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Automotive Discussion Thread | OT2 | Zero to pointless fighting faster than a GT86

Jackson

Member
So I was at the Dallas Auto Show today... saw some beautiful cars, including the brand new Mazda Miata. Twitter sized pics for now as I still have to get it out of my DSLR.

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On that note, I also lost my self control and impulsively bought another car... another Miata to be exact.

:D

New Miata is hot!

Congrats on the car :)
 
New Miata is hot!

Congrats on the car :)

Welp, I fncked up. I actually didn't take a lot of pics on my DSLR. Hell, I only took 30 pics out of the show since nothing really interested me much. I mean honestly, I was only there to see the new Miata. There was a surprise Alfa Romeo 12C at the show that I have partial video of, but yeah everything else that I liked I ended up taking video with but I gotta process them first since shaky-cam is a bitch lol.

Anyway, here's the best pics I've got of the ND and the ND race car:


And of course, here's more pics of my new Miata!


I'm actually glad I bought it. I looked it up and Bburago apparently has stopped making 1/24 scale Miatas and they're super rare to find, especially in red. It's probably not worth the $27 bucks I paid for it, but the attention to detail is amazing. The engine bay, interior and underbody look so much alike... you can actually find the jack points by looking under it lol. Plus, it's a fantastic paperweight... seriously, it's probably the most expensive paperweight I've ever bought, but it's awesome haha.
 
Welp, I fncked up. I actually didn't take a lot of pics on my DSLR. Hell, I only took 30 pics out of the show since nothing really interested me much. I mean honestly, I was only there to see the new Miata. There was a surprise Alfa Romeo 12C at the show that I have partial video of, but yeah everything else that I liked I ended up taking video with but I gotta process them first since shaky-cam is a bitch lol.

Anyway, here's the best pics I've got of the ND and the ND race car:



And of course, here's more pics of my new Miata!



I'm actually glad I bought it. I looked it up and Bburago apparently has stopped making 1/24 scale Miatas and they're super rare to find, especially in red. It's probably not worth the $27 bucks I paid for it, but the attention to detail is amazing. The engine bay, interior and underbody look so much alike... you can actually find the jack points by looking under it lol. Plus, it's a fantastic paperweight... seriously, it's probably the most expensive paperweight I've ever bought, but it's awesome haha.

man the glare on that red one with the roll cage is STRONG
 

bcl0328

Member
question for you guys, how is VW reliability these days? dad is looking at buying a brand new jetta and is asking me for my opinion. i've had 3 VW in the past, but they were from early 2000s and had lot of issues. i don't know enough about the current body style. it's an automatic with the 1.8T.
 

GHG

Member
question for you guys, how is VW reliability these days? dad is looking at buying a brand new jetta and is asking me for my opinion. i've had 3 VW in the past, but they were from early 2000s and had lot of issues. i don't know enough about the current body style. it's an automatic with the 1.8T.

Some gearbox issues on their 1.6 engine line and then a few turbo issues (failures) on their 2.0t line but apart from that the reliability seems to be ok/average at the moment. Make sure you get warranty.

German reliability isn't what it used to be unfortunately. It's a result of a combination of post-recession cost saving, direct injection and forced induction engines.
 

bcl0328

Member
Some gearbox issues on their 1.6 engine line and then a few turbo issues (failures) on their 2.0t line but apart from that the reliability seems to be ok/average at the moment. Make sure you get warranty.

German reliability isn't what it used to be unfortunately. It's a result of a combination of post-recession cost saving, direct injection and forced induction engines.

extended warranty? he's had a focus and is trading that in. might look at a new focus or a hyundai.
 

fixedpoint

Member
question for you guys, how is VW reliability these days? dad is looking at buying a brand new jetta and is asking me for my opinion. i've had 3 VW in the past, but they were from early 2000s and had lot of issues. i don't know enough about the current body style. it's an automatic with the 1.8T.

We have a 2010 GTI in the family, ~100k on the clock and it's been pretty reliable. One check-engine light (a sensor in the intake) that was repaired under warranty.
 

paskowitz

Member
Going to be at the NY Auto Show this week as a member of the press.

If you want me to photograph anything specific or ask anybody (almost) any question, quote this post with your request.

Top level brass are a bore, but engineers are fun to talk to if they bring them along.
 
man the glare on that red one with the roll cage is STRONG

Lol all those pics were actually shot with an iPhone 6 Plus... maybe that's why there's some crazy glare?

All unedited too... I just pulled them out of the iCloud webapp and dropped it in Imgur.

