Man was just listening to Turnbull and Albanese on Triple J's Hack program. Malcolm trying to justify dat internet filter saying it's not so bad, IT'S LIKE ENGLANDS! Also just deflected anything about the costings of Libs broadband plan, just saying wow how expensive is NBN. Didn't even sound convinced. Our internet is fucked.
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TheHeretic
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I think people are overreacting to a Liberal victory here. It isn't a mandate to go bananas and Labours internal politics is too unstable for them to reliably Govern with credibility. The country survived just fine under Howard, calm the fuck down.
Posts something really stupid and ineloquent about a group of people.
Wonders why said group of people want to take revenge.
Well, hopefully this provides social media with the crucial "other side" the next time they think about doxxing someone (hi Q&A pastor)
SEEEEEEE!!!!!!
But it's about what we could have had... true broadband... marriage equality...
shanshan310
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You don't think a political party harassing and stalking some guy who made a pretty inoffensive website in his own spare time that happened to say some mean things about them is problematic? NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO DISAGREE.
Exactly. The guy AND HIS ASSOCIATES got threats over this FROM THE FUTURE GOVERNMENT! For voicing his opinion on their policies!
Last night you were arguing for freedom of speech so Bolt can be racist. Now you are victim blaming. Jesus.
It is wrong. But I do find it VERY rich that social media is complaining about stalking and posting the personal info of someone who's said something highly confronting.
As I said, it is wrong what has happened.
toddhunter
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Just for those playing at home, the plan to buy boats seems to more feasible and well thought out than this internet filtering idea.
There is no chance it would ever happen as described.
http://www.zdnet.com/au/coalition-confirms-internet-filtering-by-default-7000020272/
There is no chance it would ever happen as described.
http://www.zdnet.com/au/coalition-confirms-internet-filtering-by-default-7000020272/
What was confronting about it bar the use of possible offensive language ?
TheHeretic
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Gay marriage can be done at the state level, and anyway winning that debate is about culture, not law. As far as the Internet is concerned, Liberal voters tend to be older and more rural, it's about constituencies interests. Besides, look at whats going around the world as this election takes place. Australia is at the absolute high end of functional and competent politics, and that would be true under either Government.
shanshan310
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Fair enough. I generally think harassing people and posting personal info online is a shitty thing to do anyway. A political party doing it though is just unbelievably fucked up.
The liberal campaign has been full of people saying stupid and ineloquent (sic) things; where are the anonymous calls to them?
yes, that totally justifies a political party outright harassing a critic no matter how inelegant they may be.
jesus christ party hacks really will defend anything
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shitheads on social media are simply not comparable to an actual political party actively harassing someone
toddhunter
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The biggest shame about Abbott winning is we will not get to see a Latham-esque epic meltdown.
What? It's got everything to do with law. The culture is already there, the people want it. The law isn't there, that's why Rudd wants to instate it.
shanshan310
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If he does lose I look forward to more head bobbling.
Box of Bunnies
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What happened to "free speech, shouldn't be sued to oblivion, yadda yadda"?
Fake edit: Beaten
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It was a disgusting leftist pig daring to attack Ventron's precious LibNats.
I'd be happy with this:
House of Representatives: Tony Windsor
Senate: Rob Oakeshott
No others needed. Best parliament ever. Question time would be productive and cordial. Reviews would be thorough and thoughtful.
Nick Xenephon could be the President in the Senate and Bob Katter could be Speaker and wear his hat in the chamber.
House of Representatives: Tony Windsor
Senate: Rob Oakeshott
No others needed. Best parliament ever. Question time would be productive and cordial. Reviews would be thorough and thoughtful.
Nick Xenephon could be the President in the Senate and Bob Katter could be Speaker and wear his hat in the chamber.
Huh? I was under the impression "marriage" is a s51 exclusive federal power.
shanshan310
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love it.
Ugh. Perhaps I need to elaborate.
Just as people in this thread are angry over Andrew Bolt's writings...
...the LNP are angry over that image. They've gone too far by essentially doxxing her (him? Jesse is a confusing name) but still this is different than going to court over that image in the hope that will censor it.
TheHeretic
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I don't think so. Tasmania and the ACT came close to passing gay marriage, Tasmania very recently. Unless I'm mistaken about the legality of those bills.
Freedom of speech... something something something.
Any way you look at it it's pretty fucked up behaviour from the Libs.
OK, I'll deal with this one more time.
What part of that post is contradictory to freedom of speech?
Why? The question was essentially "how should we determine who qualifies for Indigenous-only welfare programs?"
Whoa there! You mad, bro.
Box of Bunnies
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I think the fundamental issue with the comparison you're trying to draw is that one is a legitimate, if crudely expressed, statement of political facts while the other was "at what point does a brownie stop being brown and just become a regular bludger instead?"
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A More Normal Bird
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Yes it is different. The former is much worse than the latter, especially since the latter would not succeed in the courts. Furthermore, what do you think the goal of these threats and intimidation are if not censorship?
Don't get me wrong, generally I don't believe in censorship unless it's malicious. However when it comes to Andrew Bolt I wouldn't blink an eyelid if he got censored for the rest of his life.
CrazedProfessional
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To cut Labor waste.
Here's the .Hack podcast with Albo v Turnbull.
worth it for Turnbull getting asked about the filter which has been dubbed #malware
worth it for Turnbull getting asked about the filter which has been dubbed #malware
Andrew Bolt said:
Was it a question posed in a legitimate spirit of discussion, or a series of half-baked, malicious, derisory accusations with a disclaimer tacked on the end to escape the consequences of his actions?
This fundamental issue shouldn't change based on how it is expressed.
They're both bad, don't get me wrong, but at least with the former the image is not forced to be taken down because it falls foul of the law. Jesse can talk about this experience to only make this image's reach wider. If it went to court, he/she would need to strictly stay silent especially while the case was ongoing.
Oh, I made a mistake - State and Commonwealth hold marriage as a concurrent power, (s51(xxi)) though obviously Commonwealth legislation trumps the states (s109). That said, from memory, the current Marriage Act 1961 defines marriage as being between a man and a woman (after Howard's amendment in 2004)... ah, I see. The Tassie bill avoided the legislative word 'marriage' and tried to sneak it in under a substantially similar definition. Sneaky!
I think you may be mistaken about what those bills do. The NSW state parliament (lib by a huge margin) passed a guy marriage bill a little while back, but the effect of the bill was basically "federal parliament will you please allow gay marriage". Almost entirely symbolic.
The part where a political party threatens an individual for speaking?
Oh god, I think I'm literally going to throw up. Or faint. I've never been more fucking worried for the well-being of our country than I do now.
Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.
Actually... wouldn't working outside the law be a far worse form of censorship? Bolt had his day in court. What's this dude gonna do against unknown people who threaten his career and involve his friends and family? Sue?
Trust is a funny thing. I don't trust Malcolm. Never have.
http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/m...ed-to-mandatory-internet-filters#.UihRbcs_7qB
http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/m...ed-to-mandatory-internet-filters#.UihRbcs_7qB
No no, don't you seem that is totally fine, as long as we don't have processes for thing, the powerful can bully the weak and everything will work itself out because people can tell their side of the story....
Basically: we posted the wrong policy. Sorry.
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