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AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Yeah, that's a shame. Lexus and Toyota can do better.

I wonder if the FT-1 will ever...be anything.

The Supra will very likely return in 2017 powered by a BMW I6. Recent leaks have actually suggested we're getting a concept version at the end of this year.
 
The RC-F has a big motor with no low-end torque. And its weight only swells with the 5.0. I've seen these cars run high 12s, barely cresting 110MPH. That's a full second and 10MPH slower than the M4. It might as well be another league of car. The RCF simply can't compete with the likes of the M4, C63, and ATS-V.

Interesting.

I think that's just the nature of the beast though as it's a naturally aspirated V8. But I find it disappointing that Lexus just transplanted the engine of an IS-F and never did anything with it. Especially since the IS-F is a fantastic car in its own right.

And yeah, that Supra is probably gonna be similar to the current NSX but with a I6 instead. I've read rumors it's gonna be an hybrid AWD, and it's poised to be Toyota's halo car while Lexus will be developing their own version and make a baby LFA or something along those lines.

I just hope this AWD and halo car status won't stick. The Supra has always been a great grand tourer and getting it to AWD and halo car status could also ruin it's perception to enthusiasts like what the NSX is right now.
 
Don't know if April Fools joke or what, but BRZ STI at NYIAS.

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If you can get your hands on a RC-F I'd be interested in your opinions on that as well...not that I can afford one anyway.

Also

https://youtu.be/miA5qj5ergM

Didn't even attempt to correct it


I used to live in the area surrounding Blackhawk, CA. That place is full of people that would most definitely do something like that. Couple of kids at my high school would get dropped off in Rolls Royce and most of the parking lot was BMW/Mercedes with drops of Escalade and Mustangs in there for good measure.
 
I used to live in the area surrounding Blackhawk, CA. That place is full of people that would most definitely do something like that. Couple of kids at my high school would get dropped off in Rolls Royce and most of the parking lot was BMW/Mercedes with drops of Escalade and Mustangs in there for good measure.

Oh, is that Blackhawk near Danville?

My cousin lives in the country club, albeit the less crazy side, but that makes perfect sense. Some of those houses are jaw dropping.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Interesting.

I think that's just the nature of the beast though as it's a naturally aspirated V8. But I find it disappointing that Lexus just transplanted the engine of an IS-F and never did anything with it. Especially since the IS-F is a fantastic car in its own right.

And yeah, that Supra is probably gonna be similar to the current NSX but with a I6 instead. I've read rumors it's gonna be an hybrid AWD, and it's poised to be Toyota's halo car while Lexus will be developing their own version and make a baby LFA or something along those lines.

I just hope this AWD and halo car status won't stick. The Supra has always been a great grand tourer and getting it to AWD and halo car status could also ruin it's perception to enthusiasts like what the NSX is right now.

They did actually mess with the engine quite a bit to get it to 450HP, up from 416HP. Also the increased redline. It's just sad that what kills the car is its weight. They went and took three separate chassis (GS350, Current IS, and old IS350 Convertible) and forged them all together to make the RCF's platform. It's a Frankenstein Monster of clusterfuckery. And when Lexus explains why they did it this way, you're left wondering how could the brand possibly be safe in the hands of such imbeciles.

Don't know if April Fools joke or what, but BRZ STI at NYIAS.

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Man, the random white borders screams early 2000s-cell phone pic fake. But I'm not ruling it out, either. The BRZ has been selling terribly because people finally woke up and realized that the car is slow and not worth the money.

Anyway, I was heading home from an exhaust shop. And upon entering my neighborhood, I saw this:

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It's not my picture. The car I passed was going east bound. And I was going west. :'(

But I broke my neck looking at it.
 

mkenyon

Banned
I love the BRZ, a lot. Just feels right. I am a Subie fanboy deep down inside.

As soon as my wife's Tundra is paid off, I'm picking one up for a weekend car that I can mod the shit out of to solve it's only issue, which is power.

If they had an STi version though.......
 
I love the BRZ, a lot. Just feels right. I am a Subie fanboy deep down inside.

As soon as my wife's Tundra is paid off, I'm picking one up for a weekend car that I can mod the shit out of to solve it's only issue, which is power.

If they had an STi version though.......