Going to be at the NY Auto Show this week as a member of the press.

If you want me to photograph anything specific or ask anybody (almost) any question, quote this post with your request.

Top level brass are a bore, but engineers are fun to talk to if they bring them along.

Aww yiss... I've got a lot of questions actually, so I'll put them in order, #1 being the priority if don't wanna ask much.

Mazda:

#1 - On the upcoming Miata, why decide to plant a big-ass screen in the middle of the dashboard instead of using a double-DIN setup and blend inside the dash?
#2 - What are Mazda USA's thoughts on the backlash from the 2.0L engine specs? Also, is it at least as fast as the outgoing 3rd generation Miata?
#3 - Mazdaspeed ND Miata pls.

Scion/Scoobaru, specifically about their twins:

#1 - Sales numbers are decreasing for the twins, what are their plans to revive the interest on their RWD sportscar? Would a TRD/STi version help?
#2 - Does Scion think the Scion badging negatively affect the perception of the FR-S, knowing that American enthusiasts who buy the car consider it a Toyota GT-86, going as far to rebadge the car with GT-86 emblems?
#3 - Why did Subaru agree to constrain the production of the BRZ when it seems like it's the most popular version of the twins, in USA at least?
#4 - Are they ready to get slaughtered by Mazda in the cheap RWD sportscar segment?

I think that's about it all I needed to be answered haha.
 
Also test drove the Kia Soul. Loved it.
There's tons of features and I really liked the way it looked.
It drives nicely too.

Worked with a guys few years ago who had a white Soul that was had all the options along with a really nice rack on top for his bikes. Really, really nice car. I was surprised how much I liked it to be honest.
 

GHG

Member
extended warranty? he's had a focus and is trading that in. might look at a new focus or a hyundai.

How long has the warranty got to run and is it bumper to bumper? You want it to be there for at least the 1st year of ownership to drive it in all situations/conditions to see whether the car copes and if anything goes wrong.
 

Mitch

Banned
Hey AutoGAF. Genesis Coupe 2.0T owner here.

Just bought a K&N 69 Typhoon Cold Air Intake and Magnaflow CBE. Hopefully getting the intake today, so I can install that after work. May not get my CBE until early next week. Really excited to see (and hear) the difference.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
spy shots of the new Audi A4:

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I don't hate it. But the headlights look...Japanese? Korean? It doesn't look brawny enough to be German.

Also, the interior seems to be loaded with the touch sensitive MMI knob and such, but that puny little screen is what you get? That seems offensive.
 

nayrac

Member
extended warranty? he's had a focus and is trading that in. might look at a new focus or a hyundai.

Make certain he's cool with the DCT in the Ford and VW. My wife had a 2012 Focus w/ the automatic and hated it. I was ok with the DSG in my A3 but on occasion it would get very wonky feeling.
 

Makki

Member
OMG I love this thing. Its basically the spiritual successor to Honda Beat.

I would buy this in a heartbeat.... seriously, if they brought it over the pond I would buy this and have a 15k bike for when I want to go fast. Bring the good stuff over Honda dammit, all we get is boring sedans my god
 

Hesemonni

Banned
I don't hate it. But the headlights look...Japanese? Korean? It doesn't look brawny enough to be German.

Also, the interior seems to be loaded with the touch sensitive MMI knob and such, but that puny little screen is what you get? That seems offensive.
You gotta sell the upgraded ~3500€ NAV + bigger screen somehow. And yeah, not feeling the headlamps either.
 
I would buy this in a heartbeat.... seriously, if they brought it over the pond I would buy this and have a 15k bike for when I want to go fast. Bring the good stuff over Honda dammit, all we get is boring sedans my god

Are you in the US or Europe? At least Europe gets the Type R. All we get in the US is the Si (which I have and will admit that it's lacking vs the comptetition) and the V6 Accord Coupé.

But yeah Honda needs a new S2000 or something in their line up. Don't just let Toyota and Mazda go uncontested!
 

Makki

Member
Are you in the US or Europe? At least Europe gets the Type R. All we get in the US is the Si (which I have and will admit that it's lacking vs the comptetition) and the V6 Accord Coupé.

But yeah Honda needs a new S2000 or something in their line up. Don't just let Toyota and Mazda go uncontested!

US, and yes I'm sick of the higher torqued 7,000 RPM limit motors on the civics with the same horsepower figures as engines from the mid 90s with the only choices being an oversized coupe or 4 door sedan. Honda is slowly turning into Toyota on our land.
 

twinturbo2

butthurt Heat fan
The MkVI Camaro went on a diet, lost 200 pounds over the previous generation due to the GM Alpha platform.

