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AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Big updates to the 370z from Nissan!

Engine noise through the speakers 0_o

I'm actually tempted to drive the car and see how the new Active Noise Cancelation works though.

A little confused by the Sound Enhancer feature to be honest. But the good thing with Nissans is that these things can be turned off through the settings or just unplugged.
 

Smokey

Member
Wife and I test drove new C400. Got me feeling some type of way. That interior absolutely rekt'd my car :(. Wife liked it and she don't even pay most 4 door sedans the time of day. She tried to tempt me by telling me to trade old faithful in right then and there. Didn't do it and I told her we gotta see what that C63 AMG / S offers.

But from my time with the 400, as a general sedan, it was pretty nice.

I'm sure Alpha gonna come in here and say something tho lol
 

No Love

Banned
Wife and I test drove new C400. Got me feeling some type of way. That interior absolutely rekt'd my car :(. Wife liked it and she don't even pay most 4 door sedans the time of day. She tried to tempt me by telling me to trade old faithful in right then and there. Didn't do it and I told her we gotta see what that C63 AMG / S offers.

But from my time with the 400, as a general sedan, it was pretty nice.

I'm sure Alpha gonna come in here and say something tho lol

The new C63 is going to be a beast. But I wouldn't buy a Mercedes.
 

Mohonky

Member
They do. I had one on my Evo for 9 years. :)

Compustar had units to do this. Way it worked was when you parked your foot was on the brake, you pull up the e-brake, foot off the brake, take the key out of the ignition (car will still be running), then you had "x" seconds to get out of the car. Once you closed the door, car shuts off. This told the system the car is in neutral and it's OK to start. If you open a door (wired to dome lights believe it or not for detection of door opening), it deactivates the remote start capability for safety.

Good stuff. Don't have it in my WRX, and I missed it this horrible winter. Might get it installed next winter, but I maybe getting rid of it in spring/summer.

Here ya go:
http://www.compustar.com/remotestart-and-security/RF-P2W901-SS.php


Who parks their car out of gear in a manual?
 

kagete

Member
Between the two I'd buy the Merc but to be honest i'm not a fan of rounded vents or features. So... have you hopped into a Lexus GS yet? Huge screen and sharp details versus the rounded Merc-style. I also prefer aluminum/carbon fiber sport trim to wood so the F Sport GS is really appealing to me.
 

Smokey

Member
Between the two I'd buy the Merc but to be honest i'm not a fan of rounded vents or features. So... have you hopped into a Lexus GS yet? Huge screen and sharp details versus the rounded Merc-style. I also prefer aluminum/carbon fiber sport trim to wood so the F Sport GS is really appealing to me.

My mom has a GS although it's an older model. Because of that I've mentally not gone down that road.
 

kagete

Member
If you can stomach the smaller cockpit maybe try the IS! I've been itching to get one for years but the wife's car got priority so I have to wait till after we buy a house.

Good luck in your quest and have fun test-driving!
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Wife and I test drove new C400. Got me feeling some type of way. That interior absolutely rekt'd my car :(. Wife liked it and she don't even pay most 4 door sedans the time of day. She tried to tempt me by telling me to trade old faithful in right then and there. Didn't do it and I told her we gotta see what that C63 AMG / S offers.

But from my time with the 400, as a general sedan, it was pretty nice.

I'm sure Alpha gonna come in here and say something tho lol

What am I gonna say? I think a few pages ago I was saying how beautiful the car is. My wife loved it too. LOL.

