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hirokazu

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Preferential voting needs a "fuck you" option. Like, you number however many you want and then the rest get nothing, so if all your preferences fail, your ballot is then void.
I thought that was how it already worked. If your voting intentions are unclear on your ballot paper, then they will count your votes for as long as your intents are actually clear before voiding your ballot.

EDIT: Looks like I was wrong. I was pretty sure this was the case at least for the Senate ballot.
 
I thought that was how it already worked. If your voting intentions are unclear on your ballot paper, then they will count your votes for as long as your intents are actually clear before voiding your ballot.

EDIT: Looks like I was wrong. I was pretty sure this was the case at least for the Senate ballot.

There are saving provisions, yes. Antony Green describes them briefly in his blog. http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen...e-common-questions-on-senate-voting.html#more
Antony Green said:
Q: What happens if I vote above and below the line?

A: The electoral act states that the below the line vote take precedence over the above the line vote. If the below the line vote proves to be informal, then the ballot paper will be 'saved' and be re-assigned to the ticket vote indicated above the line. The instructions on the ballot paper say you must vote above or below the line, but this savings provisions deals with what happens if you do both.

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Q: If I want to vote below the line, do I really have to vote for every candidate on the ballot paper? There are 110 in NSW!!

A: The act and the ballot paper instructions state that a below the line vote must have preferences for all candidates, but there are a couple of savings provisions. You only have to fill in 90% of squares, which in NSW means 99 preferences, and your vote will be able to survive up to three preference breaks, that is duplicated or missed numbers. But my advice is fill in all numbers and try to avoid errors.
 

Mohonky

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On the one hand, The Liberals plan for NBN is just ass backwards and will continue to put us further behind the rest of the world in internet speeds and pricing.

On the other hand, Labour will always back the Union wankers who are doing a mighty good job of turning away big industry players who dont want the problems of dealing with said wankers and their stupid demands and stand over tactics. I wouldnt have believed it until i started in construction myself, those Unions are a fucking joke and law unto themselves.

So pretty well getting fucked one way or another.
 
Its usually because people think the Greens policies are considerably more extreme than they are.
It's actually a pretty good example of the effectiveness of propaganda upon the uninformed voter, especially when it comes from a trusted source. Liberal, National and Family First ads going on about the "Extreme Greens" primes the listener to dismiss them before even considering what they have to say.

This is the first election where I actually dug into each party's policies (yes, even the Group C and Group U independents) and scrutinised them myself. I have to say that the "Extreme Greens" of myth and legend actually do exist, but that they're called the Socialist Equality Party.
 
This is the first election where I actually dug into each party's policies (yes, even the Group C and Group U independents) and scrutinised them myself. I have to say that the "Extreme Greens" of myth and legend actually do exist, but that they're called the Socialist Equality Party.

Speaking of whom, take a look at their preferences. At least here in QLD, their GVT is all but a donkey vote. One of the weirdest things I've ever seen in an election (outside of gaffes by politicians).
 

senahorse

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Voter support for Mr Abbott is 43 per cent (up three percentage points) compared to the prime minister's 41 per cent (down three points), the first time Mr Abbott has led Mr Rudd in their four-year rivalry, The Australian newspaper says.

Really? I get Rudd is long way from perfect but to prefer Tony Abbott...then again it is The Australian so who really knows.
 

wonzo

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wonzo

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I made it to about 30 seconds before I closed the tab. Does he actually get more eloquent and informative, or is the rest of the video just more of this "Rudd is a weak leader because he's back, and Tony Abbott is best for Australia because he's a strong leader...he just is" bullshit?
It's satire.
 

bomma_man

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Australia, you don't know how good you've got it.

In Australia the stimulus helped avoid a recession and saved up to 200,000 jobs. And new research shows that stimulus may have also actually reduced government debt over time. Evidence from the crisis suggests that, when the economy is weak, the long-run tax revenue benefits of keeping businesses afloat and people in work can be greater than the short-run expenditure on stimulus measures. That means that a well-targeted fiscal stimulus might actually reduce public debt in the long run.