GM Press Release said:
2016 Camaro Does More with Less

New model is at least 200 pounds lighter than current car
2015-03-30

DETROIT – For the all-new, 2016 Chevrolet Camaro, the team was challenged to improve the handling, acceleration and fuel economy of the award-winning current model.

To meet all three objectives, the team focused on a singular mission: reduce mass. By obsessively searching for opportunities to save ounces, the team pared more than 200 pounds off the Camaro compared with the fifth-generation model.

As a result, the Camaro does more with less, according to Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer:

"We kept the cornering confidence and control that make the Gen 5 Camaro 1LE so fun to drive, and added a greater sense of agility," he said. "The new Camaro brakes harder, flicks into corners more quickly, and drives out of the corner faster. We expect it will set the benchmark in the segment and give many sports cars a challenge."

A new architecture, one of the most mass-efficient ever from General Motors, is responsible for much of the weight savings.

Additionally, dozens of small changes cumulatively contributed to shedding pounds. For example, the beam that supports the instrument panel is now made of aluminum, saving 9.7 pounds (4.4 kg) over the steel beam on the current generation Camaro.

In addition, the front and rear suspension assemblies are now aluminum, and links on some models feature an intricate, structurally optimized design made with a rigid composite material that's even lighter than aluminum. As a result, the total weight for the suspension is 21 percent lighter compared to current steel-intensive assemblies.
 
US, and yes I'm sick of the higher torqued 7,000 RPM limit motors on the civics with the same horsepower figures as engines from the mid 90s with the only choices being an oversized coupe or 4 door sedan. Honda is slowly turning into Toyota on our land.

Agreed, it's a real shame. I like my Si but would like to see them do better. Acura is garbage too at the moment. Not a single MT in their lineup.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Make certain he's cool with the DCT in the Ford and VW. My wife had a 2012 Focus w/ the automatic and hated it. I was ok with the DSG in my A3 but on occasion it would get very wonky feeling.

The Ford DCT may be easily the WORST in the industry. I've never experiencing anything more awful than this travesty of gears, cogs and clutches. And I've been in cars with torque converters that howled, as the transmission banged gears at seemingly random moments. Okay, so the car with the failing trans was worse...but the Focus' DCT stands among it.

You gotta sell the upgraded ~3500€ NAV + bigger screen somehow. And yeah, not feeling the headlamps either.

I could only imagine Audi pulling that shit off. BMW does that now with the 2, 3, 4, and 5 series (including the X1, X2, X3, and X4) where you get a considerably smaller screen if your I-Drive is non-navi.
 

FStop7

Banned
Ford has sucked at transmissions forever but they make a mean rear differential (both the 8.8" and 9".) GM makes a good transmission but their diffs have sucked...
 

No Love

Banned
Hey AutoGAF. Genesis Coupe 2.0T owner here.

Just bought a K&N 69 Typhoon Cold Air Intake and Magnaflow CBE. Hopefully getting the intake today, so I can install that after work. May not get my CBE until early next week. Really excited to see (and hear) the difference.

You won't notice much of a difference unless you tune.
 

ameratsu

Member
I would buy this in a heartbeat.... seriously, if they brought it over the pond I would buy this and have a 15k bike for when I want to go fast. Bring the good stuff over Honda dammit, all we get is boring sedans my god

I honestly don't know if people realize how small this thing is. It makes an MR2 look roomy and practical. I'd still love to drive one, especially with something north of 100hp.

Tough sell in North America, would probably be more suited to Europe.
 
I honestly don't know if people realize how small this thing is. It makes an MR2 look roomy and practical. I'd still love to drive one, especially with something north of 100hp.

Tough sell in North America, would probably be more suited to Europe.

Sorry to dash y'all's hopes and dreams, but the S660 is a Kei car. Meaning, it's never going to be sold in North America, and most likely Europe too.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack

BMW has long been a brand synonymous with driving performance and driving pleasure. Even today, when BMWs hardly live up to their 'ultimate driving machine' hook, the average person is still highly likely to recommend a BMW to someone looking for a genuinely thrilling daily driver. I should specify that these kinds of people usually know jack-all-shit about cars, and are likely the same kind of person who generally refer to all videogames as "Nintendo". This is a textbook case of how well marketing works on people, even though they are completely oblivious to it. BMW is so good at marketing its product that it can sell an uglier and slower SUV, that seats fewer, with less room, and more weight for a $7000 premium. But had BMW gone too far when they took the coveted 3-series and split it up for the sake of filling a numbered gap, thus creating the 4-series? Inevitably, we all knew we'd no longer be dealing with an M3 anymore…there would now be an M4, replacing the M3 Coupe. More importantly, with the demise of the 5-series as the ultimate luxury mid-sizer, and the 3-series losing its fanciful poise, aggression and agility, in favor of comfort and mild sporting credential, could the new M4 coupe possibly live up to the wailing hero that was the highly controversial, though much loved E92 M3 and its high-strung V8? I can't answer that. But I will break it down in detail.

