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Australian woman calls 911, shot dead by responding police in Minneapolis

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HowZatOZ

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poppabk said:
My old HOA had its own police department who could enforce HOA rules. Armed police enforcing no decorations on your mailbox ordinances.
It actually seemed to work pretty well.
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America is completely backwards when it comes to their police force. At least we in Australia teach ours to be actual decent keepers of peace and not murderers of citizens.
 
Ozzy Onya A2Z

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Apparently the officer's neighbour spoke up...

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...t/news-story/f333feea868f917497fbed27af9bd0df

Forklift driver Chris Miller, 49, told News Corp Australia he knew Noor as a nervous individual with a misogynistic attitude. “He is extremely nervous ... he is a little jumpy ... he doesn’t really respect women, the least thing you say to him can set him off,” he said. “When they say a policeman shot an Australian lady I thought ‘Uh, oh’ but then when they said who it was I was like, OK.” The neighbour said he had seen Noor yelling at local children in a playground, and that he believed the man had “little respect for blacks and kids”. “He has an air like you just couldn’t really be around him,” he said.
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andythinkpad

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Hurricane_Chris said:
Individually, I do not that this is a true statement.

The average IQ range for humans is 70-130 (95%).

The average US cop's IQ is somewhere around 102.

In 1994 there was a study of Los Angeles gang members in "leadership" positions that were arrested and convicted. I can't find the study at the moment but that cohort had an IQ of like 115 or 116 (Can't remember which).

I know what happens when you assume, but given this one might be tempted to assume that, individually, rank and file gang members are probably of similar intelligence to rank and file cops.

It is true, however, that police have better infrastructure and a lot of smart help.


As an aside, check out the case of Robert Jordan. He tried to become a cop but was denied because his IQ was deemed too high. People with IQs that are too high are frequently turned down.
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You are really going to do this?

The police doesn't need to have higher average IQ than average American (never mind the gangs). The police only need to have higher IQ in the upper management. American urban police departments are paramilitary organizations that follow chain of commands. The rank and file police officer don't get to make decision when dealing with gangs.
 
The Faceless Master

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GHG said:
How the fuck does it go from code 4 to the innocent woman who called the police getting shot by the police in the space of 2 minutes?

RIP to this poor woman.

This is going to set a horrible precident whereby innocent people will be reluctant to call the police to report incidents or to try and get help for other people.
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innocent people have been reluctant to call the police since their inception.
 
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JohnMatrix

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Doesn't look good for this officer who shot her... mysteriously no camera evidence available and he won't cooperate with investigators or say anything to the public

The window to claim it was an accident seems to be closing pretty fast
 
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SolidSnakex

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Philando Castile's mom has now met with the family at a rally

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TheThreadsThatBindUs

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Gattsu25 said:
Heartwarming, but sad all the same. All those names are people whose futures were snuffed out for no reason :(
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Oh there was a reason... a US police officer didn't feel safe.

In America that's a good enough reason for an unarmed innocent person to be murdered and for the perpetrating officer to get off scott free.
 
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Hurricane_Chris

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andythinkpad said:
You are really going to do this?

The police doesn't need to have higher average IQ than average American (never mind the gangs). The police only need to have higher IQ in the upper management. American urban police departments are paramilitary organizations that follow chain of commands. The rank and file police officer don't get to make decision when dealing with gangs.
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Given the extreme disparity in resources available to the average American criminal or group of American criminals compared to police organizations throughout the country you'd think they'd have a much higher clear rate than they actually do. I haven't gone through the data carefully, but the national homicide clear rate has been under 67% for the last 10 years. Much worse for other types of crime. If management was indeed significantly smarter, you'd think they'd have protocols that leverage their vast advantages to have better numbers.

Of course, if one were to play devil's advocate, one might argue that management is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Argue that the low clear rates are intentional. Solve just enough crimes so that you aren't perceived as totally incompetent, but leave enough unsolved so that there is enough fear to keep the forces that control budgets willing to keep the wallet open.

Hmm...
 
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Figboy79

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Man, this just breaks my heart and pisses me off so much. Fucking absurd. There's a chance this cop could actually do some time since he didn't shoot a black person, but I'm not holding my breath on it.

The previous posts of Philando's family meeting with Justine's family, and all of the support for and from BLM and the victim's family is touching, but it shouldn't have even been a need to happen for any of these families. Just heartbreaking and infuriating.