The C400 is discontinued now too. The C450 AMG Sport will replace it. It's on our list of cars to lease next.
 

ameratsu

Member

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Alright, I think I found the right thread

Disclaimer: This is BC, Canada
Okay I've been doing carsharing so far and it's pretty great, but I've realized I'm paying 350-400 a month for it and will graduate from grad school soon and entering the job world, so getting my own car seems like a good idea. Given that I don't know yet if I'm moving away in a few year I don't really wanna buy a car and be stuck with a loan/have to worry about selling it, and I know close to nothing about used cars to be able to evaluate which are a good deal to keep for a short time and re-sell. So........ I'm looking into leasing one and need feedback. I've got no idea. There's some GREAT deals in BC at the moment (36 month leases with 0-1% APR and 0 down) so I think my timing isn't terrible.
Problem is, I have never had my own car. I learned how to drive on an older Mazda (which was great) and a BMW (which I obv can't afford), and carsharing I mostly drive a Nissan Sentra or Altima which I quite like in terms of driving-feel, but the interior look is a bit lacking. So I'm looking for advice/feedback from you guys! Throw everything you know/think you know/experienced at me, it'd be much appreciated.

some preliminary research I'm looking at the following(<25k CAD MRSP, with 36month leases <350/month after tax. Yes I know insurance will come on top of that :p) cars, sorted roughly by my current preference:

Mazda3
Ford Fiesta/Focus (Focus > Fiesta)
Kia Rio/Forte (Forte > Rio)
Chevy Cruze
Nissan Ventra Note/Sentra
VW Jetta/Golf
Honda Civic
Toyota Yaris/Corolla (Corolla > Yaris)
Hyundai Accent/Elantra/Sonata (Elantra > Sonata > Accent)
Subaru Impreza
Scion tC

Thanks!
 

DasRaven

Member
cars, sorted roughly by my current preference:

Mazda3
Ford Fiesta/Focus (Focus > Fiesta)
Kia Rio/Forte (Forte > Rio)
Chevy Cruze
Nissan Ventra Note/Sentra
VW Jetta/Golf
Honda Civic
Toyota Yaris/Corolla (Corolla > Yaris)
Hyundai Accent/Elantra/Sonata (Elantra > Sonata > Accent)
Subaru Impreza
Scion tC

Thanks!

The good news is that you've got lots of great choices there.
Personally, my top 3 would be Golf, Elantra, Mazda3.

If you can get a workable deal on a Golf GTI, that'd be the best of all worlds, IMO.
Also consider a Mazda6 in that price range.

I can personally vouch for how great the '15 Elantra and Sonata currently are, but their party piece, amazing warranty, isn't something you'll need.
 
Alright, I think I found the right thread

Disclaimer: This is BC, Canada
Okay I've been doing carsharing so far and it's pretty great, but I've realized I'm paying 350-400 a month for it and will graduate from grad school soon and entering the job world, so getting my own car seems like a good idea. Given that I don't know yet if I'm moving away in a few year I don't really wanna buy a car and be stuck with a loan/have to worry about selling it, and I know close to nothing about used cars to be able to evaluate which are a good deal to keep for a short time and re-sell. So........ I'm looking into leasing one and need feedback. I've got no idea. There's some GREAT deals in BC at the moment (36 month leases with 0-1% APR and 0 down) so I think my timing isn't terrible.
Problem is, I have never had my own car. I learned how to drive on an older Mazda (which was great) and a BMW (which I obv can't afford), and carsharing I mostly drive a Nissan Sentra or Altima which I quite like in terms of driving-feel, but the interior look is a bit lacking. So I'm looking for advice/feedback from you guys! Throw everything you know/think you know/experienced at me, it'd be much appreciated.

some preliminary research I'm looking at the following(<25k CAD MRSP, with 36month leases <350/month after tax. Yes I know insurance will come on top of that :p) cars, sorted roughly by my current preference:

Mazda3
Ford Fiesta/Focus (Focus > Fiesta)
Kia Rio/Forte (Forte > Rio)
Chevy Cruze
Nissan Ventra Note/Sentra
VW Jetta/Golf
Honda Civic
Toyota Yaris/Corolla (Corolla > Yaris)
Hyundai Accent/Elantra/Sonata (Elantra > Sonata > Accent)
Subaru Impreza
Scion tC

Thanks!

There's supposedly a new generation of Civic coming in fall, so you could wait for that. But other than that the Mazda 3 is a great car too.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I do? I almost never leave the car in gear when I park, I just use the parking brake. None of my manual cars have neutral or clutch lockouts on the ignition though (and one time I did hit the ignition before the clutch, woops).