Proponents of austerity ignore the fact that national debt is only one side of a country's balance sheet. We have to look at assets - investments - as well as liabilities. Cutting back on high-return investments just to reduce the deficit is misguided. If we are concerned with long-run prosperity, then focusing on debt alone is particularly foolish because the higher growth resulting from these public investments will generate more tax revenue and help to improve the long-term fiscal position.
Proposals for substantial budget cuts seem particularly misplaced at this time given that Australia's economy is confronting new global challenges. Commodity prices are softening and growth is slowing in many key export markets. Australia is already facing declining mining investment. The slowdown in economic growth is not the result of flaws in government policy, but of an adverse external environment. It would be a crime to compound these problems with domestic policy mistakes.

Assuming standard multipliers, cutting public spending by $70 billion from an economy the size of Australia's over a four-year period could reduce GDP growth by around 2 per cent and cost up to 90,000 jobs.
Instead of focusing mindlessly on cuts, Australia should instead seize the opportunity afforded by low global interest rates to make prudent public investments in education, infrastructure and technology that will deliver a high rate of return, stimulate private investment and allow businesses to flourish.

Fuck joe hockey
 
On the one hand, The Liberals plan for NBN is just ass backwards and will continue to put us further behind the rest of the world in internet speeds and pricing.

On the other hand, Labour will always back the Union wankers who are doing a mighty good job of turning away big industry players who dont want the problems of dealing with said wankers and their stupid demands and stand over tactics. I wouldnt have believed it until i started in construction myself, those Unions are a fucking joke and law unto themselves.

So pretty well getting fucked one way or another.

Looking at the minimum wage in the US and that it effectively allows businesses to subsidize crappy wages with taxpayer funded assistance tells me that if union/no union is the choice union is the lesser evil. That doesn't mean our power balance is necessarily right though.

Its funny that my doubts about the Labour/union relationship are pretty much opposite to yours: unions are fundamentally industry groups, they will happily back business over the public good as long as they aren't getting screwed in the immediate future (see Mining Tax).
 

Ripclawe

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...or-sinks-to-33pc/story-fnc6vkbc-1226708661603


Tony Abbott has overtaken Kevin Rudd as the nation’s preferred prime minister for the first time in their four-year rivalry as support for Labor fell to its lowest since Julia Gillard was removed.

Going into the last week of the election campaign, Labor’s primary vote support has slumped to 33 per cent – the lowest ever under Mr Rudd as Prime Minister – after Treasury and Finance repudiated the government’s claims on the cost of Coalition promises.

On a two-party-preferred basis, Labor is facing a swing against it of four percentage points since the 2010 election and now trails the Coalition 46 per cent to 54 per cent.
 

jey_16

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High speed rail! :D

I would be happy with a decent metro system here in Melbourne....when you see what railway networks they have in Asia and Europe, it's embrassing considering how rich Australia is, instead we are getting an $8b road tunnel that no one will use and will take up all the states infrastructure spending for the next decade, this the same tunnel that Tony Abbot will contribute federal funds to when he wins this Saturday
 

hirokazu

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I would be happy with a decent metro system here in Melbourne....when you see what railway networks they have in Asia and Europe, it's embrassing considering how rich Australia is, instead we are getting an $8b road tunnel that no one will use and will take up all the states infrastructure spending for the next decade, this the same tunnel that Tony Abbot will contribute federal funds to when he wins this Saturday

I thought the only infrastructure Abbott supported was buying Indonesian boats.
 

Dead Man

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This time next week, Abbot will be the PM. Ugh. Might have to move back to the US for a while, at least they are already fucked up so bad they can only get better. LOL. :(
 

Shaneus

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It frustrates me that it's only the minority that ever come across these sort of articles. I don't think I've ever seen an article like that or an interview with someone like that air on national TV during this political campaign.

Why doesn't somebody do that?!? If The Age or whatever had the headline "We Don't Know How Good We've Got It" it would shift public focus greatly.

The focus on issues that don't matter frustrate the living fuck out of me. Boats? Economic "crisis"? There are more strawmen this election than the world's biggest scarecrow factory.
 
From a vox pop puff piece on brisbanetimes I read because coverage of my most boring of electorates is so rare.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/fed...-cuts-sway-voters-in-ryan-20130829-2sso1.html

She said the Greens had the best asylum seeker policy, but she would not vote for them. "I don't think my vote will count if I vote for The Greens, so I will vote Labor but preference the Greens."

I hate to spout on about 'public ignorance' because I'm not a bloody misanthrope, but the regularity I hear opinions like this expressed about smaller parties is concerning. We have preferential voting, your vote will count. It'd be fantastic to see campaigns from someone like GetUp to educate on how voting works, because obviously the major parties won't.
 