I'm with ya. Just wish it had a bit more power, so same complaint everyone has. Not really feeling that STI pic if it's real though. Looks like it's trying to look like a GTR or something.
 

mkenyon

Banned
I'm with ya. Just wish it had a bit more power, so same complaint everyone has. Not really feeling that STI pic if it's real though. Looks like it's trying to look like a GTR or something.
The spoiler looks pretty damn similar to the Spec C WRX

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I love me some overdone JDM stuff though.
 
The spoiler looks pretty damn similar to the Spec C WRX

http://www.sti.jp/spec_c_RA/imgs/top01.jpg[IMG]

I love me some overdone JDM stuff though.[/QUOTE]

It's more the bigger chin it's got going on, along with the new side panel stuff that look more like GTR kinda stuff. Although on second look it seems that the new lights are just making the front look bigger to me.

Spoiler I'm not a fan of on it's own, and I like how the BRZ looks now more without even it's current spoiler as well. That's not to say spoilers can't look nice, just I think that care looks better without one.
 
The nice thing about spoilers is that they are easy to take off. Of course, it's pretty dumb to pay money for some body kit if you don't like a big part of the body kit. Hopefully this is more than just a body kit anyway...
 
They did actually mess with the engine quite a bit to get it to 450HP, up from 416HP. Also the increased redline. It's just sad that what kills the car is its weight. They went and took three separate chassis (GS350, Current IS, and old IS350 Convertible) and forged them all together to make the RCF's platform. It's a Frankenstein Monster of clusterfuckery. And when Lexus explains why they did it this way, you're left wondering how could the brand possibly be safe in the hands of such imbeciles.

Huh, I didn't even know that lol. I just assumed it's the same exact V8 from IS-F since it has the same engine name and all that.

Speaking of the chassis, that actually explains why I thought the door sills were too high. I've noticed the same exact thing on the IS convertibles and I remember when I ran into it with the RC 350, I almost tripped over the damn thing lol.

Lexus needs somebody like Nysschen and bring it up a lot like Infiniti with the Eau Rouge concept and all the batshit insane stuff they did when he was there.

I'm with ya. Just wish it had a bit more power, so same complaint everyone has. Not really feeling that STI pic if it's real though. Looks like it's trying to look like a GTR or something.

It's quite funny if you ask me. Everyone complains about the lack of power in hte Toyobaru Twins yet nobody complains about the lack of power in a Miata. To the point that to us Miata owners, more power isn't necessarily the best thing to do(even though it is lol).

Anyway, enough fanboyism... what are the chances of this being a Subaru BRZ tS for America?


I'd love for this to be a BRZ STi, that way Mazda will finally be forced to make a new Mazdaspeed Miata, and that this might actually be the first STi I'll ever own lol.
Lancer Evo's 4 lyfe!
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Huh, I didn't even know that lol. I just assumed it's the same exact V8 from IS-F since it has the same engine name and all that.

Speaking of the chassis, that actually explains why I thought the door sills were too high. I've noticed the same exact thing on the IS convertibles and I remember when I ran into it with the RC 350, I almost tripped over the damn thing lol.

Lexus needs somebody like Nysschen and bring it up a lot like Infiniti with the Eau Rouge concept and all the batshit insane stuff they did when he was there.



Yes, it does explain why the door sills are crazy high. The central part of the RCF's chassis is the IS Convertible section, which is precisely where you would sit, the sill go, etc.
 

J-Rzez

Member
Forget the Toyota partnership, they should partner up with GM
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http://www.lsxtv.com/features/car-features/weapons-grade-performances-v8-swapped-subaru-brz06/
They said it only added 60-80 lbs.

If real, I'd still be interested in seeing what the STI is. I'll always have a soft spot for Subaru, since I learned to drive on one.

People been fascinated for years throwing that GM motor in RX7s, Miatas, and now the 86. Thing is that they don't need to go any special route. The FA20DIT is right, freaking, there. They'll have to mod turbo/IC location, but that's it. That motor is really a gem I must say. It feels fantastic, it has great driveability, great economy, and we know how beefed up it is stock that tuners are getting great power from it. Subaru would be insane not to put that in the BRZ. Then again, they did put that EJ25 in the new STI... but rumors are of a FAxxDIT variant coming in the STI update next year, which could mean either a FA20DIT, FA25DIT, etc. It's coming, they need to in response to the fans, and to other makers with Ford stepping up their game in a big way. ~300hp in the STI just doesn't cut it like it did ~10yrs ago.