Same. I never used 1st or Reverse. I always thought it was silly.
 

Evo X

Member
The only time I leave my car in gear is when parking on extreme inclines.

Don't want to put undue stress on the handbrake or risk the car rolling away if it gives for any reason.
 

ascii42

Member
Mostly I've driven automatics, but I think I've usually left it in neutral when I driven stick. Not like there are particularly steep hills in Florida.
 

No Love

Banned
It was honestly nicer than I was expecting it to be. I guess that's a result of Merc moving it up and the CLA taking it's spot.

So between buying a new BMW and a new Mercedes, what would you go with?

Probably a BMW, but the depreciation on both is a huge turn-off. I think if I had to go with newish BMW and newish Mercedes and I was looking for something like you are (comfortable, big, powerful), maybe a CPO M5 or M6. Especially now that they can be tuned thanks to the ECU's being cracked.

Their interiors aren't Mercedes quality but they're still beautiful. I loved sitting in the M6, the seats were great. Gorgeous too.
 

mkenyon

Banned
Don't lose sight of 12 year old Smokey.

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Ty4on

Member
I do? I almost never leave the car in gear when I park, I just use the parking brake. None of my manual cars have neutral or clutch lockouts on the ignition though (and one time I did hit the ignition before the clutch, woops).

I've accidentally started a car in first. I was quite amazed when it managed to start the engine despite the extra load...

I always park with it in gear and only use the handbrake on slippery hills, but that is partly because I've been tough they can freeze.
 
The only time I leave my car in gear is when parking on extreme inclines.

Don't want to put undue stress on the handbrake or risk the car rolling away if it gives for any reason.

Same here. Though I will say once I left it in gear and like a moron I stalled because I forgot the next time I started it -_-
 

Smokey

Member
Don't lose sight of 12 year old Smokey.

eUijVS1.jpg

honestly the whole debacle over the z06 following it's release soured me on it. feel like chevy needs to fix some things with that.

Probably a BMW, but the depreciation on both is a huge turn-off. I think if I had to go with newish BMW and newish Mercedes and I was looking for something like you are (comfortable, big, powerful), maybe a CPO M5 or M6. Especially now that they can be tuned thanks to the ECU's being cracked.

Their interiors aren't Mercedes quality but they're still beautiful. I loved sitting in the M6, the seats were great. Gorgeous too.

Never really crossed my mind to go up to that size of car. Pretty much everything has been in the 3/4 series class, or SUV like the Macan. The interior of the Merc did leave a lasting impression though. Even my wife mentioned it again today.
 

No Love

Banned
honestly the whole debacle over the z06 following it's release soured me on it. feel like chevy needs to fix some things with that.



Never really crossed my mind to go up to that size of car. Pretty much everything has been in the 3/4 series class, or SUV like the Macan. The interior of the Merc did leave a lasting impression though. Even my wife mentioned it again today.

Have you taken a look at the Audi S7/RS7? I'm kinda in love with that car. The interior is rockin' too.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
outside of the RS5 that I test drove, haven't really been taking Audi all that seriously. Maybe it's because of all of the bashing Alpha has done against them I dunno lol

LMAO

It's true, though. As far as luxury goes, Audis are terrible. They have the worst dealership experience: sales and especially service departments. Also, reliability is laughably bad. They don't score poorly on JD Power rankings because some of their dealerships are trained to skirt certain kinds of dealer visits to avoid hurting reliability scores.

Fuck Audi. :)
 
I've accidentally started a car in first. I was quite amazed when it managed to start the engine despite the extra load...

I always park with it in gear and only use the handbrake on slippery hills, but that is partly because I've been tough they can freeze.

Freeze? No. Maybe rust up and seize, but unless you let the car sit for a few months they'll break loose as soon as you hit the gas. When you don't want to use the handbrake is right after using the brakes hard and frequently, like at an open track day, because the brakes will be so hot that they'll actually begin to weld in place.