The BMW M4 is a car I've been really looking forward to driving. I see them all over my town here in Central Florida and the urge simply gets stronger and stronger to jump into one. I finally got my chance and surprisingly I wasn't completely blown away. The car I drove had the Driver Assistance Package and Executive Package, in addition to the optional Harmon/Kardon audio and Adaptive Suspension. Oddly enough, the car ran on the base 18s, as opposed to the upgraded 19s that every single one I've seen prior is equipped with. The MSRP with these options was a whopping $76,000. Don't get hung up on that price, though, and I'll explain why later on.

By now you know that the M4 is powered by a twin-turbo Inline-6 that makes 425HP and 406lb-ft of torque. While this may not look like a considerable gain over the E92's V8, consider this: the new S55 motor that resides in the current M3 and M4 makes over 100lb-ft more torque than the V8 S65 motor, while horsepower increases by an otherwise unimpressive 11HP. With this also comes a huge sacrifice: redline and noise. Turbos suppress exhaust noise considerably, so gone is the racy and eager sound of the Ms before it, including the metallic tone of the E46's S54 I6. Likewise, where as revs of the former M-cars swole to 8000RPM (E46) and then surpassed it (E92), this all new F82 model rings out at a max of 7500RPM.

Now bear in mind, I'm not dogging the car for its decreased ability to spin, I'm simply pointing out a compromise BMW has made. Having said that, purely objectively, I do feel as if this motor isn't especially M-worthy. Or, at least, not M3/M4 worthy. It puts the power down with no hesitation as the turbos spool right up and whisk you away to triple-digit speeds with absolute ease. Gone are the days of the pitiful low-end power of the E92 M3, as it tried to lug its 3700lb ass around with a meager 295TQ. We have two-turbos now to make max torque at only 1850RPMs. On top of that, we've also shed weight - 150lbs worth of it. The dual clutch transmission has been further refined to be even smoother than before. Add all of that up and the BMW M4 is a better car in every way than the model it replaced. But why am I not blown away?


In the process of gaining torques, losing weight, becoming fuel efficient, and gaining twin-turbos, the M-car has also lost quite a bit of its soul. It's character, if you will. That visceral and connected feeling of the past M-cars is gone. The exhaust and engine roar is pumped in from the speakers of the car, at a nearly deafening level if you're opening the car up a little bit. Quite honestly, it felt like the car was louder in the cabin than it actually was outside. The sound emanating from the speakers became annoying no matter how quiet you set it. Granted, there are other cars that are obscenely loud, one such being the Jaguar F-Type V6S and V8R, but none of that sound is enhanced or piped in. It's just a visceral roar from a sweltering 5-liter 8-cylinder behemoth, and its 3.0 V6 little brother.

There were other things I didn't quite like about the car. Namely, its interior. It's no secret that BMW cheaped out on interior materials going from the E9x cars to the current iteration. Where as in the past the I-Drive screen was housed inside a cavernous hump covered with leather padding, the current BMWs have exposed screens with their plastic bezels in plain sight. The center console is a stack of plastic, all of which is ergonomically pleasing to use and look at, but relatively cheap to feel. The cupholders, now housed where they should be, unfortunately do not close. So you're always forced to look at two gaping plastic holes with plastic prongs. Call me a stickler, but if there's nothing in my cup-holder, I want it out of sight - I want to be able to conceal it with a sliding mechanism of some sort. And these little things make me feel like BMW cut corners. Also, the door cushions by the windows are some sort of plastic hybrid that feel like a grade below what older BMWs have had in the past.