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It's not my picture. The car I passed was going east bound. And I was going west. :'(

But I broke my neck looking at it.

Yeah, the Gulf. That's the way to order that car. Great homage to the past as well.

It's quite funny if you ask me. Everyone complains about the lack of power in hte Toyobaru Twins yet nobody complains about the lack of power in a Miata. To the point that to us Miata owners, more power isn't necessarily the best thing to do(even though it is lol).

I laugh at the power they're putting in the new Miata. You can only cash in on that "pure driving experience" so much. It's completely outclassed, and who cares if you can "floor it all the time and not get pulled over" (dumbest cop out ever). They need a Mazdaspeed edition. Then again, they probably don't because they'll sell the new Miata like mad to retired people and window-shoppers (styling/convertible/cheap).
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Just when I thought Chevrolet couldn't be a stupider car maker...they redesign the Malibu:

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And make it look nearly identical to the Impala.

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The fronts aren't a whole lot different, either. So...what the fuck? You redesign your midsizer because of its ailing sales and polarizing looks to look almost exactly like your full sizer which isn't exactly selling like hotcakes or winning any design accolades either.

This is hilariously stupid on so many levels that I'm not convinced that it's not an April Fools Joke.
 
Yes, it does explain why the door sills are crazy high. The central part of the RCF's chassis is the IS Convertible section, which is precisely where you would sit, the sill go, etc.

Blech.

On the bright side, that at least takes off the RC-F from my list of cars to own lol.

I fnckin' hate those high-ass door sills. It's seriously the most egregious thing you can ever do in a car.

I laugh at the power they're putting in the new Miata. You can only cash in on that "pure driving experience" so much. It's completely outclassed, and who cares if you can "floor it all the time and not get pulled over" (dumbest cop out ever). They need a Mazdaspeed edition. Then again, they probably don't because they'll sell the new Miata like mad to retired people and window-shoppers (styling/convertible/cheap).

Lol I actually agree with you. I want more power in my Miata and I definitely want more power in the new one.

For my NC Miata specifically, I personally don't need a big ass turbo that'll give it north of 250hp and thereby reduce it's ability as a daily driver. I just need 30 more WHP and 30 more WTQ, which amazingly enough is quite possible with an intake, header, midpipe, exhaust and a tune... I've already got the best intake and exhaust you can get, so I'm almost there. Hopefully I'll be able to get this done by the end of the year lol.

For the new ND Miata... like I said, I agree with you but at the same time, I think you're missing the point of it by ignoring their "pure driving experience" BS. The Miata has always been about those 3 words... it's those 3 words that kept it alive for the last 25 years and those 3 words are gonna keep it existing for a looooooooong time. We'll have to see once it's finally out how that 2.0L engine stacks up to the outgoing model.

I've driven an FR-S and I think it's a fantastic car in it's own right, but it cannot compare to the feeling I had when I sat behind the wheel of a Miata and took it out for a spin. It was the first time I've felt an connection with man and machine and the FR-S just doesn't have that imo... like there's no soul to it, maybe too mechanical for a car, or dare I say average?

Anyway, enough philosophical talk lol, but like I said, I'm hoping the BRZ STi is real. Not only to encourage Mazda to build a Mazdapseed version, but that way I can save my money for mods and put that into a ND MSM or BRZ STi instead. That'd be about $2-3k's worth of cash and that's more than enough for a downpayment on a new car lol.

Edit: Here's a 2nd review of a Miata from Regular Car Reviews and he's able to explain the Miata's almost legendary status better than anybody can tbh. The only thing I disagree with is the Miata being a Kanye of cars, but that's more of a joke than the truth so I'll give it a pass haha.
 

ascii42

Member
Just when I thought Chevrolet couldn't be a stupider car maker...they redesign the Malibu:

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And make it look nearly identical to the Impala.

2014-chevrolet-impala-rear-three-quarter-passenger-side.jpg


The fronts aren't a whole lot different, either. So...what the fuck? You redesign your midsizer because of its ailing sales and polarizing looks to look almost exactly like your full sizer which isn't exactly selling like hotcakes or winning any design accolades either.

This is hilariously stupid on so many levels that I'm not convinced that it's not an April Fools Joke.