Cowards with guns and a badge. There eventually has to come to a point where "I feared for my life," stops being an effective excuse. These men and women are trained to be granite in the face of danger. If they aren't cut out for the job, stop giving them a badge and a gun. This killer sounds like a piece of work, and it's a god damned shame someone had to die because of it.
 
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SecretMoblin

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ErasureAcer said:
MPD chief Janee Harteau resigns.
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Yep, the mayor who has complete control over the MPD per the city's charter asked for the resignation and got it. City council wants oversight. Harteau decided to finish her vacation before coming back to work.

What they're hearing and the way they're acting, they know shit's gonna go down.
 
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ErasureAcer

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Protestors demanding Mayor Hodges resign. She's up for reelection this fall. She finished third in Democratic Endorsement process before this murder. With Ranked Choice Voting for municipal elections she stands no chance at winning.

People want her head now.

Also in the news lately in MPLS is a cop shooting 2 dogs in a backyard because they were charging at him, video from house and his cam say the dogs were just being dogs...nothing hostile, just running and stopped 10 feet away.
 
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NewGame

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Stinkles said:
Do you know how many police departments that the US has? No? Because neither does the US.

We are literally unsure how many police departments we have in total.

Like.

Wtf.
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The heck, how can you not know? Do you know how counting works?

...Or is there no one policing the police?
 
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MCN

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EGM1966 said:
She was a meditation and yoga teacher: good luck with that.

Heads have rolled already - there's no hiding this incident particularly as it's non US citizen too meaning international coverage.
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Funny how heads only start to roll when it's a white woman that was killed.
 
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EGM1966

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MCN said:
Funny how heads only start to roll when it's a white woman that was killed.
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Non American too.

It's not strictly fair to other victims but as I said I don't see this being easy to brush aside.

Still - more attention on these kinds of incident are good.
 
Mohonky

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MCN said:
Funny how heads only start to roll when it's a white woman that was killed.
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Go read earlier in the thread, more white people are shot by police than anyone else.

This is getting headline news in Australia and they are still covering it as well as many articles covering the US approach to police training and use of force.

Thats why heads are being rolled over this, the use of force by the police involved an international and so international scrutiny is being placed on the incident.
 
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BrassDragon

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As a Dutch cop, it took me 10 months and several exams (including exhaustive testing of vehicle scenarios) before I was firearms certified and then I still had several years of training before I was fully qualified for the job.

But man, even a poorly educated nitwit should know that firing a gun at close quarters, from an awkward seated angle, across your own and a friendly's body, through a car door and into a poorly identified target with no sense of background is, you know, ridiculously dangerous for everyone? How much training do you need for basic safety comprehension?

This looks like a failure of selection, values and policy, not education.
 
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F34R

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BrassDragon said:
As a Dutch cop, it took me 10 months and several exams (including exhaustive testing of vehicle scenarios) before I was firearms certified and then I still had several years of training before I was fully qualified for the job.

But man, even a poorly educated nitwit should know that firing a gun at close quarters, from an awkward seated angle, across your own and a friendly's body, through a car door and into a poorly identified target with no sense of background is, you know, ridiculously dangerous for everyone? How much training do you need for basic safety comprehension?

This looks like a failure of selection, values and policy, not education.
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The problem is a lot of training is done on the job. Just for perspective, my academy time in South Carolina (USA) was 9 weeks. That's all it took for me to be a certified police officer. Firearms training.. one week. We had eight tests throughout the academy. Legal exam was 100 questions, and that was weeks 1 and 2. We took the 100 question test at the end of the second week. After that, 1 test per week. The last two weeks were firearms training and driver training.

Our academy now goes for 13 weeks. It's a decent amount different compared to when I went through at 9 weeks. I would say 3/4 of my class wouldn't have made it through the new academy vs the current academy.

That being said, even our measly one week firearms training, it would have a least covered the dangers of how this scenario presents itself. I would have exited the vehicle, using it for cover, and identified the target. Not shoot across a body, my partner. Shout verbal commands while accessing the threat, firing if needed.
 
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danthefan

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F34R said:
The problem is a lot of training is done on the job. Just for perspective, my academy time in South Carolina (USA) was 9 weeks. That's all it took for me to be a certified police officer. Firearms training.. one week. We had eight tests throughout the academy. Legal exam was 100 questions, and that was weeks 1 and 2. We took the 100 question test at the end of the second week. After that, 1 test per week. The last two weeks were firearms training and driver training.