And starter motors put out a ton of torque. I started a car with it in gear once too, and it actually dragged the rear wheels along with the handbrake engaged. If your clutch hydraulics fail you can still drive around, you just turn off the car at stop signs, put the car in first and then crank the starter to get rolling.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
When we were car shopping last year Audi's reliability definitely turned us off after researching it.

To this day, I can't believe how many 2.0T and 3.0T Audis have thermostat issues. And apparently it's a defect that stems back to 2009 VWs and Audis, so when it happened on my 2012 A6 3.0T that was the last straw for me.

Locked thermostats are a problem that belong on cars that came out 30 years ago. Something so important to the daily function of a car should not be a widespread issue.
 
To this day, I can't believe how many 2.0T and 3.0T Audis have thermostat issues. And apparently it's a defect that stems back to 2009 VWs and Audis, so when it happened on my 2012 A6 3.0T that was the last straw for me.

Locked thermostats are a problem that belong on cars that came out 30 years ago. Something so important to the daily function of a car should not be a widespread issue.

just a thermostat? isnt that a simple thing to replace? put in another brand.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
just a thermostat? isnt that a simple thing to replace? put in another brand.

Not when you're dealing with a brand new Audi. It was an $1100 fix, warrantied. Do you realize how cramped these engine bays are? You can't just drop in an aftermarket thermostat for a brand new model car. These cars are designed to be only worked on by Audi dealers or someone who is EXTREMELY familiar with Audis altogether. And finding a private European shop who is certified to work on new Audis is almost impossible in most markets.

It also happened when the car only had 11K miles on it. LOL. There were other issues. It's just that was the final straw for me.
 

Evo X

Member
Just as I was about to pull the trigger on that out of state GTS, my local Porsche SA called and told me hold off because he is pretty sure he can get me a GT4 this summer.

Porsche has listened to all the bitching and is increasing production for the US.

I will know for sure May 1st. Fingers crossed.

Now that spring is here, it's hard living without a sports car! Looks like I'm holding onto my motorcycle a bit longer.
 

Smokey

Member
Took a look at the perfect M6 scenario today:

2014 Certified Pre Owned
12,800 miles - warranty good until march 2019 or 75k miles
$90,000
12,800 miles
Fully loaded including Bang & Olufsen upgrade

Went and took a look at it in person. It literally looks like a brand new car. It's pretty hard to find CPO M cars at least around here. Brand new this configuration is about $140,000.

Some exec must've decided to move on to the next shiny object. Wanted so hard.
 

Smokey

Member
Man it is a gorgeous car. I kept saying what's wrong with it lol. He showed me the service records and everything was kept up to date. A certified M especially a 6 is a rare thing around here.
 
Yeah, it's so gorgeous, fast, and luxurious. Pretty much the Titan X of the automotive world. lol

I don't know if that's a fair comparison, it's not going to be replaced by something that outperforms it on every level at half the price within 6 months.

GPUs make me salty.
 

No Love

Banned
Took a look at the perfect M6 scenario today:

2014 Certified Pre Owned
12,800 miles - warranty good until march 2019 or 75k miles
$90,000
12,800 miles
Fully loaded including Bang & Olufsen upgrade

Went and took a look at it in person. It literally looks like a brand new car. It's pretty hard to find CPO M cars at least around here. Brand new this configuration is about $140,000.

Some exec must've decided to move on to the next shiny object. Wanted so hard.

Buy it Smokey. It is your destiny.

Man it is a gorgeous car. I kept saying what's wrong with it lol. He showed me the service records and everything was kept up to date. A certified M especially a 6 is a rare thing around here.

Gonna have to disagree. Silver + black interior is very plain. Can you get another exterior/interior color? The interiors on the M5/M6/M6 Gran Coupe really come alive with a dove, brown, or red interior.

And yes I know Audi sucks but the S7/RS7 is an awesome car. I usually hate on Audis but can't even hate on dat 7.
 

Smokey

Member
Gonna have to disagree. Silver + black interior is very plain. Can you get another exterior/interior color? The interiors on the M5/M6/M6 Gran Coupe really come alive with a dove, brown, or red interior.