Can't blame them, the Impala was the better looking of the two. Though for some reason, the part that's the most different from the Impala is the front-end, which is the Impala's best part. They've tweaked the front end of the Malibu multiple times and it still looks significantly worse than the 2008-2012 version, in my biased opinion.

Malibu
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Impala
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Interior is a bit overdone, but looks alright. Certainly better than the last one.
 
The Subaru BRZ STI Performance Concept Nears Perfection Without A Turbo


Fans of the Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S have been hounding at their respective manufacturers for years now about hotted-up versions, and those pleas have so far fallen on deaf ears. But now, with the Subaru BRZ STI Performance Concept, someone seems to have been listening. Sort of. But not really.

It only looks like someone’s been listening. Even though it does pack a naturally-aspirated engine from the positively wild Super GT series.

We still don’t know a lot, though from Subaru’s past statements, it’s a perfect setup to shatter every dream you’ve always had about a BRZ. That’s because it looks like it’s a concept only, and it’s only for show. Just to demonstrate to BRZ owners what STI is capable of, and what bits you can tack onto your car if you really, really wanted to.

*sigh*

Further proof that Toyota is probably limiting Scooby's development of the car.

But also, this to me screams that Toyobaru doesn't wanna build a 2nd generation twin.

So no Mazdaspeed Miata nor BRZ STi/TRD FRS.

:(
 

ameratsu

Member
I laugh at the power they're putting in the new Miata. You can only cash in on that "pure driving experience" so much. It's completely outclassed, and who cares if you can "floor it all the time and not get pulled over" (dumbest cop out ever). They need a Mazdaspeed edition. Then again, they probably don't because they'll sell the new Miata like mad to retired people and window-shoppers (styling/convertible/cheap).

No they don't. Why can't Mazda buck the current trend of cars getting progressively faster?

This thread is hilariously one-track minded about how much power sporty cars need to have. Basically everything new gets shit on unless it's 35k+ with over 250whp.
 

mkenyon

Banned
I'll put it this way, if most prospective significant others were 6/10 in the looks or higher, with a huge portion of those having porn star quality in bed, you most likely aren't interested in the 8/10 that only does missionary. You'll want at least some doggy or surprise oral.
 

FStop7

Banned
No they don't. Why can't Mazda buck the current trend of cars getting progressively faster?

This thread is hilariously one-track minded about how much power sporty cars need to have. Basically everything new gets shit on unless it's 35k+ with over 250whp.

You can thank Jeremy Clarkson for that.
 
New worldwide 2016 Honda Civic y'all. Will be released in NA as coupe (looks to be liftback), sedan, 5-door hatch, SI and Type R. Base is a 1.5 Turbo with CVT or manual.

http://jalopnik.com/hondas-big-surprise-is-a-truly-worldwide-civic-5-door-1695047474



I dig it.

Whaaaaaaaat.

Damn. I might have to upgrade my 14 Si to this. Or maybe the second year, Honda inevitable messes a few things up and then fixes them.

Edit: just read the article. I will definitely be upgrading to the Type R, lawd.

Good lord I just got quite excited. I hope this isn't an April fools joke lol. That 300hp turbo VTEC, gimme.
 
Wat.

Did Honda just do the unthinkable?

Aw man it's gonna be a great time to be a hot hatch fan.

Now Mazda just needs to step up to the plate and finally bring the Mazdaspeed 3/6 and it'll be the golden rebirth of hot hatches!
 
Anyone remember the WRX concept?

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Here's hoping Honda doesn't pull a Subaru.

I can see the brake light not going across the back end in the production version, but if they can keep 98% of the concept in production, I will be there. Si AND type R. Who would've thought?
 

twinturbo2

butthurt Heat fan
BRZ STI won't be turbocharged (supposedly).

http://jalopnik.com/the-subaru-brz-sti-performance-concept-nears-perfection-1694976533#

If true, Subaru is really going full rice. However, they will get guaranteed sales from people that don't know any better. Guess Liquidsnake will be trading in.

That's not very nice to say. I just bought a 1.0 back in November you all know that. I will have it for quite some time.

I've never enjoyed driving more than I do now. 5 months later and everyday is a joy.Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will really be my last post ever in here. I don't like the way you guys treat each other.
 

No Love

Banned
That's not very nice to say. I just bought a 1.0 back in November you all know that. I will have it for quite some time.