Our academy now goes for 13 weeks. It's a decent amount different compared to when I went through at 9 weeks. I would say 3/4 of my class wouldn't have made it through the new academy vs the current academy.

That being said, even our measly one week firearms training, it would have a least covered the dangers of how this scenario presents itself. I would have exited the vehicle, using it for cover, and identified the target. Not shoot across a body, my partner. Shout verbal commands while accessing the threat, firing if needed.
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9 weeks, smh.

I live in Ireland, the police are unarmed here mostly, some are but the guys on the street aren't. Basic training is 34 weeks I think.
 
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Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
American cops should under no circumstances be allowed to turn off their cameras while on duty or hell even off duty.
 
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BrassDragon

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F34R said:
The problem is a lot of training is done on the job. Just for perspective, my academy time in South Carolina (USA) was 9 weeks. That's all it took for me to be a certified police officer. Firearms training.. one week. We had eight tests throughout the academy. Legal exam was 100 questions, and that was weeks 1 and 2. We took the 100 question test at the end of the second week. After that, 1 test per week. The last two weeks were firearms training and driver training.

Our academy now goes for 13 weeks. It's a decent amount different compared to when I went through at 9 weeks. I would say 3/4 of my class wouldn't have made it through the new academy vs the current academy.

That being said, even our measly one week firearms training, it would have a least covered the dangers of how this scenario presents itself. I would have exited the vehicle, using it for cover, and identified the target. Not shoot across a body, my partner. Shout verbal commands while accessing the threat, firing if needed.
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9-13 weeks... man, that's a raw deal when you have to cram in all the legal, tactical and mechanical components of the training. On the job training is highly valuable of course but from a didactic perspective, very hard to do with quality control and consistency.

Hard enough to stay safe without worrying if your buddies are up to the task.
 
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commedieu

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danthefan said:
9 weeks, smh.

I live in Ireland, the police are unarmed here mostly, some are but the guys on the street aren't. Basic training is 34 weeks I think.
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That's because there is accountability when you screw up in Ireland/Uk/most first world nations. That largely doesn't exist in America. This, one, is making headlines. But we already have about 10-20 this year. Same shit. With outcomes of police walking from justice, and taxpayers paying the family millions.

Theres no reason for actual training here , training is to avoid conflicts, figuring out all of the facts before acting. Our police get old Iraq tanks and armored vehicles. The American public is treated like threats to them just waiting to blow all of them up. Or walking fines for their quotas. The wild west culture still permeates America. That's why police are praised for putting down criminals, armed or unarmed. Kid or man. If you cross the law, that's your fault. Even when they're planting drugs. Or shooting you live on camera because they feared for their life.

Despite the fact that we all have guns here, 170 police officers die in average a year. The biggest killer is traffic accidents, and heart attacks. There is no war on police here for them to fear any noise like they're in vietnam.

Police training here amounts to damn near a honor system. And even if you screw up, the police unions protect you from trouble, and he public backs up that status of invincibility, when it's aimed at the poor or brown.
 
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F34R

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BrassDragon said:
9-13 weeks... man, that's a raw deal when you have to cram in all the legal, tactical and mechanical components of the training. On the job training is highly valuable of course but from a didactic perspective, very hard to do with quality control and consistency.

Hard enough to stay safe without worrying if your buddies are up to the task.
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My other post was "best case". What makes it scary, and I don't agree with it at all, is that you can still be a police officer in South Carolina for a time without even going to the academy. You can be hired today, no academy training at all, and be a police officer. You'll eventually have to go to the academy of course.

When I first started out, I got hired. I figured I would be on a desk or something; at the very most, I'd ride with a certified officer. NOPE. I was given a gun, a badge, a car, and there I was out on the streets. Every day I did some mediocre training, kinda giving me a general idea of what to do. Thank God I had enough common sense in my brain to deal with things in a good way until I actually went to the academy. I was on the streets for two months before going to the academy. I only got in because someone from another agency got fired and his spot opened up at the academy. Otherwise, I wasn't expected to be at the academy until August. I started in Jan.

commedieu said:
That's because there is accountability when you screw up in Ireland/Uk/most first world nations. That largely doesn't exist in America. This, one, is making headlines. But we already have about 10-20 this year. Same shit. With outcomes of police walking from justice, and taxpayers paying the family millions.