And yes I know Audi sucks but the S7/RS7 is an awesome car. I usually hate on Audis but can't even hate on dat 7.

That's the only one around here that is CPO'd.
But they did have a few new Black M6 GC that had the red interior. Shit was lookin right.

Also I took note of what you said about the seats...were indeed comfy as fuck. The salesman was extra nice. Usually don't get to test drive M's when I've tried, but he brought around a new M6 since that used one was actually on the show floor. My first time test driving a M car and even though I couldn't push it all that much, it felt good. Real good. And dat power. Even though the M6 is a large car...it didn't feel as heavy as it looks.
 

No Love

Banned
That's the only one around here that is CPO'd.
But they did have a few new Black M6 GC that had the red interior. Shit was lookin right.

Also I took note of what you said about the seats...were indeed comfy as fuck. The salesman was extra nice. Usually don't get to test drive M's when I've tried, but he brought around a new M6 since that used one was actually on the show floor. My first time test driving a M car and even though I couldn't push it all that much, it felt good. Real good. And dat power. Even though the M6 is a large car...it didn't feel as heavy as it looks.

How about a CPO M5? The M5 is 200 lbs heavier but should be cheaper too. Should be lots of CPO ones available, more than M6's I'd think.
 

ascii42

Member
I had no idea the M6 could get that expensive O_O.

I'm not sure what it is about the 6-series Gran Coupe. My mind says I should think it's dumb, but I really like the thing.
 

Jackson

Member
I had no idea the M6 could get that expensive O_O.

I'm not sure what it is about the 6-series Gran Coupe. My mind says I should think it's dumb, but I really like the thing.

Ya. New M6's can go up to like $120k. They're pricey.

I loved the E63/64 M6. It looked really aggressive and baller.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
someone talk me out of buying this all blacked out M4 at my dealer. it's only $77k. i want it so bad.......

Sure:


BMW has long been a brand synonymous with driving performance and driving pleasure. Even today, when BMWs hardly live up to their 'ultimate driving machine' hook, the average person is still highly likely to recommend a BMW to someone looking for a genuinely thrilling daily driver. I should specify that these kinds of people usually know jack-all-shit about cars, and are likely the same kind of person who generally refer to all videogames as "Nintendo". This is a textbook case of how well marketing works on people, even though they are completely oblivious to it. BMW is so good at marketing its product that it can sell an uglier and slower SUV, that seats fewer, with less room, and more weight for a $7000 premium. But had BMW gone too far when they took the coveted 3-series and split it up for the sake of filling a numbered gap, thus creating the 4-series? Inevitably, we all knew we'd no longer be dealing with an M3 anymore&#8230;there would now be an M4, replacing the M3 Coupe. More importantly, with the demise of the 5-series as the ultimate luxury mid-sizer, and the 3-series losing its fanciful poise, aggression and agility, in favor of comfort and mild sporting credential, could the new M4 coupe possibly live up to the wailing hero that was the highly controversial, though much loved E92 M3 and its high-strung V8? I can't answer that. But I will break it down in detail.

The BMW M4 is a car I've been really looking forward to driving. I see them all over my town here in Central Florida and the urge simply gets stronger and stronger to jump into one. I finally got my chance and surprisingly I wasn't completely blown away. The car I drove had the Driver Assistance Package and Executive Package, in addition to the optional Harmon/Kardon audio and Adaptive Suspension. Oddly enough, the car ran on the base 18s, as opposed to the upgraded 19s that every single one I've seen prior is equipped with. The MSRP with these options was a whopping $76,000. Don't get hung up on that price, though, and I'll explain why later on.

By now you know that the M4 is powered by a twin-turbo Inline-6 that makes 425HP and 406lb-ft of torque. While this may not look like a considerable gain over the E92's V8, consider this: the new S55 motor that resides in the current M3 and M4 makes over 100lb-ft more torque than the V8 S65 motor, while horsepower increases by an otherwise unimpressive 11HP. With this also comes a huge sacrifice: redline and noise. Turbos suppress exhaust noise considerably, so gone is the racy and eager sound of the Ms before it, including the metallic tone of the E46's S54 I6. Likewise, where as revs of the former M-cars swole to 8000RPM (E46) and then surpassed it (E92), this all new F82 model rings out at a max of 7500RPM.

