nothing. But a speeding car is still a danger even if a poor person is driving it. And the really rich will work out a way out of it, like they do their taxes.
Base it off tax records for the previous year.
The point is to deter.
I think the demerit points are important in this regard. But a financial penalty that actually penalised all infringers and not just those who aren't well of is good to.
Financial penalties should always be catered towards maintaining the pain, which is the point of these penalties to begin with.
A 50,000 fine on Woolworths for misrepresentation compared to the same size fine for a local corner shop is completely different, one will barely notice it. The other may go out of business.
While there is an argument to be made that penalties should be equal for the same crime. There is the counter argument of maintaining the 'pain' for criminal infringement, as generally our justice systems are based on that utilitarian ideal.
Criminal courts can offer varied sentences based on the background of a criminal. A psycho with no remorse will generally have stiffer penalties than a young remorseful first offender even if their crimes are equal physically.
I generally think most fines should be based on a percentage than simple dollar amount. It ensues that the pain is always there and cannot be shaken off due to either personal or commercial wealth. Equal deterrence should mean unequal fines.
Even in these cases the poor will generally still be worse off. But it at least attempts to spread the pain more evenly.
The point is to deter.
I think the demerit points are important in this regard. But a financial penalty that actually penalised all infringers and not just those who aren't well of is good to.
Financial penalties should always be catered towards maintaining the pain, which is the point of these penalties to begin with.
A 50,000 fine on Woolworths for misrepresentation compared to the same size fine for a local corner shop is completely different, one will barely notice it. The other may go out of business.
While there is an argument to be made that penalties should be equal for the same crime. There is the counter argument of maintaining the 'pain' for criminal infringement, as generally our justice systems are based on that utilitarian ideal.
Criminal courts can offer varied sentences based on the background of a criminal. A psycho with no remorse will generally have stiffer penalties than a young remorseful first offender even if their crimes are equal physically.
I generally think most fines should be based on a percentage than simple dollar amount. It ensues that the pain is always there and cannot be shaken off due to either personal or commercial wealth. Equal deterrence should mean unequal fines.
Even in these cases the poor will generally still be worse off. But it at least attempts to spread the pain more evenly.
Coriolanus
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Could always make the punishment be off-hours community service.
When deterrence is a concern, we use these kinds of gates down here
. Accidents near those tend to be nonexistent, evidently.
Generally placed near schools. Sadly, they're rare. Standard method is placing a sign giving a warning that there are cameras in that section, another stating the speed limit, and that's that.
Plus, y'know..
bobnowhere
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I immediately thought of our Minister for the Exploitation of the Environment as well!
This made me laugh far too much.
Unlucky, minister.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11357086
EDIT
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.theguardian.com/australi...t-to-putin-was-a-brain-snap-says-bill-shorten
Geelong/Lara staying a safe Labor seat, then!
BAHAHAHAHA I'm sure they never officially apologised.
Also shorten too spineless, should've just called out abbott and called him an idiot and embarrassment - oh wait they're both best buds with the USA so I guess they're in the same club anyways.
Yeah, Shorten really is as spineless and quiet as The Roast loved to make him out to be. Their last week overall was gold, TBH.
In other news, I heard on the radio this morning that the US and China are working on a climate change bill or something and they think this'll put the current Australian government in a "difficult" position. Fuck, I hope to heaven that's true.
In other news, I heard on the radio this morning that the US and China are working on a climate change bill or something and they think this'll put the current Australian government in a "difficult" position. Fuck, I hope to heaven that's true.
I actually know the guy and have had a number of fascinating interactions with him. Next time I see him is going be funny.
the pup experiment finally starts to fall apart federally
be sure to wear a shirt with the rothschild coat of arms on it the next time you meet him
Yep no apology and reparations only after a 8 years and a battle in the ICJ (the US settled to avoid legal liability)
NSW Foetal personhood law looks like failing thankfully: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/13/zoes-law-legal-abortion-nsw-risk-defeated?CMP=soc_568
I think this bill has been tainted by conspiracy theories,
Yeah, by such noted conspiracy theorists as the NSW Bar Association and the Australian Medical Association.
I think this bill has been tainted by conspiracy theories,
Yeah, by such noted conspiracy theorists as the NSW Bar Association and the Australian Medical Association.
bobnowhere
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Bizarre Abbot Speech to G20 (The Age)
Opening of the G20 and what does our fearless leader say, stopped the boats, axed the tax, they won't let me tear down Medicare etc... surprise he didn't throw in a "But Labor!"
Worst PM ever.
Opening of the G20 and what does our fearless leader say, stopped the boats, axed the tax, they won't let me tear down Medicare etc... surprise he didn't throw in a "But Labor!"
Worst PM ever.
Holy shit...
ConstructMe
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That was fucking stupid....other countries look up to our medical and uni fees. I thought he did well yesterday with cameron so its stupid he uses his time in the world spotlight to royally fuck it up.
shanshan310
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I am so SO embarrassed.
The Obama speech was pretty good, did anyone else watch it? Makes me wish we had politicians with public speaking skills or knowledge/interest in international affairs.
The Obama speech was pretty good, did anyone else watch it? Makes me wish we had politicians with public speaking skills or knowledge/interest in international affairs.
As we look around this glorious city, as we see the extraordinary development, its hard to think that back in 1788 it was nothing but bush and that the Marines, and the convicts and the sailors that struggled off those 12 ships just a few hundred yards from where we are must have thought theyd come almost to the Moon.
Everything would have been so strange. Everything would have seemed so extraordinarily basic and raw and now a city which is one of the most spectacular cities on our globe, and in a country which is as free and as fair and as prosperous as any."
shanshan310
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shanshan310
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I secrectly hope that Tony does something so politically stupid that he loses public support to a point where Malcolm goes for a leadership challenge. This seems far from happening unfortunately because most people don't really care what he does
If all he's done so far hasn't been enough...
ConstructMe
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Whats wrong with this tho? Its true the abboriginals did fuck all developement of the land compared to other indigenous peoples.
Because its the mindset that was used to force Aboriginal people off land, out of areas, and to treat them as little more then fauna.
Fences dont mark development.
The idea that 'the land was wasted' legitimizes taking the land. And forcing these people off their land.
We know that the Aboriginals were generally nomads, but they did have territory, tribes, languages... etc...
It wasnt the moon, it was a country with indiginous people with their own cultures who were massacred to make room for this developtment. Dont gloss over it.
ConstructMe
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Yeah i get you, but what else should he say to the british pm "you guys sure did a good job of fucking it up for the abboriginals"
Not mention it?
You don't be an asshole. Once again, he actually went on to basically glorify and justify British Imperialism by basically using a "terra nullius" argument that hasn't be valid for ages. While doing this, he's also dismissing Indigenous Australians, their history, and their culture in the process.
I don't believe for a second that David Cameron held a gun to his head or particularly cares about the first fleet. So there was a lot he could have said in that speech.
I secrectly hope that Tony does something so politically stupid that he loses public support to a point where Malcolm goes for a leadership challenge. This seems far from happening unfortunately because most people don't really care what he does
No we need this idiot to stay in power so the Libs can't pass any of their ridiculous policies. Remember even if he's gone the powerbrokers and the people who actually make these policies will still be there...
They put like everyone ahead of the greens!
They really, really don't want them to win do they?
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