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[Dingens]

that's "better than expected... better as in, the fucking övp "only" got 30%
SPÖ and FPÖ are probably going to trade places after the votes from bigger cities are counted

What rubs me the wrong way is that (all) these parties had the choice between several alternative propagandas, with at least one of them which could have depicted the migrants favourably. These alterantive propagandas could have had done the job. [...]

nope, this would not have worked. Not anymore. The images and experiences from the crisis are vastly different when compared to the German case for example.
like 1/3rd of the entire country lives close to the eastern border, the main entry point for most refugees. This made them VERY visible to most of the population. I've been told by practically everyone I know that they saw "hordes of people" walk west-wards on the highways. Didn't help that Hungary sent them in droves, which meant that groups of 5.000 to 15.000 people a day walked through border villages with like <2.000 inhabitants. Those were incredibly powerful images.
And then there's the responsibility issue. As a neutral, non-nato country, people feel like they have to pay for the shit others are causing (and I can somewhat sympathize with that).


edt: OE24 is a shitty source
orf says
ÖVP, 30,2, FPÖ 26,8, SPÖ 26,3

error margin is still 2,4%
so... nothing is decided (yet)

 

[spidye]

Yo yo, calm down there.
The people in here are not responsible and are probably rightfully most pissed.

Edit:
Oh yeah, fucked this.

My comment was not against people in this forum of course.
Just a general discontent to the results

 

[Zatoth]

 

[Westbahnhof]

My comment was not against people in this forum of course.
Just a general discontent to the results

Oh sure, just saying. We did our best, and it wasn't good enough. Woohoooooo

Give me that Schwankungsbreite, please.
Take some of that blue and other blue and make it red. Even if it barely matters.

that's "better than expected... better as in, the fucking övp "only" got 30%
SPÖ and FPÖ are probably going to trade places after the votes from bigger cities are counted

Wouldn't they have accounted for that in the prognosis?

 

[Zatoth]

At least SPÖ seems to be doing better than I expected them to.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

 

[SporeCrawler]

can anyone tell me why kurz is so popular? i mean kudos to that guy for getting this far with such an young age but he doesnt seem to be promoting any values that young voters would like and for old voters i could imagine he comes accross as a “piefke”

is it because he looks so good?

 

[mavericktopgun]

Dear god no...

Please at least SPÖ on second place... Not FPÖ.

 

[ilium]

fucking hell

 

[Ac30]

If this is accurate, they won't have the 2/3 majority needed for constitutional amendments then.

Guess Kurz's dream of making the chancellor more powerful is dead. Phew.

 

[Dingens]

can anyone tell me why kurz is so popular? i mean kudos to that guy for getting this far with such an young age but he doesnt seem to be promoting any values that young voters would like and for old voters i could imagine he comes accross as a “piefke”

is it because he looks so good?

he's young

Spoiler

no, srsly, that's the reason I got when asking people why they'd vote for him

 

[KingSnake]

The biggest loser in this elections, beside Austria, is the green party. Split in two they get 7 less mandates together.

 

[spidye]

We have learned aboslutely nothing from karl heinz grasser and schwarz blau

Absolutely nothing

 

[Zatoth]

We have learned aboslutely nothing from karl heinz grasser and schwarz blau

Absolutely nothing

I guess it is true what they say. Voters do get dumber from experience.

 

[Tunoku]

Yeah the Green party is in shambles and it's impossible to vote for them at the moment. Well, everything is kinda in shambles.

 

[Dingens]

We have learned aboslutely nothing from karl heinz grasser and schwarz blau

Absolutely nothing

I've learned that prosecutor will be a valuable job in the next 10 years

 

[anonymous_abc]

.

 

[Fliesen]

Meh, at least it's not a two-thirds majority...

 

[Zatoth]

I despise Kurz/ÖVP so much, I'd rather have SPÖ/FPÖ working together. Can't believe I'd say that. lol

 

[Fliesen]

I despise Kurz/ÖVP so much, I'd rather have SPÖ/FPÖ working together. Can't believe I'd say that. lol

Well, of course - because red+blue would be a tug-of-war coalition, while black+blue is pure right-wing politics

I mean, just half a year ago we were looking at the possibility of the FPÖ being the MOST voted party...

 

[Zaru]

I've learned that prosecutor will be a valuable job in the next 10 years

I am confident that a new SchwarzBlau will be able to out-corrupt the previous iteration even if you adjust for inflation!

 

[Mivey]

If this is accurate, they won't have the 2/3 majority needed for constitutional amendments then.

Guess Kurz's dream of making the chancellor more powerful is dead. Phew.

Well, the last guestimate of mandates I saw gave the ÖVP 57 and the FPÖ 51, so 108. With 183 seats, a two thirds majority would need over 122.
Seems like the constitution is safe at least.
According to new estimates, ÖVP 63 and FPÖ 51. That's 114. Closer, but still a ways of.

 

[Lilalaunebaer]

 

[Westbahnhof]

Whyy GREEN 3.9% prognosis jesus fuck

 

[mavericktopgun]

SPÖ now on 2. place. FPÖ on 3.

 

[chadskin]

SPÖ now on 2. place. FPÖ on 3.

&#128588;

 

[Dr.Phibes]

Well deserved. Now please leave the EU asap.