Theres no reason for actual training here , training is to avoid conflicts, figuring out all of the facts before acting. Our police get old Iraq tanks and armored vehicles. The American public is treated like threats to them just waiting to blow all of them up. Or walking fines for their quotas. The wild west culture still permeates America. That's why police are praised for putting down criminals, armed or unarmed. Kid or man. If you cross the law, that's your fault. Even when they're planting drugs. Or shooting you live on camera because they feared for their life.

Despite the fact that we all have guns here, 170 police officers die in average a year. The biggest killer is traffic accidents, and heart attacks. There is no war on police here for them to fear any noise like they're in vietnam.

Police training here amounts to damn near a honor system. And even if you screw up, the police unions protect you from trouble, and he public backs up that status of invincibility, when it's aimed at the poor or brown.
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You take statistics and make it seem like you even have a clue as to how it is on the streets.
 
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Derwind

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Mesousa said:
Its really no shock really.

Tale as old as time whether its in Nairobi,London,Toronto, or Minneapolis. There is a clear, and vocal, hatred of other black groups by Somalis. I bet he would take pride in going around yelling at black kids.
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Edit; Fuck it, not worth the ban.
 
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III-V

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F34R said:
When I first started out, I got hired. I figured I would be on a desk or something; at the very most, I'd ride with a certified officer. NOPE. I was given a gun, a badge, a car, and there I was out on the streets. Every day I did some mediocre training, kinda giving me a general idea of what to do. Thank God I had enough common sense in my brain to deal with things in a good way until I actually went to the academy. I was on the streets for two months before going to the academy. I only got in because someone from another agency got fired and his spot opened up at the academy. Otherwise, I wasn't expected to be at the academy until August. I started in Jan.
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What? This is so insane. What checks were done before hire if you don't mind?
 
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F34R

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III-V said:
What? This is so insane. What checks were done before hire if you don't mind?
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FBI background check is mandatory just for the academy itself. Honestly, I had an interview and had to complete a physical. That's specific for my department. Nothing else beyond consideration based on my application. Other departments had different procedures for hiring. Some require a 4yr college degree, along with polygraph, psych eval, FBI check, are in some departments. The State requires all that if you were to be in State Transport Police, State Highway Patrol, etc.

We hired on young fella. 21, just out of college with his 4yr Criminal Justice Degree. Smart as can be. Pretty good guy to meet. When he was on the streets, hell no. He was too scared. He couldn't qualify with a weapon either. He never held a gun before. He was hitting the ground a few yards in front of him. Before being put out there at the qualify range, he was patrolling thought. We were called to a burglary in progress. Get to the mobile home, and I told him to stay on the back door just in case the perp runs out. I got to the front door. This guy bolts out of the front door as I approached it. He takes off running, I give chase. We ran RIGHT BY my "new partner". He thought he was supposed to literally stay at the back door. I ran the perp down, tackled him, YELLED for my backup while I had a little ground game with the bad guy. Got the guy cuffed. Walked him back to the car, and my "new guy" was still standing at the back door.

Right now, I'm about to put my convictions to the test with my previous department that I retired from. A new cop gave a guy a ticket, that is wrong for sure. He came to me because he trusts my opinion. If I told him the ticket was valid, he would just pay for it. I'm going to talk to the chief, whom I've known for 20 years, and get them to drop the ticket or reduce it to what it's supposed to be. If they don't, I'll attend the court date with this guy and help him with his defense. We'll see if they treat me like shit after I shame the cop for A. not knowing his job well, or B. he knows he is wrong but doesn't think they guy will fight it. It's a $750 ticket, and should be a $25 ticket at most.
 
TheShocker

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III-V said:
What? This is so insane. What checks were done before hire if you don't mind?
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I'm a cop in a different part of the country, but I had to complete an application that contained the same information I used for my secret clearance in the military. I had to complete a physical agility test, a written test, an oral interview, a polygraph, a background investigation, a psychological exam, a health physical, and an interview with the chief. Then I completed a 16 week Academy, followed by an additional seven weeks of in-house training. Then I did an additional 15 weeks of field training. The whole process from turning in my application to being on my own was about a year.
 
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