From a vox pop puff piece on brisbanetimes I read because coverage of my most boring of electorates is so rare.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/fed...-cuts-sway-voters-in-ryan-20130829-2sso1.html



I hate to spout on about 'public ignorance' because I'm not a bloody misanthrope, but the regularity I hear opinions like this expressed about smaller parties is concerning. We have preferential voting, your vote will count. It'd be fantastic to see campaigns from someone like GetUp to educate on how voting works, because obviously the major parties won't.

Ouch. I feel sorry for that person. They mean well but their understanding is precisely opposite to reality.
 

Yagharek

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It frustrates me that it's only the minority that ever come across these sort of articles. I don't think I've ever seen an article like that or an interview with someone like that air on national TV during this political campaign.

Why doesn't somebody do that?!? If The Age or whatever had the headline "We Don't Know How Good We've Got It" it would shift public focus greatly.

The focus on issues that don't matter frustrate the living fuck out of me. Boats? Economic "crisis"? There are more strawmen this election than the world's biggest scarecrow factory.

It's the same principle as anti-vaccination/anti-fluoridated water psychopaths thrive on. If things are good or better than elsewhere, you cannot easily distinguish (if you're dim) exactly what works and how well it works because your teeth dont rot away in your mid 20s and your kids don't die from whooping cough or measles.

In a similar sense, we now have a national debt of something like 300 billion, but we don't know how bad it would be if the stimulus packages never happened. Would we be richer? Would we have 20% unemployment rates? A Recession We Needn't Have Had?

Austerity is an idea that has been tried the world over in response to the GFC. Only a handful of countries escaped with only minor scratches as a result of that widespread fraud by the financial system. We were one of them, the Government spent stimulus and all the fruitloops can say is "but look at the debt!"

If they didn't go into debt, how bad would things be now? We'll never know, but we can look at countries like England, Ireland, USA, Canada, New Zealand as a comparison and I say we're doing pretty fucking good.
 

Dead Man

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From a vox pop puff piece on brisbanetimes I read because coverage of my most boring of electorates is so rare.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/fed...-cuts-sway-voters-in-ryan-20130829-2sso1.html



I hate to spout on about 'public ignorance' because I'm not a bloody misanthrope, but the regularity I hear opinions like this expressed about smaller parties is concerning. We have preferential voting, your vote will count. It'd be fantastic to see campaigns from someone like GetUp to educate on how voting works, because obviously the major parties won't.

How do you get it backwards like that?
 

hirokazu

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It frustrates me that it's only the minority that ever come across these sort of articles. I don't think I've ever seen an article like that or an interview with someone like that air on national TV during this political campaign.

Why doesn't somebody do that?!? If The Age or whatever had the headline "We Don't Know How Good We've Got It" it would shift public focus greatly.

The focus on issues that don't matter frustrate the living fuck out of me. Boats? Economic "crisis"? There are more strawmen this election than the world's biggest scarecrow factory.

Indonesian boats = Sharia law = economic crisis. Western Sydney is fed up with this shit! This is what matters to those who'll vote in the government.
 
so did you guys stop those boats yet or what

So far we don't really seem interested in stopping the boats , so much as making sure they don't arrive in Australia , if we can save some money by denying refugees legal aid that also seems to be a plus.

I'm actually a bit confused about how this is going to work. I'm preeety sure that parts of Rudd's policy (let alone Abbot's) are extremely questionable given some of our commitments to the UN.
 

Shaneus

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It's the same principle as anti-vaccination/anti-fluoridated water psychopaths thrive on. If things are good or better than elsewhere, you cannot easily distinguish (if you're dim) exactly what works and how well it works because your teeth dont rot away in your mid 20s and your kids don't die from whooping cough or measles.

In a similar sense, we now have a national debt of something like 300 billion, but we don't know how bad it would be if the stimulus packages never happened. Would we be richer? Would we have 20% unemployment rates? A Recession We Needn't Have Had?

Austerity is an idea that has been tried the world over in response to the GFC. Only a handful of countries escaped with only minor scratches as a result of that widespread fraud by the financial system. We were one of them, the Government spent stimulus and all the fruitloops can say is "but look at the debt!"