Now bear in mind, I'm not dogging the car for its decreased ability to spin, I'm simply pointing out a compromise BMW has made. Having said that, purely objectively, I do feel as if this motor isn't especially M-worthy. Or, at least, not M3/M4 worthy. It puts the power down with no hesitation as the turbos spool right up and whisk you away to triple-digit speeds with absolute ease. Gone are the days of the pitiful low-end power of the E92 M3, as it tried to lug its 3700lb ass around with a meager 295TQ. We have two-turbos now to make max torque at only 1850RPMs. On top of that, we've also shed weight - 150lbs worth of it. The dual clutch transmission has been further refined to be even smoother than before. Add all of that up and the BMW M4 is a better car in every way than the model it replaced. But why am I not blown away?


In the process of gaining torques, losing weight, becoming fuel efficient, and gaining twin-turbos, the M-car has also lost quite a bit of its soul. It's character, if you will. That visceral and connected feeling of the past M-cars is gone. The exhaust and engine roar is pumped in from the speakers of the car, at a nearly deafening level if you're opening the car up a little bit. Quite honestly, it felt like the car was louder in the cabin than it actually was outside. The sound emanating from the speakers became annoying no matter how quiet you set it. Granted, there are other cars that are obscenely loud, one such being the Jaguar F-Type V6S and V8R, but none of that sound is enhanced or piped in. It's just a visceral roar from a sweltering 5-liter 8-cylinder behemoth, and its 3.0 V6 little brother.

There were other things I didn't quite like about the car. Namely, its interior. It's no secret that BMW cheaped out on interior materials going from the E9x cars to the current iteration. Where as in the past the I-Drive screen was housed inside a cavernous hump covered with leather padding, the current BMWs have exposed screens with their plastic bezels in plain sight. The center console is a stack of plastic, all of which is ergonomically pleasing to use and look at, but relatively cheap to feel. The cupholders, now housed where they should be, unfortunately do not close. So you're always forced to look at two gaping plastic holes with plastic prongs. Call me a stickler, but if there's nothing in my cup-holder, I want it out of sight - I want to be able to conceal it with a sliding mechanism of some sort. And these little things make me feel like BMW cut corners. Also, the door cushions by the windows are some sort of plastic hybrid that feel like a grade below what older BMWs have had in the past.

Still, I will give BMW credit for fitting the car with a very clean wide-screen monitor, it makes using the navigation features that much clearer and easier. Furthermore, the seats are superb on the coupe, boasting beautiful bolsters that rise nearly all the way up the seat (not so much on the convertibles), superb comfort, solid rear legroom, and a meaty steering wheel, that despite being electric feels wonderfully in tune with the driver. The suspension is firm, but not bone crushing. It's certainly a softer and more compliant ride than the E92 M3, which was grueling over rougher roads in poorly maintained cities. Also, as if by some sort of tremendously powerful wizardry, the M4 is not equipped with runflats or some mediocre Bridgestones or some C-grade Pirellis. No, instead we are blessed with, what I firmly believe to be the best tire in the world: the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Yes, the same Super Sports that are used in so many high-end exotics today. The very same that Ferrari used to debut the Ferrari 458 Italia with, as they felt it was the only tire worthy of the car.


Moving on, brakes are 4-piston front, and 2-piston rear anchors. They're constantly kept dry and cooled to ensure stopping power is always consistent no matter what the conditions are outside. Brake feel was extremely positive and I wouldn't change a thing. Hitting the brakes on corner entry did make one thing clear to me, though&#8230;this car's suspension is softly dampened. It's balance overall is stellar, but the softer dampers give the car a slight lean which coupled with some mildly aggressive throttle inputs can definitely let the rear end hang out. I'd argue that the balance of the F82 M4 has swung more on the side of hooliganry, as opposed to the buttoned-up firmness of the E92. Perhaps the M-division has taken a page out of the AMG book? Don't get any of this twisted, though, because the M4 is still extremely capable and will no doubt outperform the old car on a track. The differences in handling between the two will be subtle to most daily drivers, but apparent to the few devoted out there.