I've never enjoyed driving more than I do now. 5 months later and everyday is a joy.Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will really be my last post ever in here. I don't like the way you guys treat each other.

Don't be like that. You know I'm just teasing you.
 

mkenyon

Banned
I'ts cool man Im not even really talking about you. I thought your post was funny. I get each thread has its humor. I just don't like the vibe in here. I visit it for the new car updates, but the thread has a weird vibe that s unlike any other on GAF.
That's Alpha dominating the tone and discussion.

In his defense, Alpha is in his name. He's no Beta.
 
BRZ STI won't be turbocharged (supposedly).

http://jalopnik.com/the-subaru-brz-sti-performance-concept-nears-perfection-1694976533#

If true, Subaru is really going full rice. However, they will get guaranteed sales from people that don't know any better. Guess Liquidsnake will be trading in.

I'm fine with it not being tubocharged if it can get an extra 30 to 50 hp out of it stock. What I'm not okay with is all the extra wings and body kids. Guess I'm not really who this stuff is aimed at though.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
That's Alpha dominating the tone and discussion.

In his defense, Alpha is in his name. He's no Beta.

Wtf? I didn't even do or say anything this time! Why are you dragging me into this?

This thread hasn't had an argument in ages. I don't even know why Liquid is getting bent out of shape over a harmless joke NoLove made. LS doesn't know what a 'weird vibe' even is. It's not like we're the sports or music communities. Jeez.
 

Jackson

Member
I don't get what McLaren is doing with the 570. It doesn't make sense to have what is essentially two of the same car, but one detuned, in a lineup. In my opinion it should have been a trim level, not a different car; at this point all it does is devalue the 650.

It doesn't devalue the 650S, it enters the mass market segment of supercars -- the $200k car. This is the most popular segment of super cars because it's the most affordable (for a super car). It's a huge jump in affordability between a $300k car (650S) and a $200k car.

Here's the (new car) segment it's up against.

McLaren 570S

Audi R8 V10 Plus

Porsche 911 Turbo S

Aston Martin V12 Vantage S

Acura NSX (to a slightly lesser extent... probably $20+k less than the others).


The 570S is easily the most exotic looking (the butt and the scissor doors only add to that). If you want loud and exotic, you're going for the 570S in this price segment. Which is crazy to say when just a few years ago the MP4-12C was the most tame looking super car ever.

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Jackson

Member
Can't believe a Civic has me so excited lol. First models are supposedly coming in Fall so this design hopefully won't change too much.

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Different strokes I guess... I hate everything about this lol.
The way it looks like a crosstour (from the side), the ugly wing, the wanna be mega exhaust, teh stupid tiny mirrors. The rear lights are OK.

I like the Civic Type R hatchback concept a lot though.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
The one thing I would change about the 570S is the teardrop on the side of each headlight. There's no reason for that line to continue running down like that. Trim that 1-inch piece away and it looks perfect.
 
Oh, is that Blackhawk near Danville?

My cousin lives in the country club, albeit the less crazy side, but that makes perfect sense. Some of those houses are jaw dropping.

Yep, I used to live in Danville before moving to San Diego. Beautiful place and going trick or treating in Blackhawk made for the best Halloweens.

Anyone remember the WRX concept?

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Here's hoping Honda doesn't pull a Subaru.

God I hope they don't pull one. The production WRX isn't bad looking at all, but the concept was in my opinion significantly better looking. The new Civic concept is really a head turner compared to the current one.
 
Different strokes I guess... I hate everything about this lol.
The way it looks like a crosstour (from the side), the ugly wing, the wanna be mega exhaust, teh stupid tiny mirrors. The rear lights are OK.

I like the Civic Type R hatchback concept a lot though.

I'm with you on this one. I don't like it's looks but I'm pumped that Honda is starting to pull their head out of their ass and are finally bring the Type R over here.

I mean I wouldn't buy one coz it ain't RWD but the fact that it exists does give some hope that we could see a S2K revival... and the more RWD sports cars are available, the chances of me jumping ship are very very likely lol.

Anyway as for the thread, I do think there's some kind of elitism in all of us but I think it's just our passion for these machines showing, instead of outright hate.

And like I said before, the only car we all hate is the PT Cruiser lol.

But please, no more station wagon talk pls.
 
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