If they didn't go into debt, how bad would things be now? We'll never know, but we can look at countries like England, Ireland, USA, Canada, New Zealand as a comparison and I say we're doing pretty fucking good.
It seems somewhat appropriate, but I was just reading this from GetUp in my inbox:
Shane,

If polls are any indication, it's increasingly likely that Tony Abbott will be Prime Minister this time next week.

But that's only one election. The other is for the Senate -- through which Tony Abbott would have to pass every single law to enact his vision for Australia: his vision for refugees, his proposals to weaken environmental protections, and to cut renewable energy.

The current polls are clear: the Coalition could gain control of the Senate too, giving one party a rubber stamp Senate. We can't let that happen. Our democracy is strongest when there are lots of voices in the Senate who can ensure debate and scrutiny.

This empowering ad, with your help, will help voters understand that. Our research is clear: this is the best message we have to prevent a scenario where one party has absolute control.

www.getup.org.au/vote-twice

The equation is simple: if any Prime Minister has a majority in the Senate too, it will rubber stamp every law she or he writes immediately. If there is a range of voices, legislation is scrutinised, negotiated, rejected and amended.

The last time a PM had a Senate majority was during the final years of John Howard. That gave us WorkChoices, the NT intervention, and the sell-off of Telstra -- with scarcely enough time for the Senate to read the bills, let alone scrutinise them. What will Tony Abbott do, given a blank cheque?

It doesn't matter which party you support. One party control is bad for democracy.

Some Senate seats, including Western Australia, ACT, South Australia and NSW will come down to literally a few thousand votes. That could be the difference between the Greens and/or Independent Senator Nick Xenophon holding Tony Abbott accountable, or a conservative rubber stamp.

So it's incredibly important, for every single issue we care about, that voters see this ad.

www.getup.org.au/vote-twice

Here's what we know:

We made a few different ads, all informing voters about the Senate, and the power of their vote. We asked professional researchers to test them across the country. This ad was by far the most effective. Voters from across the political spectrum said it was empowering, positive, and mind-changing.
Western Australia and South Australia are the closest Senate races around at the moment.
Those states are also smaller media markets that together, we can really saturate. With your help, this ad can be played more than many of the parties' commercials in these crucial final two weeks - for instance in Perth with your support could ensure 70% of voters see our message over 3 times. If we raise enough money, we can take it into other states and territories too.

It's a positive, informative, empowering message. We tested it, and we know it works. We only have 4 days left to advertise on air, so it's cr ucial that we all chip in now. What do you think?

www.getup.org.au/vote-twice

Without absolute control of the Senate, Tony Abbott won't be able to abolish climate policies and renewable energy funding, slash and burn jobs in the public service, or cut penalty rates and overtime without the agreement of the other parties.

But most Australians don't know about the importance of their vote in the Senate. This ad could change all that, which is why we've engaged research firms to test it so thoroughly in the areas where Senate races will come down to the wire. We needed to be sure the message would be understood, empowering and move people. It does.

Now, all that's standing between those voters and this message, that could stop Tony Abbott's rubber stamp for his vision, is your help getting it on the TV.

Click here to chip in to get it shown -- because we all remember from John Howard's day just how important a balanced Senate is.

Thanks for standing up for the Senate once again,
The GetUp team

PS -- GetUp was launched the very day John Howard took control of the Senate -- a day that gave him a rubber stamp for every law he wanted to pass. Now GetUp members are needed to prevent that from happening under Tony Abbott. Click here to get this ad on air.
I can't find a copy of that email (with the appropriate links) on their website, but I guess if you or anyone else is curious:
https://www.getup.org.au/
 

bomma_man

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From a vox pop puff piece on brisbanetimes I read because coverage of my most boring of electorates is so rare.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/fed...-cuts-sway-voters-in-ryan-20130829-2sso1.html



I hate to spout on about 'public ignorance' because I'm not a bloody misanthrope, but the regularity I hear opinions like this expressed about smaller parties is concerning. We have preferential voting, your vote will count. It'd be fantastic to see campaigns from someone like GetUp to educate on how voting works, because obviously the major parties won't.

Even some of my decently educated friends (including my girlfriend who's currently doing a masters) don't understand this.
 

DrSlek

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Has anyone here ever been contacted to answer a political poll? I never have and don't know anyone who has.

Aren't most of these polls done via landline phones? That would effectively skew the results against younger voters, many of which do not have landline phones, but VoIP or mobiles instead.
 
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