I have to say that I do like the pull of the engine. It doesn't have a flat spot anywhere in its powerband. Peg it from a stop and it rips off the line like no M3 ever has before. Its brute force is second to only the current M6. Revving out the M4 felt easy; it was eager to hits its 7500RPM finish line, and then hand the baton over for the next gear to continue its proverbial relay race. Brilliant motor. But I still can't shake this feeling that it's not an M-motor. Fortunately, unlike the S63 motor, which is housed by the BMW M5, BMW M6, BMW M6 Gran Coupe, BMW X5M, and BMW X6M, it's highly unlikely we will see this S55 motor appear in anything but the M3 and M4. So it does have that major advantage going for it, helping to keep the motor feeling like a proper BMW Motorsport powerplant, if only because of its exclusivity.

By the numbers, the BMW M4 shines. It'll hit 118-120MPH through the 1/4 mile, doing the deed in a mere 12 seconds, though some persistent drivers have achieved very high 11s. So yes, the M4 is fast. Very fast. But is it worth the premium for those who currently own an E92 M3 Coupe? Especially a late model one that is 2011+? Well, that depends. Are you the kind of M3 owner who's always looking for the latest and greatest? If so, then yes, trade yours in get this car and I doubt you'll regret it. Are you looking forward to the repairs on your out of warranty E92 M3? I doubt you are, because there are issues with these cars, as they age, that cost thousands of dollars to repair. Now, having said that, if you can afford to foot the bill of repairs easily, but are looking for more power out of your E92 M3&#8230;I would encourage you to research supercharging your current car with the ESS kit. Again, that's assuming you can continue to maintain the car, because it will have random failures, such as the differential, idle air valve, and so forth, most of which will not be at the fault of the forced induction. I say this because the E92 M3 has aged so exceptionally well inside and out that you don't absolutely have to dump it for the current car. A moderately tuned ESS supercharger will give you all the thrills without having to incur a new auto loan. But this logic of mine only applies to existing E92 M3 owners. Otherwise, if you've got a BMW M3 E46, a Mercedes C63 AMG, an Audi S4 or RS4, you should probably upgrade because the BMW M4 is considerably better than all of those. I'm just hung up on justifying how much better it is than the car it replaces.


To close this off, early on I mentioned the pricing for this car. As is typical with BMW, they will keep one really important feature out of the standard equipment list and bundle it with a fuckload of other things you don't care about. That being a backup camera. But wait, you probably think "oh I'm sure it has backup sensors as standard! I can make do with those!" No. It doesn't. The backup camera and sensors cannot be equipped separately, and are part of the Executive Package, which costs $4000. This package adds : Heated Steering Wheel, Comfort Access Keyless Entry, Rear View Camera, Retractable Headlight Washers, Park Distance Control, Head-Up Display, and a 1 year satellite radio subscription. Let me be clear, that a heated steering wheel and comfort access keyfob have no value to me. Retractable headlight washers are the bane of my existence, pointlessly spewing washer fluid all over my freshly detailed hood and bumper. Fuck off. No thanks. Likewise, the head-up display I still find to be a gimmick and distracting. That leaves us with the worthless satellite radio subscription, which in the age of iPods, Pandora, Bluetooth audio, and Spotify is single-handedly the stupidest thing to highlight on a list of features that add up to $4,000. That's like giving someone the results of their STD test by starting it off with "Great news! You don't have syphilis, chlamydia, Hep-A, Hep-B, Hep-C, gonorrhea, or herpes. But you do have AIDS."