 

[mavericktopgun]

&#128588;

I'd prefer SPÖ 1, NEOS 2, Pilz 3 lol

 

[Westbahnhof]

Well deserved. Now please leave the EU asap.

Over my dead body

Spoiler

I'll drink myself to death

 

[KingSnake]

Green currently out. That's damn sad.

 

[Deleted member 57681]

Green currently out. That's damn sad.

But damn deserved, and I say that as a former Green voter. Should have never let Pilz go.

 

[Dr.Phibes]

Over my dead body

Spoiler

I'll drink myself to death

I'll join you.

 

[KingSnake]

Well deserved. Now please leave the EU asap.

Why?

 

[Dingens]

I wonder if the SPÖ also cannibalized some of the green votes

 

[Bollocks]

Whyy GREEN 3.9% prognosis jesus fuck

serves them right, for being this incompetent.
Green politics are not exactly hot right now but you still axe the one longstanding respected(even outside of his party) member for no reason, he then creates his own party and eats their lunch, hihi

 

[demondays]

We have learned aboslutely nothing from karl heinz grasser and schwarz blau

Absolutely nothing

so people have to remember a 15+ year old story while they are not allowed to learn from the last 4 years? red black was trouble for many years now, yet when people react with their votes they are "stupid"? opinions dont only work in 1 side ;-)
red changed nothing, black is rstarting.
lets see where this will go and in case of need in 4-5 years people WILL remember...

 

[Deleted member 57681]

Also Neos really can't be too happy with that result. They didn't grow at all, which is pretty damning for such a young party.

 

[demondays]

Also Neos really can't be too happy with that result. They didn't grow at all, which is pretty damning for such a young party.

considering it was not sure if they even get 4% they should be ok with it

 

[Dr.Phibes]

Why?

You don't deserve it.

Spoiler

/s kinda

I'm almost at a point where I hope the EU dissolves and France and Germany become one country.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Fucking hell. Its like refugees made europeans collectively forget our values and the lessons we learned over the last 80 years.

 

[Zatoth]

At least it seems that SPÖ will end up in front of the FPÖ.

 

[Westbahnhof]

Fucking hell. Its like refugees made europeans collectively forget our values and the lessons we learned over the last 80 years.

Approved refugees and people seeking refuge and immigrants.
According to many, those terms are completely interchangeable anyway.
Synonymous with "those people that get all the free money"

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

so people have to remember a 15+ year old story while they are not allowed to learn from the last 4 years? red black was trouble for many years now, yet when people react with their votes they are "stupid"? opinions dont only work in 1 side ;-)
red changed nothing, black is rstarting.
lets see where this will go and in case of need in 4-5 years people WILL remember...

Excuse me for preferring stagnation to regression in pretty much every social area.

 

[Dingens]

so people have to remember a 15+ year old story while they are not allowed to learn from the last 4 years? red black was trouble for many years now, yet when people react with their votes they are "stupid"? opinions dont only work in 1 side ;-)
red changed nothing, black is rstarting.
lets see where this will go and in case of need in 4-5 years people WILL remember...

The fuck?
restarting by choosing a new color, now THAT's real change.

 

[Black Republican]

hes only 31? wow, whats the min age for the job? 30?

 

[Fliesen]

Also Neos really can't be too happy with that result. They didn't grow at all, which is pretty damning for such a young party.

SPÖ: Happy to be 2nd (maybe) and happy to be not completely dismantled, sad that they likely won't be in the government
ÖVP: Happy to be 1st
FPÖ: Happy to be as strong as never before (but secretly super sad that they've been way down from the euphoria around the presidential election.)
Neos: Happy they will still make it into the Nationalrat.
Pilz: Happy they might make it into the Nationalrat
Greens: Total and utter desaster.

The fuck?
restarting by choosing a new color, now THAT's real change.

Yeah... honestly. come back in a few months, when the Landeshauptleute come back from being on the down-low and will start trying to pull the strings again.
Kurz was all show, no substance. At least the substance is a little less brown than the FPÖ :/

I won't blame anyone for voting ÖVP, really. But i will blame them for pretending they did so because the party "restarted" and "modernized" themselves. Because then you're not a conservative, but rather an easily manipulated doofus.

 

[Mivey]

Also Neos really can't be too happy with that result. They didn't grow at all, which is pretty damning for such a young party.

Liberalism (in the non-US terminology) never ever had a strong standing in Austria. I believe most of their voters are just disgruntled ÖVP voters, who want just a younger more flexible conservative party. As such, and considering how election was mostly driven by topics far removed from what the Neos stand and fight for, just holding the same result is great.
Still, as a Neos voter, I am still fairly pessimistic about their long term future, sure. Still, for now they can keep doing their work as before, unaffected by the veritable storm around them.

 

[demondays]

The fuck?
restarting by choosing a new color, now THAT's real change.

if this is all that you see then thats your opinion. again: this does not change any of the rest I wrote

 

[demondays]

Excuse me for preferring stagnation to regression in pretty much every social area.

this is your right and its ok. doesnt change anything I wrote

 

[Fliesen]

if this is all that you see then thats your opinion. again: this does not change any of the rest I wrote

Well, go ahead. In what ways has the "Neue Volkspartei" restarted?