Still, I will give BMW credit for fitting the car with a very clean wide-screen monitor, it makes using the navigation features that much clearer and easier. Furthermore, the seats are superb on the coupe, boasting beautiful bolsters that rise nearly all the way up the seat (not so much on the convertibles), superb comfort, solid rear legroom, and a meaty steering wheel, that despite being electric feels wonderfully in tune with the driver. The suspension is firm, but not bone crushing. It's certainly a softer and more compliant ride than the E92 M3, which was grueling over rougher roads in poorly maintained cities. Also, as if by some sort of tremendously powerful wizardry, the M4 is not equipped with runflats or some mediocre Bridgestones or some C-grade Pirellis. No, instead we are blessed with, what I firmly believe to be the best tire in the world: the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Yes, the same Super Sports that are used in so many high-end exotics today. The very same that Ferrari used to debut the Ferrari 458 Italia with, as they felt it was the only tire worthy of the car.


Moving on, brakes are 4-piston front, and 2-piston rear anchors. They're constantly kept dry and cooled to ensure stopping power is always consistent no matter what the conditions are outside. Brake feel was extremely positive and I wouldn't change a thing. Hitting the brakes on corner entry did make one thing clear to me, though…this car's suspension is softly dampened. It's balance overall is stellar, but the softer dampers give the car a slight lean which coupled with some mildly aggressive throttle inputs can definitely let the rear end hang out. I'd argue that the balance of the F82 M4 has swung more on the side of hooliganry, as opposed to the buttoned-up firmness of the E92. Perhaps the M-division has taken a page out of the AMG book? Don't get any of this twisted, though, because the M4 is still extremely capable and will no doubt outperform the old car on a track. The differences in handling between the two will be subtle to most daily drivers, but apparent to the few devoted out there.

I have to say that I do like the pull of the engine. It doesn't have a flat spot anywhere in its powerband. Peg it from a stop and it rips off the line like no M3 ever has before. Its brute force is second to only the current M6. Revving out the M4 felt easy; it was eager to hits its 7500RPM finish line, and then hand the baton over for the next gear to continue its proverbial relay race. Brilliant motor. But I still can't shake this feeling that it's not an M-motor. Fortunately, unlike the S63 motor, which is housed by the BMW M5, BMW M6, BMW M6 Gran Coupe, BMW X5M, and BMW X6M, it's highly unlikely we will see this S55 motor appear in anything but the M3 and M4. So it does have that major advantage going for it, helping to keep the motor feeling like a proper BMW Motorsport powerplant, if only because of its exclusivity.

By the numbers, the BMW M4 shines. It'll hit 118-120MPH through the 1/4 mile, doing the deed in a mere 12 seconds, though some persistent drivers have achieved very high 11s. So yes, the M4 is fast. Very fast. But is it worth the premium for those who currently own an E92 M3 Coupe? Especially a late model one that is 2011+? Well, that depends. Are you the kind of M3 owner who's always looking for the latest and greatest? If so, then yes, trade yours in get this car and I doubt you'll regret it. Are you looking forward to the repairs on your out of warranty E92 M3? I doubt you are, because there are issues with these cars, as they age, that cost thousands of dollars to repair. Now, having said that, if you can afford to foot the bill of repairs easily, but are looking for more power out of your E92 M3…I would encourage you to research supercharging your current car with the ESS kit. Again, that's assuming you can continue to maintain the car, because it will have random failures, such as the differential, idle air valve, and so forth, most of which will not be at the fault of the forced induction. I say this because the E92 M3 has aged so exceptionally well inside and out that you don't absolutely have to dump it for the current car. A moderately tuned ESS supercharger will give you all the thrills without having to incur a new auto loan. But this logic of mine only applies to existing E92 M3 owners. Otherwise, if you've got a BMW M3 E46, a Mercedes C63 AMG, an Audi S4 or RS4, you should probably upgrade because the BMW M4 is considerably better than all of those. I'm just hung up on justifying how much better it is than the car it replaces.


To close this off, early on I mentioned the pricing for this car. As is typical with BMW, they will keep one really important feature out of the standard equipment list and bundle it with a fuckload of other things you don't care about. That being a backup camera. But wait, you probably think "oh I'm sure it has backup sensors as standard! I can make do with those!" No. It doesn't. The backup camera and sensors cannot be equipped separately, and are part of the Executive Package, which costs $4000. This package adds : Heated Steering Wheel, Comfort Access Keyless Entry, Rear View Camera, Retractable Headlight Washers, Park Distance Control, Head-Up Display, and a 1 year satellite radio subscription. Let me be clear, that a heated steering wheel and comfort access keyfob have no value to me. Retractable headlight washers are the bane of my existence, pointlessly spewing washer fluid all over my freshly detailed hood and bumper. Fuck off. No thanks. Likewise, the head-up display I still find to be a gimmick and distracting. That leaves us with the worthless satellite radio subscription, which in the age of iPods, Pandora, Bluetooth audio, and Spotify is single-handedly the stupidest thing to highlight on a list of features that add up to $4,000. That's like giving someone the results of their STD test by starting it off with "Great news! You don't have syphilis, chlamydia, Hep-A, Hep-B, Hep-C, gonorrhea, or herpes. But you do have AIDS."