So what to do? Well, tell BMW to shove a stick up its ass. Considering that the car comes standard with essentials like the navigation, and a host of other toys, you don't have to equip this car with much. Order an M4 with your choice of transmission (the DCT is $2900 extra), leave the 18s on it (you can always get something else later), and add the Harmon/Kardon audio for a measly $895. Your MSRP with the dual clutch comes out to $69,000, with an invoice price of $64,380. And if your persistent enough, a deal $500 above invoice should be easily doable. At that cost, the BMW M4 is a good deal. But above the $70,000 mark, I would be very hard pressed to recommend it over its competition: the Mercedes-AMG C63 and the ATS-V. Both of which offer more power from larger displacement motors (the AMG being a V8), and are based on platforms that are better than that of the standard F30 3-series platform. I should also mention that, having been in a Mercedes-Benz C400, its interior is leagues ahead of the BMW's, so there's that too.

This may not be the words people want to rear, but my conclusion&#8230;wait for the new C63 and ATS-V if you're open to driving something without a blue and white roundel.

 

bcl0328

Member
mercedes and cadillac just remind me of old men. all i can see is grey haired guys in their 40s driving them. they just aren't sexy or aggressive looking to me.

i drive a 328 right now so all those points don't mean shit to me lol. everything about an M4 is better than mine.

also, some of your points aren't that big of a deal. i happen to like the pop out screen. the new C63 has the same thing. i also like the heated steering wheel, the HUD, and back up cameras. i like technology in my cars. i really don't see how the interior feels cheap though. i quite like the look and feel of it.

i've never driven a high performance car like the M4 so i can't really make a comparison.

i mean just look at it...

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so apparently my area has more bmws stance losers than vw stance losers.

i went out for a drive today and it being the first warm weekend of the year, everyone had their cars out for a sunday drive, and wow, so many bmws stance bros everywhere.

never see them during the week which is weird.
 

Smokey

Member
i drive a 328 right now so all those points don't mean shit to me lol. everything about an M4 is better than mine.

also, some of your points aren't that big of a deal. i happen to like the pop out screen. the new C63 has the same thing. i also like the heated steering wheel, the HUD, and back up cameras. i like technology in my cars. i really don't see how the interior feels cheap though. i quite like the look and feel of it.

i've never driven a high performance car like the M4 so i can't really make a comparison.

i mean just look at it...

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Kind of how I feel. I drive a 2008 335i. By default any of these cars are better than mine, so it's quite hard (in my head) to nitpick certain things.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
mercedes and cadillac just remind me of old men. all i can see is grey haired guys in their 40s driving them. they just aren't sexy or aggressive looking to me.

i drive a 328 right now so all those points don't mean shit to me lol. everything about an M4 is better than mine.

also, some of your points aren't that big of a deal. i happen to like the pop out screen. the new C63 has the same thing. i also like the heated steering wheel, the HUD, and back up cameras. i like technology in my cars. i really don't see how the interior feels cheap though. i quite like the look and feel of it.

i've never driven a high performance car like the M4 so i can't really make a comparison.

i mean just look at it...

SNgyZyj.jpg

The pop out screen is fine. It's not even that big of a deal. It's just entombed in plastic all around, where as the older BMWs weren't. The Benz's screen looks a bit more high-end and expensive, as well. It isn't. But the materials around it are nicer to look at than the cheap, flat black plastic of the BMW.

Also, nothing wrong with those options. What I'm saying is that it's wrong and infuriating to bundle a primary option such as a backup camera with useless ones such as the HUD, heated steering wheel, and XM Radio subscription. And then charge a ridiculous amount of money. On other BMWs a backup camera is a $450 option. All of their cars are pre-wired for them. So they are price-gouging you, just because it has an M-badge.

Lastly, since you've likely not been in the C-Class and are quick to write it off as a car for gray haired men, you can't really make a comparison to its interior and the BMW's. Simply put, the material quality is way higher than that of the BMW. And that's objective. From the center console to the doors, the Mercedes is in a different league. BMW has acknowledged as much and vows to improve the 3/4-series interior with the G-series redesign.

The M4 is a great car. Absolutely great. But in the context of others, it's got a number of apparent faults. It beats the pants out of the RS5 and RS-F, no question. But based on my experiences with the current C-Class, and having read a lot of impressions about the C63...the M4 may not be the ultimate sports car in its category.
 
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