So what to do? Well, tell BMW to shove a stick up its ass. Considering that the car comes standard with essentials like the navigation, and a host of other toys, you don't have to equip this car with much. Order an M4 with your choice of transmission (the DCT is $2900 extra), leave the 18s on it (you can always get something else later), and add the Harmon/Kardon audio for a measly $895. Your MSRP with the dual clutch comes out to $69,000, with an invoice price of $64,380. And if your persistent enough, a deal $500 above invoice should be easily doable. At that cost, the BMW M4 is a good deal. But above the $70,000 mark, I would be very hard pressed to recommend it over its competition: the Mercedes-AMG C63 and the ATS-V. Both of which offer more power from larger displacement motors (the AMG being a V8), and are based on platforms that are better than that of the standard F30 3-series platform. I should also mention that, having been in a Mercedes-Benz C400, its interior is leagues ahead of the BMW's, so there's that too.

This may not be the words people want to rear, but my conclusion…wait for the new C63 and ATS-V if you're open to driving something without a blue and white roundel.

 
Cool review Alpha, thanks! I continue to be disappointed with their engine change, and piping sound in through the speakers is an embarrassment for an M-badged car.

I don't get what McLaren is doing with the 570. It doesn't make sense to have what is essentially two of the same car, but one detuned, in a lineup. In my opinion it should have been a trim level, not a different car; at this point all it does is devalue the 650.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
If you can get your hands on a RC-F I'd be interested in your opinions on that as well...not that I can afford one anyway.

Also

https://youtu.be/miA5qj5ergM

Didn't even attempt to correct it

From all I've heard of the RC-F, it's an awful car compared to the rest of the bunch. Overweight with a great motor, but seriously lacking in torque. I will try to get my hands on one, though. My 1st cousin in Miami is the finance director for the largest Lexus dealer there.
 
From all I've heard of the RC-F, it's an awful car compared to the rest of the bunch. Overweight with a great motor, but seriously lacking in torque. I will try to get my hands on one, though. My 1st cousin in Miami is the finance director for the largest Lexus dealer there.

I drove an RC350 F-Sport a couple of weeks ago.

Yep, it's exactly what you said, overweight as fnck with a great motor.

Since I haven't driven the new M4 and just going by your review, I think you might end up like the RC-F more than you think.

I know that the RC-F and RC350 F-Sport are different cars but I think the V8 in the RC-F can solve a lot of problems the RC350 F-Sport has so I'm actually curious to see how it would stack up against the others.
 

FStop7

Banned
Cool review Alpha, thanks! I continue to be disappointed with their engine change, and piping sound in through the speakers is an embarrassment for an M-badged car.

I don't get what McLaren is doing with the 570. It doesn't make sense to have what is essentially two of the same car, but one detuned, in a lineup. In my opinion it should have been a trim level, not a different car; at this point all it does is devalue the 650.

Kind of like how the 650S immediately devalued the MP4-12C.

They seem kind of clueless as how to not shit on their customers when it comes to resale. And I thought Lambo was bad about that.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I drove an RC350 F-Sport a couple of weeks ago.

Yep, it's exactly what you said, overweight as fnck with a great motor.

Since I haven't driven the new M4 and just going by your review, I think you might end up like the RC-F more than you think.

I know that the RC-F and RC350 F-Sport are different cars but I think the V8 in the RC-F can solve a lot of problems the RC350 F-Sport has so I'm actually curious to see how it would stack up against the others.

The RC-F has a big motor with no low-end torque. And its weight only swells with the 5.0. I've seen these cars run high 12s, barely cresting 110MPH. That's a full second and 10MPH slower than the M4. It might as well be another league of car. The RCF simply can't compete with the likes of the M4, C63, and ATS-V.
 
The RC-F has a big motor with no low-end torque. And its weight only swells with the 5.0. I've seen these cars run high 12s, barely cresting 110MPH. That's a full second and 10MPH slower than the M4. It might as well be another league of car. The RCF simply can't compete with the likes of the M4, C63, and ATS-V.

Yeah, that's a shame. Lexus and Toyota can do better.

I wonder if the FT-1 will ever...be anything.
 
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